Best Prohormone for strength

the "tren" pro hormones being referred to in this thread are now banned. They were direct precursors to dienolone.

and so, meat was correct in recomending "trenazone" as a legal replacement for tren products, as it is what they all converted to. (dienolone) with no conversion needed.

sd is king in gains for legal compounds sold as pro hormones.
 
Outstanding said:
You feel weak on Clenbuterol? I know there are some jitters and even a shortness of breath on it, but I always felt more intense and capable while on it.
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That was more of a one workout deal as I got very little sleep the night before (1st day on clen was Thursday, first workout was Friday). Last night I was just fine and strength was up.
 
oufinny said:
That was more of a one workout deal as I got very little sleep the night before (1st day on clen was Thursday, first workout was Friday). Last night I was just fine and strength was up.
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I know Ketotifen makes me so sleepy... and hungry.
 
hey guys i am going to take halotest 25 for 4 weeks with a pct at th end.

50/75/75/100 and how do you guys think i should separate the doses when i get to 75mg a day and is competitive edge labs the real deal?
 
d-plex stacked with stano-drol will give strength and aggression. Easy pct follow up. If you want stronger go with epi and stano for strength and minimal bulk , but will need serm for pct.
 
trenazone>sd easily
atleast for me
 
Original Epi from IBE actually gave me some insane strength gains... felt great, no sides to speak of at all... dunno bout the new stuff n all the clones, guys seem to be dosing it WWWAAAYYY higher with less or equivalent results then what i had ramping up to 30mg...

Dbol was fairly strong in that department as well but bloated me even with an AI, no thanks.

anadrol... eh.... wasnt that impressed at 50-75 mg and wasnt willing to spike the dose along with my BP and sides, wasnt looking for a stroke or aneurism...

M1t Strength gains were the absolute strongest ever felt. I literally blew up on it too but back pumps were horrid, lethargy made me miss meals and i dont even want to know what it did to my liver at 20, 25 and 30mg... no thanks

Sd.... Strength was cool, pumps were AWESOME gains were nice and dry.... back pumps were even worse then M1t, my nips were itchy then sensitive then painful and led to gyno even after using E-form on cycle a complete PCT with nolva and ATD after that standalone.. made me feel like crap by the end of 4 weeks, wanted to get off, im sure it was the liver telling me to quit.... and its the ONLY compound thats ever given me the RAGE, or an easily blown temper... got stories on that, lol... I personally wont touch this compound again. to each their own though.


Phera plex is the very best feel good blow you up and make you kill the weights compound Ive ever ran... its a shame its banned.

For just strength only, ALRI M-TRN wins hands down. all the strength gains n more of others but almost no mass, leans you out too.... but is no longer available. cept in my stash :sgrin:

I would look for some alpha one if I were you though.. ph to m1t... should be nice... im interested at least in knowing if its any less toxic
 
Trenazone is impressive in terms of strength, I am starting week 3 and making great gains and shedding fat; all while getting stronger every workout. The good news is it is gradual enough my body can keep up with the strength gains and it is a dry compound. Never ran Phera, heard it was amazing though.
 
phera did nothing for me in strength but it made it for it by making me huge :D which ill take any day. havent tried ultra look forward to it one day though
 
Curious, why look for strength agent if the strength is not maintained? if a PH gives you the size, what do you benefit from the temp strength? or do you maintain some of the strength post cycle?
 
fadi said:
Curious, why look for strength agent if the strength is not maintained? if a PH gives you the size, what do you benefit from the temp strength? or do you maintain some of the strength post cycle?
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Excellent question! I'm also curious about that. Additionally, what PH's would have the most maintainable gains in strength?
 
Blaz3 said:
Excellent question! I'm also curious about that. Additionally, what PH's would have the most maintainable gains in strength?
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Anything that you can run for an extended time like Epi or Halo, both are safe for 6-8 weeks if you have adequate cycle support. I think 6 is good for most as people always keep upping the dose so after 5-6 weeks they feel like crap and go to PCT. You can run some non-methyls for 8 weeks like Stanodrol and many say it gives excellent strength and some mass as well.
 
ive always been skeptic of hdrol, i dont know what it is but i find it that it can be rather worthless
 
rochabp said:
ive always been skeptic of hdrol, i dont know what it is but i find it that it can be rather worthless
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Added 15 lbs for me at one point and max bench went from 235-265 after cycle. But this is just a personal experience, during this cycle I was extremely strict on diet. Its now two months later and I have maintained 10 of the lbs with proper pct.
 
see!!!
okay i see a couple of these reviews im thinking "wow i gotta try thig"
then i see "wrothless" "crap" "could have made gains without it"

idk i dont think im ever gonna try it specially since im turning to dark side and my vcr is bcoing a dvd and able to play that tbol dvd for a good 6 hours
 
I just think people's bodies are different and some people react differently to different compunds. I ran Boladrol at 12mgs and felt absolutely nothing at all, no sides, no gains, needless to say i was pretty pissed off. I was eating 4000 cals a day too. Pmag worked just fine for me though.
 
Diabolik said:
I just think people's bodies are different and some people react differently to different compunds. I ran Boladrol at 12mgs and felt absolutely nothing at all, no sides, no gains, needless to say i was pretty pissed off. I was eating 4000 cals a day too. Pmag worked just fine for me though.
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Boladrol was a big flop. So much hype.
 
Diabolik said:
I just think people's bodies are different and some people react differently to different compunds. I ran Boladrol at 12mgs and felt absolutely nothing at all, no sides, no gains, needless to say i was pretty pissed off. I was eating 4000 cals a day too. Pmag worked just fine for me though.
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This is more true then people realize. Each of us is different so we should expect differing results in terms of specific compounds. Not always, but certainly sometimes.
 
Sourdough said:
For just strength only, ALRI M-TRN wins hands down. all the strength gains n more of others but almost no mass, leans you out too.... but is no longer available. cept in my stash :sgrin:
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so in your opinion, plain old trenbolone powder, capped and taken orally is better than all the compounds you listed? cause that is all that it is. no methoxy group, no methyl, no ethyl. just trenbolone.

damn, we've all bee doing it wrong, we should just be getting some fina implants and pop those suckers like tic tacs.
 
Hmmm I personally haven't ran trenazone, thats why no mention. (although I have run a few tren/dienolone type ph's, trenadrol, trena-plex/fini g clone and they were fairly strong but not the strongest imo)

Ultradrol is on the to do list, in fact the top of the list as of right now, I have 2 bottles that taunt me to open them every day but I say "NO, get back in yo cell!", lol... Don't "plan" on cycling till end of december...

I tested boladrol... Was great stuff, sad to see such is not the case for most running it now.... But phf forums does have a lot of newbs that don't belong cycling in the first place so the fact they don't make similar progress at double dose doesn't surprise me, they are building on a weak foundation.... I've still heard others say they did well with it, sooooooo.....

Halodrol didn't impress me at all in comparison to others.... And I ran it 75-100mg from a reputable comp. (purus labs) and it really didn't stand out. Its effects were noticeable over natty but nothing like what some have raved about imo. Not really a mass monster or strength giant, just a boost...

I think with a proper length cycle and adequate pct almost all strength gains are maintainable, what I miss is the drop in the rate of progression... I love smashing through heavier weights every work out.... But if I can maintain I'm still pleased.
 
jbryand101b said:
so in your opinion, plain old trenbolone powder, capped and taken orally is better than all the compounds you listed? cause that is all that it is. no methoxy group, no methyl, no ethyl. just trenbolone.

damn, we've all bee doing it wrong, we should just be getting some fina implants and pop those suckers like tic tacs.
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I'd like to again know where this info came from and see the proof myself.... Buuuut....


Yes fina is quite orally available, just in comparison to inj its not economical....

For alri m-trn...
Sides were literally horrid at 4.5 mg though, oily as all get out, back broke out like crazy, strength was through the roof, back pumps.... I had to drop to 3 mg just to mitigate sides but benefits were still quite apparent.... I just don't see 2-3 caps of straight tren having those effects orally... I'm no novice to oral and td hormones either so I know when something is strong...

Could you find that reference for me and cite that this was true for all the supposed methoxy compounds? I thought it was only mega trn, the clone, that was found to be tren.... I thought bioscience m- tst and alri m-trn was never identified?

EDIT: typo city, stupid phone
 
methoxy tst & methoxy trn were both tested as containing trenbolone, i believe the trn

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this whole thread is a mess, but the first post on that page should sum it up.

trienbolone type products off as trenbolone.

(that doesn't mean i wish i didn't have a couple bottles, cause i do wish i did)
 
Sourdough said:
I tested boladrol... Was great stuff, sad to see such is not the case for most running it now.... But phf forums does have a lot of newbs that don't belong cycling in the first place so the fact they don't make similar progress at double dose doesn't surprise me, they are building on a weak foundation.... I've still heard others say they did well with it, sooooooo.....
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I'm assuming you aren't referring to me...
Even if the person running it was a newb, and the compound worked, they should experience something, unless their body just doesn't respond to it. Even if they don't make gains like someone who is experienced, they would surely at least experience some sides and one would think they would also get some "newb gains".

From everything I've been reading it seems like Bola is the most controversial PH as far as people reacting to it vs. people not reacting. I mean, I even had my blood pressure checked running it at 12mg and it was completely normal. Maybe I just got a bad batch.
 
Diabolik said:
I'm assuming you aren't referring to me...
Even if the person running it was a newb, and the compound worked, they should experience something, unless their body just doesn't respond to it. Even if they don't make gains like someone who is experienced, they would surely at least experience some sides and one would think they would also get some "newb gains".

From everything I've been reading it seems like Bola is the most controversial PH as far as people reacting to it vs. people not reacting. I mean, I even had my blood pressure checked running it at 12mg and it was completely normal. Maybe I just got a bad batch.
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no sir.

I was talkin a vast majority of new PH users, nonspecific to boards usually but PHF is plagued with them, arent ready for PHs and ive seen more then once folks saying they didnt respond to SD, didnt respond to Phera, etc... some of the strongest steroids around. These folks, IMO are so whacked on their diet and nutrition that they have no chance of gaining an ounce, no matter how much anabolics is administered. Some of these idiots also think drinking is still ok on cycle and think eating out 3 times a day will get them heeyooge..... The occasional non responder case is possible, although highly unlikely...

In the case of Bola... I wouldnt doubt one bit that there were possible batch discrepancies. I wouldnt doubt one bit thats what you got... I just dont buy into the fact that one can respond well to one compound and experience absolutely nothing from another legit hormone... not AS effective, maybe, not what so ever? dont think so. Thus my agreeing yours was likely off.
 
Sourdough said:
no sir.

I was talkin a vast majority of new PH users, nonspecific to boards usually but PHF is plagued with them, arent ready for PHs and ive seen more then once folks saying they didnt respond to SD, didnt respond to Phera, etc... some of the strongest steroids around. These folks, IMO are so whacked on their diet and nutrition that they have no chance of gaining an ounce, no matter how much anabolics is administered. Some of these idiots also think drinking is still ok on cycle and think eating out 3 times a day will get them heeyooge..... The occasional non responder case is possible, although highly unlikely...

In the case of Bola... I wouldnt doubt one bit that there were possible batch discrepancies. I wouldnt doubt one bit thats what you got... I just dont buy into the fact that one can respond well to one compound and experience absolutely nothing from another legit hormone... not AS effective, maybe, not what so ever? dont think so. Thus my agreeing yours was likely off.
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I agree with you. I got no love whatsoever on PHF about my Bola cycle. They just thought I was a troll or making it up. That really pissed me off because I put a lot of time, money, and effort into planning that cycle the correct way. They attributed it to me just lying and not knowing what I was doing!:cussing:

I find myself going to PHF less and less actually. A lot of douches over there as well.

I have some friends who are almost exactly as you described, lol. Never even heard of a SERM until I told them about it. Great guys, just not so smart when it comes to cycling. One of them ran an Mdrol cycle and said he didn't see any gains but I know for a fact he wasn't in the gym as much as he should have been, drank, etc..
 
Diabolik said:
I agree with you. I got no love whatsoever on PHF about my Bola cycle. They just thought I was a troll or making it up. That really pissed me off because I put a lot of time, money, and effort into planning that cycle the correct way. They attributed it to me just lying and not knowing what I was doing!:cussing:

I find myself going to PHF less and less actually. A lot of douches over there as well.

I have some friends who are almost exactly as you described, lol. Never even heard of a SERM until I told them about it. Great guys, just not so smart when it comes to cycling. One of them ran an Mdrol cycle and said he didn't see any gains but I know for a fact he wasn't in the gym as much as he should have been, drank, etc..
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RoadBlocK is one of the good ones though!
 
Diabolik said:
RoadBlocK is one of the good ones though!
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Ya, don't get me wrong, the IBE (PHF) guys are all great, I don't want to confuse that with the majority of the member base of the board itself.

I've been on close terms with dustin.(lmd) from ibe and the reps for years, I can't say a single thing bad about any one of them.
 
jbryand101b said:
methoxy tst & methoxy trn were both tested as containing trenbolone, i believe the trn

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this whole thread is a mess, but the first post on that page should sum it up.

trienbolone type products off as trenbolone.

(that doesn't mean i wish i didn't have a couple bottles, cause i do wish i did)
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BBBBAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


i BOUGHT MY TST FROM JESSE!!!!!


the guy who paid for the testing and sent in the bottle! we were talking bout this early in the summer and how we were both dying to find out what it was and he hung onto that last sealed bottle instead of selling it to me so he could get ahold of PA and test it!!!

im gonna email him! that fool was supposed to get at me if he ever did!!!

Awesome to know though, hilarious to say the least...

I still dont believe nor see the proof that TST and ALRI TRN are one and the same... the effects are quite apparent with TRN,... TST took 12mg (6caps) to see effects and they werent even close to the same feeling as TRN.

Like I said I have A LOT of experience in the game, no placebo effect here, these were legit effects and side effects I got with TRN...

I want Tests of TRN, but like hell im gonna give up this precious bottle!
 
hmmm I got to the point in the thread where henryv posted the PDF.... read what they say without full reference or spectrum shown for the test... I just find it hard to believe.... The effects of the 2 were STRONG and mild TRN and tst respectively....

sooooooo......

I must say IF and only IF... TRN has trenbolone in it its definitely also not at 1.5mg a cap.... if you read that thread PA even confirms that tren has oral activity and is detectable in urine at doses as low as 15mg...

I would also wonder.... would a methoxy group attached to trenbolone be detectable in testing and would it break away too easy leaving just tren, also could these 4-6 year old bottles have degraded over time leaving just Tren????

Either way.... the target hormone is there, lol... no wonder it gave me wicked strength gains.
 
jbry.....

wtf.... im sorry man it should have REPPED you not negged you!!! i dont know what happened, sorry Ill get you double again when I re up....
 
RoadBlocK said:
opinions vary
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Certainly didn't live up to "the most potent ph ever" as advertised. I'm sure it worked for people but was it stronger than sd, tren( dienolone) or ultradrol? Nahhh
 
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