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best steroid for strength

WHICH STEROID GAVE YOU BEST QUALITY STRENGTH GAINS?

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And no i don't have joint problems, and when doing my proposed cycle i'd up my joint supps even more. As it is i pop 10 350mg Celadrins daily, i'd probably at Cissus to the mix.
 
CHAPS said:
Dr D:I don't have access to mibolerone so i stick with the halotestin but i'll use it at the end similar to what you did.

Anyone ever use methyltest on here?
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Methyltest, ohhhhh yeah. Done lots of it as a kid. It's very androgenic so skin problems can occur. It's a good hardener and does promote serious aggression and strength, plus no estrogenic effects at all at 25mg/d or less, but it shuts you down very fast. As fast as M1T. Halo is way more shut down friendly.
 
Dr D you and i sound very alike with our choices of steroids, i pretty much wanna give em all a shot, minus methyl-tren, lol. So do you just like the strength and aggression or are you a fighter or competitive strength athlete?
 
CHAPS said:
Dr D you and i sound very alike with our choices of steroids, i pretty much wanna give em all a shot, minus methyl-tren, lol. So do you just like the strength and aggression or are you a fighter or competitive strength athlete?
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As a teen, I just wanted to get big (dbol/test or anadrol/test cycles) but now that I'm an "old man", I just want quality gains. That was the idea behind Superdrol. It's clean like Var or Winni, but very anabolic like Tren or 1-Test. I want the strength gains now more than size, but no, I don't fight or play many sports these days. I have kids that take most of my time. :)
 
Ya i'd really like to run Var sometime but i think i may buy it in powder form and cap it myself.
 
CHAPS said:
Ya i'd really like to run Var sometime but i think i may buy it in powder form and cap it myself.
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You'd almost have to cap it yourself, unless you're rich. Pills are just too expensive. I'm not real impressed with it, but at fat doses I may have gotten more from it.
 
Have you had any luck with Masteron for strength? I've heard that 700mg/week is good, or maybe a Test/Tren/Mast stack could be good. Have you ever seen author L. Rea's proposed strength cycle for a competitive powerlifter? Have a look it looks awesome:





By: Author Rea



Hello, Mr. Rea. I am competing at a power lifting event in a few months and wanted to know what AAS work best for strength increases? The event is untested and I can gain all the weight I want. I have over 4 months to get ready.



I often relate to readers the absolute necessity for protocols being designed for a "specific intent" rather than the "everything including the kitchen sink" approach. Often I review past protocols that have been employed by athletes and find a countless number of so-called stacks that actually have counter-productive chemistry included in their structure. When the goal is to induce a significant response of some type, it seems idiocy at best to include drugs, supplements or training that act to mitigate the effects of any positive part of the protocol. Of course a progressive approach to a power cycle is no exception.

Know The Goal

The average training approach for a power meet is commonly done in a progressive weight/descending rep manner. I realize that it sounds rather simplistic to say, but we first have to decide the goals of a protocol if we are to correctly choose specific chemistry that best facilitates its requirements best. The goal here is: 1. An increase in muscle mass to better carry the upcoming increase in maximum weight-load 2. Followed by a period of teaching new tissue to contract at a maximum rate (and teach old tissue to work with the new) 3. And a final period of maximizing neurological stimulus between the brain and the target muscle groups for best muscle fiber pattern recruitment.

In this case we realize that an athlete would likely use a 12 week training plan divided into 4 week intervals with a Lean Tissue Growth Phase, Fiber Recruitment Phase and Maximum Neural Stimulation Phase. As we have discussed many time before (like in the prior question as well), the body employs Action/Reaction Factors to maintain homeostasis. In that lies the best way to construct our chemistry specific protocol to compliment our training requirements and goal.

Plan For Power Example 1 - Lean Tissue Growth Phase

1. Oxandrolone 50mg/Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg
2. Oxandrolone 50mg
3. Oxandrolone 50mg
4. Oxandrolone 50mg
5. Oxandrolone 25mg/Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg
6. Oxandrolone 25mg
7. Oxandrolone 25mg
8. Oxandrolone 25mg
9. Oxandrolone 12.5mg/Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg
10. Oxandrolone 12.5mg
11.
12. Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg
13.
14.
15.
16. Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg
17.
18.
19.
20. Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg
21.
22.
23.
24. Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg
25.
26.
27.
28. Boldenone Udecyclenate 200mg/Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg

* Administration dosages are based upon a bodyweight of 200-220 lbs

Lean Tissue Growth Phase

Oxandrolone, nandrolone and boldenone are all highly anabolic/low-moderate androgenic AAS with the latter two possessing only low to moderate aromatization potential. This allows for a high rate of protein synthesis and "lean mass" accumulation with only moderate neuronet stimulation. Since this period of training is predominantly structured from a 12-15 rep protocol, the need for a higher degree of protein synthesis is mandatory. As we have discussed prior, the body has many intricate Action/Reaction Factors to consider: By increasing the amount of lean tissue an athlete carries we are better able to increase total weight and work-load capacities needed for the next phase.

By limiting the degree of estrogenic activity the accumulation of excess fat is hindered thus providing a better nutrient partitioning focus upon lean tissue and fewer issues in relation to blood pressure and edema at this time. For the most part the body easily deals with brief elevations in blood pressure rather well.

But by no means is 12 weeks a brief period of time. Remembering that the body has time frames for Action/Reaction Factors for most physiological events, it would be unwise to stimulate the neuronet as of yet to any real degree as the result is a sluggish CNS (central nervous system) by the time the meet day arrives 12 weeks later. Ever wonder why your max goes down when you attempt it weekly?

Plan For Power Example 1 - Fiber Recruitment Phase

29. Methandrostenolone 40mg
30. Methandrostenolone 40mg
31. Methandrostenolone 40mg
32. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Boldenone Undecyclenate 200mg Methandrostenolone 40mg
33. Methandrostenolone 40mg
34. Methandrostenolone 40mg
35. Methandrostenolone 40mg
36. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Boldenone Undecyclenate 200mg Methandrostenolone 40mg
37. Methandrostenolone 40mg
38. Methandrostenolone 40mg
39. Methandrostenolone 40mg
40. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Boldenone Undecyclenate 200mg Methandrostenolone 40mg
41. Methandrostenolone 40mg
42. Methandrostenolone 40mg
43. Methandrostenolone 40mg
44. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Boldenone Undecyclenate 200mg Methandrostenolone 40mg
45. Methandrostenolone 40mg
46. Methandrostenolone 40mg
47. Methandrostenolone 40mg
48. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Boldenone Undecyclenate 200mg Methandrostenolone 40mg
49. Methandrostenolone 40mg
50. Methandrostenolone 40mg
51. Methandrostenolone 40mg
52. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Boldenone Undecyclenate 200mg Methandrostenolone 40mg
53. Methandrostenolone 40mg
54. Methandrostenolone 40mg
55. Methandrostenolone 40mg
56. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Boldenone Undecyclenate 200mg Methandrostenolone 40mg

* Administration dosages are based upon a bodyweight of 200-220 lbs

Fiber Recruitment Phase

During the Fiber Recruitment Phase, synergistic chemistry that significantly increases total body mass, fosters an improved weight bearing foundation and continues to support an increased rate of protein synthesis is needed. The reason is due to an increase in weight-load and decrease in the number of reps performed weekly during each successive work-outs. The body's reaction to this is triggering an increase in the number of muscle fibers recruited with each rep. The use of a testosterone allows for an increase in androgenic activity resulting in better neuronet stimulation and an improvement in muscle fiber recruitment numbers and patterns.

Since testosterone aromatizes an up-regulation in the body's water table is realized. This means that muscle tissue is fuller and firmer allowing for a better foundation to leverage weight with and from. It's like the difference between building a house on sand or rock. The latter will support a much greater weight-load. Methandrostenolone is highly androgenic and quite anabolic thus having respectable synergistic value with testosterone. In fact there have probably been more power athletes build with these two AAS than any other 3 stacks combined. However, monitoring of blood pressure during use of this combination is paramount as both tend to draw a great deal of water into the vascular system.

Most larger athletes (240 lbs or better), have above average blood pressure readings. In most cases this is due to a larger heart is required to supply blood to a larger body. The administration of 20mg of Lasix nightly is commonly employed by chemically enhanced athletes when blood pressure is over 160/100...though this is certainly not a recommendation. The addition of boldenone? To aid in maintaining the elevated state of anabolism as there is still a great deal of tissue growth occurring.

Plan For Power Example 1 - Maximum Neural Stimulation Phase

57. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
58. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
59. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
60. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Trenbolone Acetate/75mg Fluoxymesterone 20mg
61. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
62. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
63. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
64. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
65. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
66. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
67. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
68. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Trenbolone Acetate/75mg Fluoxymesterone 20mg
69. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
70. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
71. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
72. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
73. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
74. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
75. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
76. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
77. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
78. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
79. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
80. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
81. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
82. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg
83. Fluoxymesterone 20mg
84. Testosterone Enanthate 300mg/Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/Fluoxymesterone 20mg (Meet Day)

* Administration dosages are based upon a bodyweight of 200-220 lbs
* Optional: Day 74-83 Humulin-R 10iu 2xd with creatine monohydrate 10g & BCAA 10g
 
DR.D said:
You'd almost have to cap it yourself, unless you're rich. Pills are just too expensive. I'm not real impressed with it, but at fat doses I may have gotten more from it.
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Unless you find a cheap source for an oral liquid. :D
 
CHAPS said:
Idunk you lucky bastard!
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Yes and No. He's actually out of the biz now, and I never stocked up. I only got one bottle left, but thats only gonna be good for about one cycle. Hopefully he gets back at it. :D
 
Well you could do it yourself if you have access to powder you could use Peg 300 i believe.
 
Yeah, I was thinking about it, but even the powder for it is expensive, not to mention a pain in the ass!!
 
When I get my own place i wanna home brew just about everything, especially Tren, i'm going to be the biggest Tren whore i swear.
 
CHAPS said:
Have you had any luck with Masteron for strength? I've heard that 700mg/week is good, or maybe a Test/Tren/Mast stack could be good. Have you ever seen author L. Rea's proposed strength cycle for a competitive powerlifter?
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Yeah, that looks about right. I like Masteron for strength. That dose is good if you're running about the same amount of test. You run a strength cycle backwards like ALR points out (anabolics first and androgens last) just the opposite of a regular size cycle. ALR has been doing this for awhile, so I'm sure this cycle works if he's suggesting it. I've never stacked TA/TE/Halo before but TE/Halo is a great combo for the neural phase alright. My wife hated that stack! She said it made me too mean. :o
 
LOL. I think i may just try superdrol down the road the strength gains my buddies have made on it are just insane to say the least.
 
At 4 weeks, at typical dosages (20mg SD daily) and (75mg Tren. Ace. EOD), which produces more strength gains?
 
Can't comment on the superdrol but tren at 75mg eod has enabled me to hit personal bests while dieting! Potent stuff.
 
tren easily. beats suspension even at moderate doses
 
I got it from bodybuilding.com he hasn't written any new stuff in a while now probably because he's sooooooo busy running ALRI and developing new products. And no he didn't make up any more strength stacks.
 
CHAPS said:
Ya i've heard good things about Tren suspension as well.
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Anything strongly androgenic will offer the same advantages really (test, mibolerone, halotestin, etc..)
 
Has anyone tried those knock offs sold online? Dianobol, equipoison, Anavar.

if so are they anywhere close to the real thing?

are they safe to purshase online?

let me know please.
 
could the moderator contact me please?

i have a question but it won't let me send a private message to a moderator for some reason. feel free to delete this post once you contact me, as long as i can respond to you. thanks and sorry!
 
After reading through this thread and watching Mariusz Pudzianowski, I decided I needed to start up some Tren A. Thanks a lot guys.

God created the earth in 7 days while on TREN. Its the god of all steroids. I do like M1T though, and after reading about cheque drops and Halo, I'm going to be ordering them in a few days.

What a great thread, started me on a tren cycle and got me to order the most potent orals there are.
 
2RIIPPED said:
After reading through this thread and watching Mariusz Pudzianowski, I decided I needed to start up some Tren A. Thanks a lot guys.

God created the earth in 7 days while on TREN. Its the god of all steroids. I do like M1T though, and after reading about cheque drops and Halo, I'm going to be ordering them in a few days.

What a great thread, started me on a tren cycle and got me to order the most potent orals there are.
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tren ace is the bomb.:head:
 
2RIIPPED said:
After reading through this thread and watching Mariusz Pudzianowski, I decided I needed to start up some Tren A. Thanks a lot guys.

God created the earth in 7 days while on TREN. Its the god of all steroids. I do like M1T though, and after reading about cheque drops and Halo, I'm going to be ordering them in a few days.

What a great thread, started me on a tren cycle and got me to order the most potent orals there are.
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what are you thinking?
 
wut do you think would be the best chose for a first timer in getting started. i never really used much more than creatine and was wanting some help. I'm about 6'0 and 170lbs and looking to gain strengh and muscle.
 
moejoe007 said:
wut do you think would be the best chose for a first timer in getting started. i never really used much more than creatine and was wanting some help. I'm about 6'0 and 170lbs and looking to gain strengh and muscle.
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let the flaming begin:toofunny:


you must be new because to ask a question like that is, how may I say, DUH! or as Homer Simpson might say, DOH!

stick to lots of food and protein, and yes, lifting weights.

Otherwise::gotsearch
 
randall82 said:
It just sucks that a guy would put up a half naked picture of him self in a forum of mostly males...gotta make ya wonder?:think:
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Whats sad is out of everything that is on this page, this is the one thing you comment on. I guess anyone who goes to a bodybuilding competition to watch other guys strut around in a thong is gay as well. You sound like a homophob and most homophobes are guys who are closet homosexuals. Now THATs "gotta make ya wonder".
 
i got some leftover sust. and m1t left over could u by any chance stack those??
sus. 1 cc week
mlt 2/day?
 
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