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Best PH that minimizes chances of gyno

swangswang

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Hi fellas, I have just recently started getting back in the game. Earlier this year I had gyno removed from both nipples that I believe I got from a tren ph I had taken previously. I have not taken any kind of hormone related supplement in about 9-11 months. I want to hop on something now that will help put some muscle on but I want to be extra careful when it comes to a product that can induce gyno again. What are some of the best/strongest PH's out that have a low chance of gyno and is not too bad on the liver. What I WANT to take is 1T-tren, but dont think thats very good on the gyno side. Suggestions? Thanks in Advance
 
Powerful, not bad on liver, and low chance of gyno... So you want a non-methylated non-aromatase(ing) compound...

The only thing I can think of is Bold/EQ but if you want that you'll need to hurry as it wont be out there after 1/4/10. Depending on how you fel about stacking a pulse and a bridge on top of Bold you may find better results kick starting it with an Epi 4-6 week pulse (Epi is methylated but is also an A.I so gyno shouldn't be an issue still and pulsing it should help mitigate liver damage) that should get you into the EQ gains which normally start to show between week 4 and 6. If you want more you could bridge the epi pulse to a 4-5 week Fura/Orastan cycle all run on the base of Bold. That should be a pretty safe cycle and give you nice lean gains with fairly low risk of gyno or liver related sides.

So the cycle could look like this:

Bold 400/400/600/800/800/800/800/800
epi (mwf) 20/30/40/40/40
Fura 0/0/0/0/200/250/300/300

just my .02

Tan

Edit: For the record Bold can aromatase but does so at .5 the rate of test, and any PH will likely cause gyno without proper pct and on cycle maintenance via SERM and or A.I when needed.
 
IMHO some sales ads, have been miscommunicating, causing a common misconception that a 19-Nor is gyno proof. That is so very far from the truth, a 19-Nor is NOT gyno proof, it is a different kind of gyno.

Although 19-Nors do not convert to estrogen directly, 19-Nors can cause a different type of gyno that is caused by progesterone. Progesterone gyno doesn't cause a lump like normal gyno. Typically your nipples start to itch/burn and then a few weeks later you start to make milk/prolactin.

In the past, I have successfully stopped this at the itchy stage.
I used B6 and Vitex at way over the recommended dosage, which minimally helped, but did NOT solve the issue. Only the letro and caber worked completely and stopped it dead in it's tracks.

I was previously using Letro at 1mg ED, but I was told Letro may hinder gains. From my understanding, if the Letro lowers the estrogen too much, that will hinder gains. Therefore I decreased the Letro to 0.5mg ED and have not had any gyno issues. Next week I will try decreasing the Letro to 0.25mg ED and see how that works. :ponder:

I am currently on a 19-NOR cycle. Today this is my prevention cycle.
B6 100mg ED
Vitex 500mg ED
Letro 0.5mg ED (Next week 0.25mg ED)
Cabergoline 0.15mg ED

IMHO: (my experience)
I am 19-NOR/Progesterone gyno sensitive.
Cabergoline is a must for me. Still testing as to if the Letro is a must.
The B6 and Vitex are only minimally effective, and not able to be used alone.

Grega
 
What do you guys think of dymethazine and something like D-zine? I am looking into the bold compound right now. Are you referring to bold 1,4 ad or bold 200?
 
swangswang said:
What do you guys think of dymethazine and something like D-zine? I am looking into the bold compound right now. Are you referring to bold 1,4 ad or bold 200?
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1,4ad is the same thing as bold 200, EQ Jet, EQ-plex etc just different brands. As I mentioned it can turn to estrogen but it dose so at 1/2 the rate of test. so reports of gyno on cycle are very low when its run solo or with another low occurrence of gyno compound like Epi, Anavar, or Fura

D-zine is a double bonded SD compound, its billed as safer but its still SD and will be about as harsh as any other DS or worse even.
 
I know you said you're trying to avoid PHs that are harsh on the liver but I think that if you ran H-drol at the recomended level you'd be good. It's a pretty mild PH in all aspects. Put on some dry lean weight, not to mention I'm fairly sure gyno is extremely uncommon with just H-drol?
 
H-drol is a reasonabnly safe option on the gyno front. Could always go the non methyl root and get yourself some MMV2, Furaza A , 11 oxo etc.
 
Right now Im thinking about going with H drol and furaguno. I can get a good deal on some BOLD. Do you guys have any siggestions on a stack between 1 bottle of H drol, 1 bottle of furaguno and 2 bottles of BOLD?
 
type of compound isnt the only factor if gyno occurs or not

non aromatizing compounds causes ER upregulation, which could possibly cause gyno down the road

SD and phera is nonaromatizing but people still experience gyno
 
swangswang said:
Right now Im thinking about going with H drol and furaguno. I can get a good deal on some BOLD. Do you guys have any siggestions on a stack between 1 bottle of H drol, 1 bottle of furaguno and 2 bottles of BOLD?
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To run Hdrol you'll want at enough to run 50mg-100mg for 5-6 weeks (2 bottles) - furaguno you'll need enough to run 200mg+ED for 3-7weeks - Bold enough to run 600mg-1000mg ED for 8-10 weeks. Dosages defendant on cycle history and stacking regiment.

If I was decided on running these 3 compounds this is how I would do it: Bold wk 1-4 @ 600mg, wk 4-8 @ 800mg
Hdrol wk 1-6 @ 50mg-75mg
Furaguno wk 4-8 @ 200mg-300mg.

PCT
Nolvadex 40/20/20/10
Clomid 50/50/25/25
PCT Assist 6/6/6/6
6-bromo 0/0/50/50/25/25
 
Tansui said:
To run Hdrol you'll want at enough to run 50mg-100mg for 5-6 weeks (2 bottles) - furaguno you'll need enough to run 200mg+ED for 3-7weeks - Bold enough to run 600mg-1000mg ED for 8-10 weeks. Dosages defendant on cycle history and stacking regiment.

If I was decided on running these 3 compounds this is how I would do it: Bold wk 1-4 @ 600mg, wk 4-8 @ 800mg
Hdrol wk 1-6 @ 50mg-75mg
Furaguno wk 4-8 @ 200mg-300mg.

PCT
Nolvadex 40/20/20/10
Clomid 50/50/25/25
PCT Assist 6/6/6/6
6-bromo 0/0/50/50/25/25
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I would love to run this stack but money is definitely a limiting factor. Best I can do is one bottle of h drol, 1 of furaguno, and 2 bottles of bold. could I just do a shortened cycle of what I have?
 
neg, you would do better to just run 2 bottles of hdrol at 50mg-100mg/day
 
hey tansui.....why would you do clomid and nolva for pct? also whats the rational behind the bromo dosing.....should u ramp up while you ramp down ure SERM?

Also instead of the letro which will kill your libido at some doses.....could you use 50 mg bromo EOD instead?

Im just asking because im running a 1-t and low dose epi run and already have pubertal gyno. I also picked up some furazadrol for a subsequent epi/ fura cycle.

Thanks for the post...good stuff
 
pavb10 said:
hey tansui.....why would you do clomid and nolva for pct?
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Well Nolvadex and Clomid do the same "type" of things but in different ways. Nolvadex helps bring testicles back online and makes estrogen sensitive receptors in the breast desensitized. Clomid IS a synthetic estrogen that is much weaker than natural E so its sides are not as hard as natural E (mg per mg). It slowly substitutes natural E in your system and because of the high volume of the the compound your body sees the need to balance by creating more Test Your body has time and reason to to create test without the presences of strong natural estrogens.

Using Nolvadex and Clomid together takes advantage of both compounds strengths.

pavb10 said:
also whats the rational behind the bromo dosing.....should u ramp up while you ramp down ure SERM?

Also instead of the letro which will kill your libido at some doses.....could you use 50 mg bromo EOD instead?
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6-bromo is like letro but much much weaker most people recomend starting Aromatase Inhibitors the 3rd or 4th week of pct A.Is bind to aromatase enzymes before estrogen can the free estrogen has not pourpose in the body so the body sees it as extra and essentially turns it into test.

pavb10 said:
Im just asking because im running a 1-t and low dose epi run and already have pubertal gyno. I also picked up some furazadrol for a subsequent epi/ fura cycle.
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Epi is in addition to being a very strong DS with relatively low sides, an A.I. Fura is actually non aromatasing so PCT should be simple for this stack: 1 SERM, a test booster and cort control should do the trick if you want to use an A.I from pct week 3 you can 50/50-25/25/25-0.

Now since you already have pubertal gyno there may be some benefits to a prescription strength A.I. I have not done enough research in that area to make any kind of recommendation but I were you and interested in reducing/removing the lumps I would look into prescription strength A.Is

Tan
 
Wow thanks for the info bud. Answered all my questions....

As for the prescription AI....do you mean taking that as a standalone to reduce gyno or adding it on cycle or PCT? If that would get rid of the gyno standalone...cool, but i really just wana make sure it doesnt get any any worse and maybe take care of it later.

I really dont wana take letro on cycle as it will kill mny libido so could i take some other things in stead? im planning on a 1-T/epi cycle soon with epi only at 20 mg and then the epi and fura cycle next spring.

Heres what i was thinking....
w1- 1-t 10cc
w2- 1-t 10cc
w3- 1-t 10cc, Epi 10 mg
w4- 1-t 10cc, Epi 20 mg
w5- 1-t 10cc, Epi 20 mg
w6- 1-t 10cc, Epi 20 mg

PCT will consist of sustain alpha, toco 8, endoamp, and then just nolva and the 6 bromo. On cycle i will also take sustaiun 3 days on and 3 off along with whatever recommended supps for preotecting agasint gyno and liver support.
 
are you kidding me!!!!!
you got gyno from a previous ph cycle, had to have surgery to get it removed from both tits, and now want to get right back on another ph!!

even worse is all the nutjobs who came flooding into this thread to recommend a ph to him.
 
Able825 said:
are you kidding me!!!!!
you got gyno from a previous ph cycle, had to have surgery to get it removed from both tits, and now want to get right back on another ph!!

even worse is all the nutjobs who came flooding into this thread to recommend a ph to him.
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its gone... so now he just has to be careful again to make sure he doesnt get it again. Its his choice.
 
Able, when I had my surgery, my surgeon removed the entire gland from my chest. He told me I can never get gyno again because the whole gland was removed. Has anyone heard of this? I am most likely going to listen to my surgeon more than anyone else but does anyone else have any other thoughts on this?
 
swangswang said:
Able, when I had my surgery, my surgeon removed the entire gland from my chest. He told me I can never get gyno again because the whole gland was removed. Has anyone heard of this? I am most likely going to listen to my surgeon more than anyone else but does anyone else have any other thoughts on this?
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not true, you can still get gyno from the surronding tissues.





why run both clomid and nolva? i thought they both bind to the same receptors, so essentially, wouldn't they be fighting for the same receptors????
 
alexx33 said:
..why run both clomid and nolva? i thought they both bind to the same receptors, so essentially, wouldn't they be fighting for the same receptors????
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Clomid stimulates the release of gondotropins (the 'g' in hCG) from the pituitary gland this causes higher serum levels of Luteinizin hormone and follicle stimulating hormone which signals the testes leydig cells to start making testosterone and sperm. Novldex dosent do this...

Clomid and Nolvadex are both antagonists to natural estrogen the difrence is Novaldex is a synthetic non estrogen related compound with a very high affinity for binding to estrogen sensitive receptors. Clomid on the other hand IS a synthetic estrogen that is less potent than natural estrogen as such clomid has sides emotional sides congruent with high estrogen levels.

So in conclusion Clomid and Nolvadex will compete for the same receptors to help prevent gyno (and i believe prostate swelling and hair loss too) but Nolvadex never engages the hypothalamus and pituitary the way Clomid dose.
 
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