Topic is localized fat loss, WHILE in a calorie deficit with intense training. No prayers involved.go with the one shown in many rct with athletes in deficit - showing effectiveness for what you pay for them. if there even one entry on that list, i be very surprised, LOL
most people on cut can do -1.5/2lbs per week - just go a week or two longer - FOR FREE, instead of $50 and a prayer
Topic is localized fat loss, WHILE in a calorie deficit with intense training. No prayers involved.
You will not get localized fat loss in stubborn areas via dieting & training alone.
Very good to know, I'll pick a couple bottles up when I get under 15%.They were never discontinued.
The writeups put out by Avant on their 3 topicals (lipoderm-y, lipoderm ultra and napalm) detail everything.sure you can, people do it all time. even better, not even have to train - google images>sudanese famine. only study i know on topical - from ucla medical; 1987 - greenway and bray in obese women. fat people respond well to things that don't work in athletes. please post topical studies in lean athletes who just have small "pooch" to loose - showing effective.
No, we don't sell, direct.Do you carry them yourself?
BTW, do you know of anyway to access the M&M and/or Avant forums?
The way back machine is kinda limited.
It'd be a shame if those forums are lost forever.
lol...b-aet is what you need-INVICTUS!!!I think that localized fat loss is one of those things that hasn't been scientifically proven to a degree that cannot be easily scrutinized BUT so many people have seen good results through the years with certain products - the Avant ones for example - that its really hard to dispute that they work. However, like Colin said, someone has to be fairly lean already to notice the difference. For example, if a guy is 15%+ body-fat, they don't need localized fat loss - they need to lose body-fat. Any localized fat loss could easily be overlooked or attributed to losing fat in general. However, for people lower in body-fat, the results would be much more noticeable. Years ago when I tried to stay very lean, I noticed a big difference with the Avant products myself.
I think another thing unfortunately that has happened over the years is that companies that don't/didn't put as much into their formulas or have as good of carrier mechanisms as Avant overhyped these types of products as miracle products which lead people that really shouldn't have been using them to begin with to try them and then report bad feedback if they didn't lose a miraculous amount of fat from the products. Basically, marketing companies saw the opportunity, capitalized on it, and left a bad taste with some people for an entire category of products.
I'll use myself for example. No excuses, I really let myself go over the last couple years and lost muscle and gained fat. I've been back at it and trying to get back to as close to where I was as life and my schedule will allow and right now for me, I wouldn't use a localized fat loss product because I need to get leaner before doing so but as soon as I hit 12%, I'm adding one in myself.
lol...I am biased....I suggest you try Invictus and compare for yourself.thebigt.. how is Invictus compared to Androshred? I tried Androshred awhile back because of your review and had very good results. I've been thinking about trying Invictus now.
Ya I am, cheftepesh1. I would love to take you up on the offer but I wouldn't comfortable taking a product without paying for it. I just jumped into a summer fitness contest at work and have been seriously looking to try Invictus but I have to wait till funds are available at the end of the month. Thanks for the offer though. I really appreciate it.Are you in US? If so I’ll send one for you to try
that is pretty stand-up, props....if you liked androshred i'm pretty confident you will also like Invictus, both are effective products!!!Ya I am, cheftepesh1. I would love to take you up on the offer but I wouldn't comfortable taking a product without paying for it. I just jumped into a summer fitness contest at work and have been seriously looking to try Invictus but I have to wait till funds are available at the end of the month. Thanks for the offer though. I really appreciate it.
Do you mean mixing y powder into aspercreme as diy topical?Used invictus on a pretty strict cut and was satisfied. I’d have to go with evomuse Absolutely Abliterated as my favorite though. Ran 1.5 bottles and really enjoyed it.
If you’re on a budget aspercreme + hydrocortisone + bulk yohimbine powder works nice to. This is what I typically used during my water fasts
I have a couple of vials of Helios, basically a liquid injectable form of y and clen that i could try mixing in with aspercreme. Worth a shot as I’m never going to use it as an injectable again, it was brutal.Yep, actually still doing this now even though I’m not cutting anymore
Plenty of people mix Clen with aspercreme. This will work fine!I have a couple of vials of Helios, basically a liquid injectable form of y and clen that i could try mixing in with aspercreme. Worth a shot as I’m never going to use it as an injectable again, it was brutal.