Best possible natty stack for body recomp

morata9

morata9

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Hi
I'm an italian guy.. I'm training from 4 years, I'm 1.90 for 94kg
my goal is to improve body composition, lose fat and improve quality and muscle hardness.

I'm in the last week of pct from my Epi/Tr3st cycle. My 4 week pct: clomid, sup3r pct, TD Formestane from the 3week of pct. I'm feel good.. before the cycle I was 90, at the end I was 97kg, now 94 but I'm lean and dry with a great vascularization. Now I'm looking
for a natty stack for body recomp.

The supplements I always take are: whey, bcaa, omega 3, multivitamins, sometimes creatine, pre workout ecc..
Do you help me to make the best possible natty stack today ?

Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo;
Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
a fat burner with stims stacked with a fat burner without stims ?
Test booster ?
A good product for boost libido ?
LJ 100 and Strenght Unleashed are a good stack with Ep1c ?
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal 1 full pump after showering and 1 full pump pre-workout. Can I use It on rest days ?
Other supps: omega3, multi vitamins, vitamin c, pre workout
What's the best stack for fut burner ? Can I add something else ? Now I'm taking TD Formestane from the 3 week of pct for estrogen rebound,
How much time must pass to take it back ? Formestane is a good choice for this stack ?

Thanks ;)
 
Looks like you did your research, your setup looks great. For a natural stack, I think Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal would be a good route - there has been lots of great feedback on it on AM. I would also recommend Alphamax XT, as it covers a lot of the questions you're asking about including increases in natural test, libido boost, longjack, and forskolin to help decrease fat mass and increase or retain muscle mass. Alphamax XT is a very complete product that works very well for those seeking improved body composition.

I would wait until you are finished with your PCT to begin anything else, just to allow your body to readjust. But I think what you mentioned above would be a good natural stack, and I would definitely check out Alphamax XT
 
john.patterson said:
Looks like you did your research, your setup looks great. For a natural stack, I think Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal would be a good route - there has been lots of great feedback on it on AM. I would also recommend Alphamax XT, as it covers a lot of the questions you're asking about including increases in natural test, libido boost, longjack, and forskolin to help decrease fat mass and increase or retain muscle mass. Alphamax XT is a very complete product that works very well for those seeking improved body composition.

I would wait until you are finished with your PCT to begin anything else, just to allow your body to readjust. But I think what you mentioned above would be a good natural stack, and I would definitely check out Alphamax XT
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Thanks for the answer ;)

This is a good deal ?
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Pes Norcodrene
Pes Shift
Alphamax XT
LJ 100
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal
Strenght Unleashed (maybe)
Driven Sports Frenzy
Omega 3
Multivitamins
Can I take Formestane with these products ?
 
morata9 said:
Thanks for the answer ;)

This is a good deal ?
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Pes Norcodrene
Pes Shift
Alphamax XT
LJ 100
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal
Strenght Unleashed (maybe)
Driven Sports Frenzy
Omega 3
Multivitamins
Can I take Formestane with these products ?
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You're welcome. This stack seems a bit overkill IMO. Lots of great products, but I think you'd see better results if you staggered them a bit. I think using Norcodrene and Frenzy together is a lot of stimulants, so I would be mindful of that. PES Shift is an excellent product, but keep in mind that Alphamax XT also contains forskolin, which is the main ingredient in Shift. You could use them both together, but it might be wiser to use one, then the other following it to give yourself a longer stack length.

Also note, Alphamax XT contains Longjack, which is what LJ100 is, which would be another redundant ingredient. I would suggest staggering these products also so you aren't taking too much. Same goes with Formestane, which is an AI. Alphamax XT contains DHAA, which is a very effective AI. I don't know enough about Formestane to advise whether it would be safe to run it with what you've listed, but I would definitely suggest running it either before or after Alphamax XT to prevent overlap
 
I agree with john.patterson. You may be overkill on a few products. Sometimes more isn't always better but you're definitely getting in some good supps with this stack.
 
morata9 said:
Alphamax XT
LJ 100
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Please do not stack these two items. Stick with one, or follow one bottle with the other. It seems like too many supps to me IMO. There comes a point where you hit a point of diminishing returns, especially when you start stacking products together like that (in respect to fat burners and test/libido boosters along w/ ep1c and strength unleashed)
 
john.patterson said:
You're welcome. This stack seems a bit overkill IMO. Lots of great products, but I think you'd see better results if you staggered them a bit. I think using Norcodrene and Frenzy together is a lot of stimulants, so I would be mindful of that. PES Shift is an excellent product, but keep in mind that Alphamax XT also contains forskolin, which is the main ingredient in Shift. You could use them both together, but it might be wiser to use one, then the other following it to give yourself a longer stack length.

Also note, Alphamax XT contains Longjack, which is what LJ100 is, which would be another redundant ingredient. I would suggest staggering these products also so you aren't taking too much. Same goes with Formestane, which is an AI. Alphamax XT contains DHAA, which is a very effective AI. I don't know enough about Formestane to advise whether it would be safe to run it with what you've listed, but I would definitely suggest running it either before or after Alphamax XT to prevent overlap
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Now It's ok ?
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Pes Norcodrene
Lean Xtreme
Alphamax XT
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal
Strenght Unleashed
San Lipidex (It has CLA, Omega 3,6,9)
Multivitamins
 
SNS X-gels and PES ANABETA Elite+ = forum recommended natty recomp stack
 
There is a sale on PES in EU right now, too

Most of the line is buy one get one 50% off

That is a LOT lol.
I don't think you need all of this at once, unless your goal is to lose wallet weight as well.

Let's save you some $ ...

With an isolate shake immediately post, you may not need the intra BCAAs, how long before the lift is your previous meal?

Drop the Lipidex IMO, CLA is just a waste of money that offers most people no extra benefit. I'd aim at a cheaper Omega 3 such as Orange Oximega (Controlled Labs)
 
jgntyce said:
SNS X-gels and PES ANABETA Elite+ = forum recommended natty recomp stack
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Hard this, too.
Very hard to beat the recomp effects of this stack.


With Anabeta on sale, it's worth consideration.

It would best replace the Alphamax, to avoid a high Forskolin Dose.
IMO it is better geared to your goals here.

I do like Alphamax, and you could always run that, or the ABE, after this current stack.

If you wanted ARA, I'd drop the str3ngth personally.
SNS X-gels is where it's at.

Ep1c is worth trying, in this stack or after. If -(-)epi works for you, you'll love it.
 
morata9 said:
Now It's ok ?
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Pes Norcodrene
Lean Xtreme
Alphamax XT
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal
Strenght Unleashed
San Lipidex (It has CLA, Omega 3,6,9)
Multivitamins
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Still a lot at once. I like Driven2lift 's ideas. I think you could run an OL stack (Ep1c Unleashed and Strength Unleashed) with your staple supps (protein, BCAA, Ergonine, multi, fish oil), and then follow with stacking Alphamax XT and Norcodrene.

I think this route would yeild you great strength and mass gains from the OL stack, and the Alphamax/Norco would be a great way to lean out at the end of an 8 week run. I would drop Lean Xtreme as well, its not needed if you're going to be using Alphamax XT. The new version of Lean Xtreme isn't anything incredible anyway, the original was awesome though.
 
I guessed he wanted cort control in his PCT with Lean-X

OG was far superior though I agree.
Not sure I'd pay for that reformulation.
 
Driven2lift said:
I guessed he wanted cort control in his PCT with Lean-X

OG was far superior though I agree.
Not sure I'd pay for that reformulation.
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Yeah that was my guess for his addition of Lean Xtreme. But I think the DHAA and ashwagandha in Alphamax XT is more than sufficient for cortisol control. I don't see there being a need to add anything else on a natty stack
 
As many have said, SNS Xgels (ara) and Anabeta elite is pure gold.

Also, if you respond well to epicatechin products, you could add or instead use CEL Epi-plex. Its cheap, open label, and has absorption enhancement to make sure you get your money's worth.
 
I'll be starting the Epi-plex/dermaStr3ngth Unleashed this upcoming week provided the Epi-plex makes it on time (had so stocking/shipping issues with Nutri-verse that should be resolved) followed by the Xgels/ABE after the 8 weeks. But I did get some Ep1c Unleashed and Tr1umph from OL's 50% off sale for the future. If you like the sound of any Olympus Labs products, I'd highly recommend taking advantage of the 50% off sale. I'm new to the majority of these supplements as well seeing as I've only ever used common "staples" (creatine, protein, bcaas, preworkouts, citrulline etc.)for many years but OL seems to have an incredible following and solid reputation, paired with the sale right now, it's hard to beat.

Like many have mentioned and suggested to me, don't rush into too many things at once and try not to overlap doses/ingredients. Find out what your body likes and positively reacts to, then go from there. Best of luck.
 
debatable but for as long as you were on, you should be off for the same amount of time to allow your body to return to homeostasis
 
I'm a natty guy and the best stack of natty anabolics I've used is:

(-)epi - EP1C td has treated me the best
PA - SL is solid, but I'm loving Tr1umph right now
DSU

That combo is insane for a recomp.

If I was trying to go the natty hormonal route (which I don't feel has a large of an impact on physique as it does on how you feel), I would possibly go with one or more of the following:

Test1fy
LJ100
Testabolan V2
inhibit-e
 
Natadrol?...
 
I like to throw Testabolan into every stack, natty or not. Having something that acts as an ABP/SHBG modulator is beneficial all the time. I recommend this product constantly, but it really is a great thing to have in any stack.
 
booneman77 said:
As many have said, SNS Xgels (ara) and Anabeta elite is pure gold.

Also, if you respond well to epicatechin products, you could add or instead use CEL Epi-plex. Its cheap, open label, and has absorption enhancement to make sure you get your money's worth.
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What do you think about this ?
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo at high dose;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Anabeta Elite
X-Gels SNS
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal
Multivitamins
At the end of this stack, I'll go with:
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo at high dose;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Alphamax XT
Pes Norcodrene
Hemavol pre wo
Agmatine 500mg pre wo, 500mg launch
Multivitamins
 
Wow

Just crazy bro I would keep it real simple; Soy Lecithin Granules maybe add the ARA with those X-Gels.

I think using these crazy stacks talking hundreds here you are going to be disappointed in the results lol
 
morata9 said:
What do you think about this ?
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo at high dose;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Anabeta Elite
X-Gels SNS
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal
Multivitamins
At the end of this stack, I'll go with:
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo at high dose;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Alphamax XT
Pes Norcodrene
Hemavol pre wo
Agmatine 500mg pre wo, 500mg launch
Multivitamins
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if you've got the funds, thats a hell of a plan!
 
morata9 said:
What do you think about this ?
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo at high dose;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Anabeta Elite
X-Gels SNS
Ep1c Unleashed Transdermal
Multivitamins
At the end of this stack, I'll go with:
Isolate Protein post wo;
Bcaa pre and during wo at high dose;
Pes Ergonine pre wo on training days, in the morning on rest days;
Alphamax XT
Pes Norcodrene
Hemavol pre wo
Agmatine 500mg pre wo, 500mg launch
Multivitamins
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What is your plan on running them? Just listing them like that i not ideal. Break it down to what your going to run week wise and we can better help you. Unless you have ran most of those things solo before, you could stack. Otherwise I would advise against it
 
I wish Olympus was still selling Test1fy!!! Outstanding ingredient profile!~!~

kboxer7 said:
I'm a natty guy and the best stack of natty anabolics I've used is:

(-)epi - EP1C td has treated me the best
PA - SL is solid, but I'm loving Tr1umph right now
DSU

That combo is insane for a recomp.

If I was trying to go the natty hormonal route (which I don't feel has a large of an impact on physique as it does on how you feel), I would possibly go with one or more of the following:

Test1fy
LJ100
Testabolan V2
inhibit-e
Click to expand...
 
Rob1882 said:
Wow

Just crazy bro I would keep it real simple; Soy Lecithin Granules maybe add the ARA with those X-Gels.

I think using these crazy stacks talking hundreds here you are going to be disappointed in the results lol
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Agreed. These crazy stack ideas are good if you have money to burn and the mental fortitude to realize you still won't progress as much as someone on gear
 
I read that Olympus is coming up with testify pro in pills form, it was great but tasted really nasty even with chocolate whey...
 
mountain1 said:
I wish Olympus was still selling Test1fy!!! Outstanding ingredient profile!~!~
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SOON my friend, very very soon.

Caps. And "non-pro" version. It'll still be killer, and if you want to kick it up a notch and make it into the "pro" version, you can just add a couple ingredients from our upcoming "essentials" line : )
 
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