Best prohormone for a bulk

lamenames

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So I'm thinking about bulking up, and can't decide what to run, I have previously ran super dmz 2.0 and got pretty great results. I was wonder what you guys think to be one of the safest/most effective prohormone on the market. Any advice will help!
 
Tren
 
lamenames said:
Thanks, but do you know of any orals?
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You should wait for more opinions on the matter. I have only read that its a wet (bulking) compound, I have yet to personally use this ph.
 
lamenames said:
So I'm thinking about bulking up, and can't decide what to run, I have previously ran super dmz 2.0 and got pretty great results. I was wonder what you guys think to be one of the safest/most effective prohormone on the market. Any advice will help!
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If you have access to superdrol (DS not a pprohormone) I'd go with that.

You can try msten. Seems like a lot of people like it and there is also ALPHA 20 by LGI.
 
M sten is the strongest PH/DS on the market imo
 
Thatguy_603 said:
If u had a good run with sdmz before why not use it again?
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Well I have a 2 bottles of sust 250 that I was going to run for 12 weeks 500 mg a week...(I'm pretty sure I would get better gains with that)
I have nolva and clomid for PCT, but I do not have HCG and i'm scared that I might need that...
What do you think?
 
By "prohormone", do you mean "legal steroid"? Or are you just looking for an oral?

I'd go for dianabol man.
If you want something legal, then just pick something mentioned above. You can get Supa-Halo, an m1-4add + halodrol combo and that's pretty good also.
By "safe" do you mean good results a lot of the time or minimal sides?

I have a bottle of the alpha m60 by LGI waiting to be used myself
 
lamenames said:
Well I have a 2 bottles of sust 250 that I was going to run for 12 weeks 500 mg a week...(I'm pretty sure I would get better gains with that)
I have nolva and clomid for PCT, but I do not have HCG and i'm scared that I might need that...
What do you think?
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After you've used your never going to be 100% again man. Just letting you know. All you can do is get everything back near where it was. You may even end up with better bloods, but it won't be "quite the same" again after, tough to explain.

You *should* be fine without a gonadotropin but there is no reason to take the risk really. If you can't find it, give triptorelin a go
Also I don't understand why you're running 500mg for 12 weeks when you have two bottles. You're going to have 6ml left over, what a waste
 
lamenames said:
Well I have a 2 bottles of sust 250 that I was going to run for 12 weeks 500 mg a week...(I'm pretty sure I would get better gains with that)
I have nolva and clomid for PCT, but I do not have HCG and i'm scared that I might need that...
What do you think?
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Could use sdmz as a kicker. U would obviously get better results using sust than sdmz alone. I don't think hcg is needed . I would have adex on hand if ur going with the sust. Maybe someone with more injectable knowledge could chime in.
 
warbird01 said:
M sten is the strongest PH/DS on the market imo
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That depends on what dose u run.

From my experience, it doesnt even come close to SD and while it was "stronger" in some regards than Halo, it didnt outperform it. Mind you, I was also running DMZ with it.

I suspect the strongest PH is not a single compound but rather a combo of Halo & Tren, Msten & Tren, or SD & Tren, etc etc.

Something and Tren, basically.
 
lamenames said:
Do you think I should run Super DMZ or Sust 250? Which one would you say would be safer..
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Dude testosterone is the safest thing you can do
500mg a week is a pretty benign amount as far as health goes.
Personally I'd take a ml every 5 days until you run out and rotate the orals in and out

12 weeks, things are just starting to get good at this point. And you won't need a half gram straight a way. Even 250mg for 20 weeks would give amazing results compared to natty :P
 
Thatguy_603 said:
Could use sdmz as a kicker. U would obviously get better results using sust than sdmz alone. I don't think hcg is needed . I would have adex on hand if ur going with the sust. Maybe someone with more injectable knowledge could chime in.
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^^ this isn't bad advice, especially about having adex on hand. I've answered questions about Sus and HCG in another thread the OP started. OP do you already have the sdmz or are you thinking of getting it?

AlexPowell also gave you some solid advice. If you're looking for pure bulk, and you're not bothered whether it's legal or not, Dbol will do the trick as a kicker on a Sus cycle.

I'm guessing about your experience, but would say that you haven't done loads of cycles? In which case, just run test alone and look forward to the years ahead where you can bring other compounds in and stack them to get good results. If you start with mental stacks, as time goes by and you come to do more cycles, you're never going to be able to reach those levels again. And without knowing what you're doing, you'll really screw yourself up.
 
But now that we're talkin bout Sust, I'd say kicker with SDMZ into 10 weeks of Sust.

I'm assuming its 250mg/ml @ 10mL which would give u 10 weeks @ 500mg.

Should see 15lb gain with a caloric surplus that increases as u grow.

To Alex's point, I was fine after I ran Test/EQ/Mast but when I did Tren-E, things were never the same. On TRT now. Sucks.

But for other reasons I will never do injection stuff outside of Test or Test-like stuff again.
 
AlexPowell said:
Dude testosterone is the safest thing you can do 500mg a week is a pretty benign amount as far as health goes. Personally I'd take a ml every 5 days until you run out and rotate the orals in and out 12 weeks, things are just starting to get good at this point. And you won't need a half gram straight a way. Even 250mg for 20 weeks would give amazing results compared to natty :P
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^^Again, this is really solid advice.

Other than the 20 weeks bit - is he going to want to run for 20 weeks though? Without HCG? That not crossing into blast and cruise territory?

Only thing I would say is, ditch Sus and use prop.
 
Number 10 said:
^^Again, this is really solid advice.

Other than the 20 weeks bit - is he going to want to run for 20 weeks though? Without HCG? That not crossing into blast and cruise territory?

Only thing I would say is, ditch Sus and use prop.
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Prop is nice but dang dude, it hurts!
 
fueledpassion said:
Prop is nice but dang dude, it hurts!
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Lol! I've not used anything else so can't compare. I found my legs hurt for the first week or so, but once I got back into the groove of pinning properly again, I have no PIP. I don't go deep, only between 3/4 - 1" in which seems to help, and getting rid of the mrs who used to slap me on the thigh has helped a lot more lol!

Apparently Winny is worse, and I have that coming up at 100mg EOD mixed with 200mg prop EOD at the end of my current cycle. Apparently the oil in the prop makes it easier, but not looking forward to it one bit!
 
Number 10 said:
^^Again, this is really solid advice.

Other than the 20 weeks bit - is he going to want to run for 20 weeks though? Without HCG? That not crossing into blast and cruise territory?

Only thing I would say is, ditch Sus and use prop.
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Personally I am of the opinion that if you're in this game, you should probably be serious enough to know that you're going to be injecting or rubbing something in for the rest of your life. I think cycling on and off is pretty reckless really. These are serious drugs, not some mild supplement you take casually for a boost

But it's not for everyone. Upping the dose is always good, until sides kick in. Lowering the dose is never good, neither is coming off. That's why I just stick to a low dose. Half a gram a week will get you pretty big in the long term, we are talking 4-5x the natural amount of hormone here
 
lamenames said:
So I'm thinking about bulking up, and can't decide what to run, I have previously ran super dmz 2.0 and got pretty great results. I was wonder what you guys think to be one of the safest/most effective prohormone on the market. Any advice will help!
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what about IMG's DMZ 3.0, it has everything in 2.0 (dimethazine/mthylsten) with Alpha 1? I've taken 2.0 with nice results, and have been eyeing 3.0 up since I first read about it. Alpha 1 is supposed to be similar to 1AD which converts to M1T. I've never taken either Alpha 1, 1AD, or M1T, but M1T is banned so it must be strong. Lol
 
AlexPowell said:
Personally I am of the opinion that if you're in this game, you should probably be serious enough to know that you're going to be injecting or rubbing something in for the rest of your life. I think cycling on and off is pretty reckless really. These are serious drugs, not some mild supplement you take casually for a boost But it's not for everyone. Upping the dose is always good, until sides kick in. Lowering the dose is never good, neither is coming off. That's why I just stick to a low dose. Half a gram a week will get you pretty big in the long term, we are talking 4-5x the natural amount of hormone here
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Whilst I agree with you to a point, not everyone who uses AAS/PH's is going to be an elite level competitor or is going to want to be, or need to be, on them permanently.

And I'm not really sure cycling on and off is anymore reckless than long term use, provided it's done correctly and you're careful monitoring yourself/give yourself enough of a break. In other words I respect your opinion, but I don't agree.

I definitely agree that lower doses, starting simple and viewing it as a long game (you posted somewhere else about low dosages and only adding in what you need to maintain slow progress I think) are the way to view things, and not as some miracle drug that means you work out for 12 weeks and look like a god forever with no more work required.
 
DNA24 said:
what about IMG's DMZ 3.0, it has everything in 2.0 (dimethazine/mthylsten) with Alpha 1? I've taken 2.0 with nice results, and have been eyeing 3.0 up since I first read about it. Alpha 1 is supposed to be similar to 1AD which converts to M1T. I've never taken either Alpha 1, 1AD, or M1T, but M1T is banned so it must be strong. Lol
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M1T is brilliant and awful at the same time. I took it too lightly and got mauled. I think you can still get it in the UK if you look hard enough, I got some a few months ago but still can't bring myself to consider it!
 
Are you not aloud to ask what's the most reliable company out there? I wrote a thread asking which company was the best and it got removed. Am I not allowed to mention company names on these threads? Does anyone know if that's against the rules?
 
Number 10 said:
M1T is brilliant and awful at the same time. I took it too lightly and got mauled. I think you can still get it in the UK if you look hard enough, I got some a few months ago but still can't bring myself to consider it!
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i'll buy it off ya, if you can ship it to the states. Lol j/k. I bet there's a lot of good supps available in the UK that are banned here in the US.
 
DNA24 said:
i'll buy it off ya, if you can ship it to the states. Lol j/k. I bet there's a lot of good supps available in the UK that are banned here in the US.
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Lol! Yeah, you guys seemed to get hammered by the bans. I was able to get phera here until late 2012 I think, and M1T is still knocking around if you look hard enough.

Problem is, we don't get other stuff that you can get easily in the states. For example Tudca is almost impossible to find in the UK.

You could probably get M1T shipped to the states from some of the UK websites if you wanted it. And don't they sell it still in Canada?
 
Number 10 said:
Lol! Yeah, you guys seemed to get hammered by the bans. I was able to get phera here until late 2012 I think, and M1T is still knocking around if you look hard enough. Problem is, we don't get other stuff that you can get easily in the states. For example Tudca is almost impossible to find in the UK. You could probably get M1T shipped to the states from some of the UK websites if you wanted it. And don't they sell it still in Canada?
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im not sure, I've just recently started looking into m1t as I seen it relates to the alpha 1 found in DMZ 3.0.
 
I don't have SDMZ, I was thinking about getting it... However I have a bottle of Havoc EPI, would yall recommend me stacking epi with Sust? Keep in mind i'm trying to bulk.
 
Epi is great for any goal. It can absolutely be used on a bulk, but its dry so the "temporary" gains won't be there. Strength gains are solid so if you're eating for it, 10+ pounds is achievable from the epi alone. As a kicker for a test cycle, you could get some nice, maintainable gains from this run.
 
Matthersby said:
Epi is great for any goal. It can absolutely be used on a bulk, but its dry so the "temporary" gains won't be there. Strength gains are solid so if you're eating for it, 10+ pounds is achievable. As a kicker for a test cycle, you could get some nice, maintainable gains from this run.
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Thanks for the advice! What would you say I run the dose of the EPI?
 
Alongside sust, 40mg a day should be fine. You could go higher if you want to push it and the sides are minimal.
 
AlexPowell said:
Personally I am of the opinion that if you're in this game, you should probably be serious enough to know that you're going to be injecting or rubbing something in for the rest of your life. I think cycling on and off is pretty reckless really. These are serious drugs, not some mild supplement you take casually for a boost

But it's not for everyone. Upping the dose is always good, until sides kick in. Lowering the dose is never good, neither is coming off. That's why I just stick to a low dose. Half a gram a week will get you pretty big in the long term, we are talking 4-5x the natural amount of hormone here
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There is a study or two that actually supports this idea. One presents the idea that the Leydig cell can shutdown at an early stage and remain shutdown from AAS for years and years and then be restarted like it never happened. These studies r compiled on DatBTrue's site.
 
Dude if you want to gain weight there are much better options than epistane
Don't try and complicate things, there are no magic drugs or secret hidden combos, or new drugs that are better than what we already have. Superdrol was the exception to this, I doubt we'll see that happen again!

Test + dbol = size. When you can't push these high enough to grow without sides and you're spending a fair amount of $$$ on AIs then you lower the test and add in some nandrolone. That's all there is to it. What's going to be cheaper for you? 120x10mg epistanes is $50. That's basically a bottle of testosterone or 200 of the 5mg British Dispensary dbols. What do you think will give you better gains, for the price?

250mg for 20 weeks + 30mg dbol/day for the first 30 (well 34 if you buy a gram) days and then weeks 12-16 will cost you $200. That's for half a year and it will net you far better gains in muscle and strength, provided you start lean and eat right. These are HG prices as well, if you get UGL gear it will be even less.
 
I'm loving m1a right now. Big gains in weight, no appetite suppression. You can check out my log in cycle info.
 
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