I currently cannot find one single store in Europe that has CEL Super Swole or MPA Celluvol in stock (these were my go tos), so I need alternatives. Thank you
CEL super swole is being reworked on and has been couple delays due to the virusI currently cannot find one single store in Europe that has CEL Super Swole or MPA Celluvol in stock (these were my go tos), so I need alternatives. Thank you
We have been working on reformulating Super Swole for awhile now. The original formula contained GlycerPump which I like, but that led to some clumping and complaints from retailers as customers that didn't understand that GlycerPump just unfortunately is prone to clumping so we reworked the formula. We thought we would have had it out earlier in the year - we had flavor samples finalized and then we ran into major delays with the cm we were using at the time bc industry lead times have gotten awful on flavored powders. We are now working on flavor samples with a different cm and hope to have it available soon. It contains VASO6 which makes it hard to flavor; we had considered changing it out for Nitrosigine to make it easier to flavor and taste better and get it back out faster.I currently cannot find one single store in Europe that has CEL Super Swole or MPA Celluvol in stock (these were my go tos), so I need alternatives. Thank you
Disagree .. all those do make a difference without stims.Well, what's in a pre-workout? A few amino acids: citrulline, arginine... maybe some tyrosine, taurine or agmatine. Are these going to make a big difference? Nah. Then some other stuff like beta-alanine or choline. The beta-alanine might help but then you have the itching. Save your money. The stimulants are primary what made pre-workouts popular to begin with.
I’m hypersensitive to stimulants so I just can’t have themThe stimulants are primary what made pre-workouts popular to begin with.
search any of the ingredient that you mentioned .. im sure you will find numerous studies on itSource?
The definition of a pre-workout can be different to different people.Well, what's in a pre-workout? A few amino acids: citrulline, arginine... maybe some tyrosine, taurine or agmatine. Are these going to make a big difference? Nah. Then some other stuff like beta-alanine or choline. The beta-alanine might help but then you have the itching. Save your money. The stimulants are primary what made pre-workouts popular to begin with.
Well, what's in a pre-workout? A few amino acids: citrulline, arginine... maybe some tyrosine, taurine or agmatine. Are these going to make a big difference? Nah. Then some other stuff like beta-alanine or choline. The beta-alanine might help but then you have the itching. Save your money. The stimulants are primary what made pre-workouts popular to begin with.
The definition of a pre-workout can be different to different people.
- For many people, its something to help with pumps, performance, endurance, and recovery between sets.
- For some, its all of those benefits + energy (and then some want a lot of energy whereas others only want a little).
- For others, its all of those benefits + an emphasis on mental focus, clarity, and concentration.
There are a lot of people that can't tolerate stims, don't want stims, or train later on at night that stimulant free pre-workouts are a great option for.
For me personally, my pre-workout usually consists of a combination of Focus XT, VasoForce XT, &/or VasoForce Rush.
- Training later at night - Focus XT Caffeine Free + VasoForce XT
- Need a lot of energy - VasoForce Rush
- Need a lot of energy but more focus - Focus XT Stim Version and lower dose of VasoForce Rush or VasoForce Rush + Focus XT Caffeine Free
The reason that I normally use Focus XT as part of my pre-workout regimen is that I have a hard time focusing on my workouts and getting my mind off of the stresses of day to day life. So for me, Focus XT is a very important part of my pre-workout regimen bc it helps me do that.
You mentioned that stimulants are primarily what made pre-workouts popular to begin with - the stimulant pre-workouts might get the most talk, but there is a huge market of stimulant free pre-workouts and originally when pre-workouts first came out, almost all of them were stimulant free. I remember when NO Xplode came out, a lot of people were actually against the idea of stims in a pre-workout. Oh how times have changed haha.
Thank you. I wasn't aware of any of that because I stay away from the Covid and political threads on here.I wouldn't bother spending your time with this guy- he is nothing more than a negative Nancy troll..............He admitted he took pictures of dead people lined up in the hospital he worked in.......
I have a serious question for you. I don't know you and haven't been in the Covid thread so I don't pass any judgement on you for anything that may or may not have been mentioned in there. My question is entirely related to this thread.These studies aren't showing results it's just what it chemically does in the body. Is there anything in the scientific literature showing that citrulline, agmatine, arginine or tyrosine actually adds lean muscle tissue to your frame, subtracts fat from your frame or enhances athletic performance in any way? i.e. they studied 100+ people, half who got it and half who didn't, and one ones that got it saw measurable gains?
I'm aware of some mild endurance enhancement benefits for beta-alanine, but you can get that cheaper as a standalone and many people don't like the itch.
The subject of this thread wasn't to debate whether or not a specific supplement or type of supplement worked. It was someone asking for opinions and suggestions for a certain type of supplement.If you don't think a specific supplement works, are you to keep that to yourself? Creatine works, zinc I believe is helpful, protein powder helps, but citrulline and arginine is being sold in very expensive packages and I don't believe it's ever been shown to give measurable gains. The energy and good feeling from the stimulants has been the biggest draw to pre workout powders.
I would argue what is the purpose of these temporary pumps? I know I certainly look bigger while working out in the gym but what else is it doing for you? And can you measure it?
the fact is you came in this thread and pretty much told people that preworkouts don't work- tell you what- go buy a tub of Daft Pump- then go workout and report your results- I can bet you that you'll see and feel noticeable results compared to not taking that product before working out- You did not believe anything anyone posted (threads, articles, scientific data, personal results, etc.) in the other thread about Ivermectin being effective against Covid or about it being safe. The only thing you believed was what the CDC and big Pharma recommends. You disagreed with everyone in that thread no matter the facts that were presented to you. Hey that's your choice. But quit being lazy asking people to post studies of measurable results. Do some research and quit trolling on AM.@sns8778 c'mon, there's nothing negative about saying a particular supplement has never been shown to give measurable gains in people... it's just stating the facts. If someone wants to think that's trolling or putting people down then you have a warped view of what that is.
And you keep asking why I make the posts that I did on this topic. Well, I personally feel I've wasted hundreds of dollars on pre-workouts that probably didn't do anything for me in the end. And I like to help other people. There's not much more to say so I won't be responding on this thread again.
If you're saying that supplements like L-Citrulline, Citrulline Malate, Agmatine, Taurine, Tyrosine, etc. have never been shown in studies to have any body-composition or athletic performance benefits, that isn't stating facts - it's giving inaccurate information; because there are a number of studies on all of them showing that they do have positive athletic performance benefits and body-composition benefits. But that's not even what most people are using them for in pre-workouts to begin with.@sns8778 c'mon, there's nothing negative about saying a particular supplement has never been shown to give measurable gains in people... it's just stating the facts. If someone wants to think that's trolling or putting people down then you have a warped view of what that is.
And you keep asking why I make the posts that I did on this topic. Well, I personally feel I've wasted hundreds of dollars on pre-workouts that probably didn't do anything for me in the end. And I like to help other people. There's not much more to say so I won't be responding on this thread again.
I avoid all political and Covid threads because of the negativity and drama. If he said that in those thread, I understand how the tone of the posts would carry over to the way he is coming off in this thread. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe the negativity from those threads just affected his mood or posting style.the fact is you came in this thread and pretty much told people that preworkouts don't work- tell you what- go buy a tub of Daft Pump- then go workout and report your results- I can bet you that you'll see and feel noticeable results compared to not taking that product before working out- You did not believe anything anyone posted (threads, articles, scientific data, personal results, etc.) in the other thread about Ivermectin being effective against Covid or about it being safe. The only thing you believed was what the CDC and big Pharma recommends. You disagreed with everyone in that thread no matter the facts that were presented to you. Hey that's your choice. But quit being lazy asking people to post studies of measurable results. Do some research and quit trolling on AM.
couldn’t agree moreIf anything, it’s the non-stim pump products, aka Vaso-dilators, that have hypertrophic benefits….Not caffeine, etc. that are Vaso-constrictors, and will eventually eat into sleep/recovery if abused.
i dont think no1 here takes pre workouts and sits on their a$s and expects that magic lean muscle pillThese studies aren't showing results it's just what it chemically does in the body. Is there anything in the scientific literature showing that citrulline, agmatine, arginine or tyrosine actually adds lean muscle tissue to your frame, subtracts fat from your frame or enhances athletic performance in any way? i.e. they studied 100+ people, half who got it and half who didn't, and one ones that got it saw measurable gains?
I'm aware of some mild endurance enhancement benefits for beta-alanine, but you can get that cheaper as a standalone and many people don't like the itch.
but does it increase lean muscle tissue while i sit on my couch and watch tv and drink pizza and soda ?just a handful of studies on citruline and improved performance
Citrulline Malate Enhances Athletic Anaerobic Performance... : The Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research
barbell bench presses as an anaerobic exercise and in terms of decreasing muscle soreness after exercise. Forty-one men performed 2 consecutive pectoral training session protocols (16 sets). The study was performed as a randomized, double-blind, 2-period crossover design. Eight grams of CM was...journals.lww.com
l-Citrulline supplementation improves O2 uptake kinetics and high-intensity exercise performance in humans | Journal of Applied Physiology
The purpose of this study was to compare the effects of l-citrulline (Cit) and l-arginine (Arg) supplementation on nitric oxide (NO) biomarkers, pulmonary O2 uptake (V̇o2) kinetics, and exercise performance. In a randomized, placebo (Pla)-controlled, crossover study, 10 healthy adult men...journals.physiology.org
Influence of l-citrulline and watermelon supplementation on vascu...: Ingenta Connect
www.ingentaconnect.com
Effects of Citrulline Supplementation on Exercise... : The Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research
potential to augment L-arginine bioavailability, nitric oxide production, and exercise performance. Over the past decade, L-citrulline has received considerable scientific attention examining potentially ergogenic properties for both aerobic and anaerobic exercise performance. Thus, the purpose...journals.lww.com
Effects of Citrulline Supplementation on Fatigue and Exercise Performance in Mice
J-STAGEwww.jstage.jst.go.jp
One Week of L-Citrulline Supplementation Improves... : The Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research
orted ability to stimulate nitric oxide production. Although previous research has demonstrated that CIT supplementation over a period of days improves physiological factors such as V̇o2 kinetics, no studies to date have explored whether there is a direct benefit to endurance performance. This...journals.lww.com
As long as it’s diet root beerbut does it increase lean muscle tissue while i sit on my couch and watch tv and drink pizza and soda ?
Where you guys buy Daft pump at?
I believe that its direct sales for right now but he plans on having it available at some retailers soon from what he said in some of his posts.Where you guys buy Daft pump at?
Well, what's in a pre-workout? A few amino acids: citrulline, arginine... maybe some tyrosine, taurine or agmatine. Are these going to make a big difference? Nah. Then some other stuff like beta-alanine or choline. The beta-alanine might help but then you have the itching. Save your money. The stimulants are primary what made pre-workouts popular to begin with.
Very good reason right there. I'm not hypersensitive but can't have them when I workout because it's so late (after work and getting the kids to bed) and stimulants would cause more sleep issues than I already have. It being late, and being so tired from a long day at work and evening playing with the kids, a stim-free workout helps give that extra motivation and focus needed to workout.I’m hypersensitive to stimulants so I just can’t have them
i dont think no1 here takes pre workouts and sits on their a$s and expects that magic lean muscle pill
i dont like BA as well , well i cant handle it but it has great benefits and i support co who had it just not the supplement for me
mrhankey wanted help and we are trying to help him in this thread and all your doing is bashing supplments ..honestly i dont know why you are on the forum , if you dont read studies or believe in citrulline/agmatine to work pre workout then you need to stay out of natural threads
not hating i just think its wrong to say "those ingridents dont work" .. its okay as i stated earlier "no magic lean muscle pill/power" if you are one of those person that looks for those type of product where you dont have to workout, which is fine but dont bash others who wants to take products to help with working out.
Hahaha! The longer you look at this the funnier it gets!
That's all social media is anymore, arguing over stupid stuff. All political and everyone is right based on which side they follow. Just sitting around waiting to argue over opinion.This seems to be a popular pastime on all social media platforms. All one has to do is read any IG post or YT comments to find people who are 100% negative about the subject or person at hand. I will never understand why people waste time commenting on something they clearly hate.
For example, I think designer handbags are very stupid and a complete waste of money. You know what I DON"T do: Waste my precious short time on earth posting negative comments in Gucci IG-themed posts lol. I think people who only have constant negative posts, hiding behind the old "I am entitled to my opinion" argument are simply sad sad individuals who must be very unhappy. Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion..............they are also entitled to keep it to themselves.
As to the lack of studies, there are ZERO studies demonstrating that the polypharmacy practiced by bodybuilders is effective and we clearly know it works. Working in a hospital thanosnap will know that many patients are on 10+ medications at a time and while these meds have all been extensively studied they have almost NEVER been studied is such massive combinations.....................
There is something to be said about just enjoying the acute effects of these products as well. I don't gain anything from a concert or movie but if I enjoy them it's worth it. I do know these products(properly dosed and designed) work but even if they were only acute temp. effects they still have value to certain people.
I really like that ingredient panel. The creatine, Peak O2 and BA are ingredients that build up in your system, so should be taken every day (not sure about PA, HICA and HMB). The $80 price tag is kind of tough to swallow though, imo. Like A Pro Peak & Power has a similar label (though it lacks PA, HMB and HICA in favor of tart cherry and tyrosine) for around $60 before discounts.View attachment 211754View attachment 211755
I've been doing this for about 2 weeks now. it's definitely the strongest non-stim pwo I've ever had. it's really expensive, but if you look at the HICA dose it's 1.5g just like the soccer study. any other HICA supplement is dosed much lower and isn't cheap (that I know of). code save20 probably still works
ya I mostly got it for the hica. really hard to find hica without bcaa. hica-c came down in price a bit, but you gotta take 3 pills to get 1.5g. they recommend taking 1 pill 3 times a day. hopefully they keep making it cuz Amazon doesn't have it right now.I really like that ingredient panel. The creatine, Peak O2 and BA are ingredients that build up in your system, so should be taken every day (not sure about PA, HICA and HMB). The $80 price tag is kind of tough to swallow though, imo. Like A Pro Peak & Power has a similar label (though it lacks PA, HMB and HICA in favor of tart cherry and tyrosine) for around $60 before discounts.
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I've been doing this for about 2 weeks now. it's definitely the strongest non-stim pwo I've ever had. it's really expensive, but if you look at the HICA dose it's 1.5g just like the soccer study. any other HICA supplement is dosed much lower and isn't cheap (that I know of). code save20 probably still works
Amazon has started the some new requirements of supplement companies and its taking awhile for Amazon and the brands to figure things out and get Amazon what they want. It's nothing bad on the brand at all if they can't get the documentation right away because what Amazon wants is a little different than what the FDA wants. So that product, or any others you like on Amazon, may come down for a couple weeks before being back up and available.ya I mostly got it for the hica. really hard to find hica without bcaa. hica-c came down in price a bit, but you gotta take 3 pills to get 1.5g. they recommend taking 1 pill 3 times a day. hopefully they keep making it cuz Amazon doesn't have it right now.
Regarding HICA, I found a source which also incorporates Peak O2 and elevATP. Jacked Factory Pro-Series Build only has 1/2 the HICA as Vigor8, but it has twice the servings and I was able to find it for under $30. Interestingly, JFPS Build has the same ingredients, in the same amounts as Transparent Lab's product which I think is also called Build. Most of the other ingredients in Vigor8 I can compile from a number of different sources and the savings in cost per serving make the inconvenience worth it.ya I mostly got it for the hica. really hard to find hica without bcaa. hica-c came down in price a bit, but you gotta take 3 pills to get 1.5g. they recommend taking 1 pill 3 times a day. hopefully they keep making it cuz Amazon doesn't have it right now.
Yes, Blackmarket Adrenolyn = it's excellent. I'm ordering more on sale at DPS, going to try their "stim free pump" nitric oxide when I don't want to be bathed in caffeine like I normally am.Very good reason right there. I'm not hypersensitive but can't have them when I workout because it's so late (after work and getting the kids to bed) and stimulants would cause more sleep issues than I already have. It being late, and being so tired from a long day at work and evening playing with the kids, a stim-free workout helps give that extra motivation and focus needed to workout.
Has anyone tried Blackmarket Labs AdreNOlyn Nitric Oxide? I don't know anything about the company but the formula looks pretty good.
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