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Best OTC AI for this cycle???

jason267 said:
Man, ive read tons of reviews, articles, posts...some say that using p5p is the best OTC for prolactin.
Some say that using both Ldopa and P5P together, is counterproductive.
Heres whats important. Vitex and P5P...the best otc stuff for prolactin. Now, i randomly picked up some of this Inhibit P, about a year ago...
not even sure why...i think because i had some mean puffy nips after a Epi cycle, lol. Heard that it might be a prolactin issue. But like all
PH puffy nips, they subside.
If you already have some good Ldopa, run it.
what mg are you thinking about running of the Trenavar???
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Well I'm gonna be running trenstane. So basically whatever dose I run of epi its gonna be the same tren dose. I'm gonna start my cycle at 40mg and possibly hit 60-70 depending on sides/effectiveness. I will for sure play around with that dose for a day or two. Tren stane is 10mg epi 10mg tren. I was thinking id buy some l dopa just in case. I don't feel like paying $35 to order inhibit p. over priced IMO.
 
reps4jesus said:
Well I'm gonna be running trenstane. So basically whatever dose I run of epi its gonna be the same tren dose. I'm gonna start my cycle at 40mg and possibly hit 60-70 depending on sides/effectiveness. I will for sure play around with that dose for a day or two. Tren stane is 10mg epi 10mg tren. I was thinking id buy some l dopa just in case. I don't feel like paying $35 to order inhibit p. over priced IMO.
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If you are going as high as 60+mg, at least buy some P5P...high prolactin means gyno, and leaky nipples. Lactating. FUN!
There is a company called NOW p5p that is the perfect dose, and on the net should be around $10. AT LEAST run that.
I would try to find some vitex as well.
Most people, that run real tren and not the Ph Tren, take prami (a Rx drug to pin) everyday on their cycle.
Dont skimp on this stuff. Tren is a whole nother type of PH/AAS...
-"Tren is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone). In sensitive people this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, Tren's active metabolite 17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself. No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like tren also increases prolactin & bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolactin levels"
....Dont want to scare you off, so far, its a great compound! But run a AI, and spend the extra 20 on some p5p and vitex!
 
jason267 said:
If you are going as high as 60+mg, at least buy some P5P...high prolactin means gyno, and leaky nipples. Lactating. FUN!
There is a company called NOW p5p that is the perfect dose, and on the net should be around $10. AT LEAST run that.
I would try to find some vitex as well.
Most people, that run real tren and not the Ph Tren, take prami (a Rx drug to pin) everyday on their cycle.
Dont skimp on this stuff. Tren is a whole nother type of PH/AAS...
-"Tren is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone). In sensitive people this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, Tren's active metabolite 17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself. No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like tren also increases prolactin & bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolactin levels"
....Dont want to scare you off, so far, its a great compound! But run a AI, and spend the extra 20 on some p5p and vitex!
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Good read man. And no I'm not scared off lol iv been around aas/PH for a good amount of time at this point. However sense i don't feel like making a purchase at a RC site for caber (I only do it 1 time a year if i can because i hate making purchases on those sketchy sites) ill keep the dose of epi and tren at 40-50 the whole cycle and pick up some l dopa or p5p. At 50mg of tren I think one of those should keep it under control. I know 50mg of tren is low but I feel it's a good dose stacked with epi for a recomp. Especially it being my first time with tren. We will see what happens. many recommend it dosed 30-60 when stacked. And 60-150 solo. Honestly If sh!t goes down with the tren ill just bridge into a low dose 4 week recomp cycle of msten with arimidex or something. And save the rest of the trenstane for when I have caber. But I think l dopa and p5p should e enough for 40-50mg of tren stacked with epi. Ill be logging!
 
reps4jesus said:
Good read man. And no I'm not scared off lol iv been around aas/PH for a good amount of time at this point. However sense i don't feel like making a purchase at a RC site for caber (I only do it 1 time a year if i can because i hate making purchases on those sketchy sites) ill keep the dose of epi and tren at 40-50 the whole cycle and pick up some l dopa or p5p. At 50mg of tren I think one of those should keep it under control. I know 50mg of tren is low but I feel it's a good dose stacked with epi for a recomp. Especially it being my first time with tren. We will see what happens. many recommend it dosed 30-60 when stacked. And 60-150 solo. Honestly If sh!t goes down with the tren ill just bridge into a low dose 4 week recomp cycle of msten with arimidex or something. And save the rest of the trenstane for when I have caber. But I think l dopa and p5p should e enough for 40-50mg of tren stacked with epi. Ill be logging!
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ya, youll be fine, def go with 50mg of P5P 2x a day (100mgs). Im only running trenavar at 45mg, might up it my final 2 weeks to 60...but keep in mind im running it with Dzine, plus 1000mg of Stano (not that stano will do anything negative), but i should have ran my first go with tren with something tried and true with me like Hdrol or Epi.
Youll have a blast. Def ad in the Stano!
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^look around more, also, if you dont want to order online, they carry 'NOW' products at Vitamin Shoppe...but both vitex and p5p will cost you under 20 bucks.
vitex acts on dopamine levels to reduce levels of the hormone prolactin.
"I've been taking vitex for exactly two weeks (I'm trying to reduce my prolactin level and I'd be thrilled if it helped my cycles too). It's working... I'm feeling better. Hopefully this isn't TMI, but my chest and nips are feeling less swollen and they aren't leaking anymore. They're starting to feel like they did when I was on Dostinex, but the vitex doesn't make me violently ill like Dostinex did. I can tell that my prolactin levels are finally decreasing."-random quote i found, looking for vitex stuff, etc.
Best of luck man! Keep in touch and ill tell you how things are going with my cycle, most likely going to up to 60mgs tren and 45mg dzine for the final 2 weeks....tomorrow is only the start of my second week...magic time, lol!
 
jason267 said:
ya, youll be fine, def go with 50mg of P5P 2x a day (100mgs). Im only running trenavar at 45mg, might up it my final 2 weeks to 60...but keep in mind im running it with Dzine, plus 1000mg of Stano (not that stano will do anything negative), but i should have ran my first go with tren with something tried and true with me like Hdrol or Epi.
Youll have a blast. Def ad in the Stano!
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^look around more, also, if you dont want to order online, they carry 'NOW' products at Vitamin Shoppe...but both vitex and p5p will cost you under 20 bucks.
vitex acts on dopamine levels to reduce levels of the hormone prolactin.
"I've been taking vitex for exactly two weeks (I'm trying to reduce my prolactin level and I'd be thrilled if it helped my cycles too). It's working... I'm feeling better. Hopefully this isn't TMI, but my chest and nips are feeling less swollen and they aren't leaking anymore. They're starting to feel like they did when I was on Dostinex, but the vitex doesn't make me violently ill like Dostinex did. I can tell that my prolactin levels are finally decreasing."-random quote i found, looking for vitex stuff, etc.
Best of luck man! Keep in touch and ill tell you how things are going with my cycle, most likely going to up to 60mgs tren and 45mg dzine for the final 2 weeks....tomorrow is only the start of my second week...magic time, lol!
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Ya ill get that man! Ill be fine with no stano. I always am. Ill figure out which place around me sells vitex p5p or ldopa and get one or two of them. Tren and dmz sounds fun! I would've done that but I couldn't pass up the deal ironflex had. Under $19 a bottle for tren stane after discounts and free 2 day shipping.
Let me know how yourgains and sides are from the tren because I'm running this in 2 months. Go get em man week two is where they should both start to shine! Thanks for the help with the prolactin prevention man :)
 
^No problem man, anytime!
Despite what some other dudes that posted on my first thread here at this forum...
Ive been doing research for 2yrs BEFORE i did my first cycle when i was 24. (started lifting and really eating right when i was 17),
Im 30 now. I know a couple things :)
just never had to run a OTC AI. Simple!
Ill try to keep you posted for sure...one thing i should note, is that "first week" haze type feeling is gone and i woke up earlier feeling pretty damn good...hit it time!
 
reps4jesus said:
I gotcha man, id still say 600 bare min as a test base. you need a test base on hdrol? I had a normal sex drive on the stuff. How is 1000?
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When I ran hdrol/stano, stano at 1000, I had to have sex twice a day or else it wasn't pretty. Nothing like some good steroid horniness
 
You aint kidding!
The stano is in full force right now!

Never ran it quite this high, at the most in the past, 800mg.
But at this 1000...kick it up a notch!!!
 
jason267 said:
You aint kidding! The stano is in full force right now! Never ran it quite this high, at the most in the past, 800mg. But at this 1000...kick it up a notch!!!
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Have fun ;) I'm running mine at 800 this time because I don't expect to much lethargacy from my compounds :]
 
Holy crap.

This thread is simply out of control lol.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
pretty much I just grabbed some popcorn.. :popcorn: and some sunglasses for all the gnarly text sitting back being amused
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Sigh. Tis true. Total effing mess.


I wonder if op realizes trenbolone shows false e2 on blood tests. Hmm there's a thought. Probably no need for this thread to begin with.. Besides who cycles with out having just in case letro or exem on hand. I mean dude. If you grow a set if cans you want to reverse that as fast as possible. I wouldn't rely on arimistane or formestane to crush estro levels low enough to help slow and possibly reverse tissue growth. Call me stupid but also call me prepared. Also if nervous about lactation on prolactin, sure p5p is great. It may help. May not. Probably smart to have real prolactin control like caber bromo or prami on hand. Not a vitamin b6 supp with a little mucana puriens.
 
Yeah its all fine to advise an OTC AI but when all is said and done even a good one like Reversitol V2 or Formestane can't compete with Letrozole, Anastrozole, or Exemestane. I personally prefer tits on a female rather than myself, but to each his own I suppose.
 
saggy321 said:
Just ignore him. He rarely has any good advice, but plenty of venom.
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lol
says the guy who hides behind a tree, stalks my posts, and waits till my back is turned so he can throw rocks at me
who are you? I have not a clue..
but you sure seem to be pretty fascinated with me
bro-crush?

grow up mate, stop inserting yourself into any situation where you think you see a conflict
you'll be much happier, I'd imagine
 
Being attacked on a forum is informative.

Im sorry for how i am running my cycle.

After searching thru hundreds of Trenavar threads (most were from PHF), from the very beginning when Trenavar was released, up until the latest cycle of it ran...If found that most run it at least 60mgs, some @ 90, some in an insane amount....And very rarely do i see an AI even mentioned. Some will run some Erase with their Tvar, especially when stacked with Epi or Hdrol, SD, etc.
So i got the feeling that, since after running so many past successful PH cycles with no gyno problem, I wouldn't need a research chem AI to pin.
And surely, at the low dosed of 45mgs, and low dosed Dzine @ 30mg (which ive ran in the past solo, good gains, great post bloods)...taking a OTC AI, would be plenty.
I do have some leftover arimidex from a Test E run, but would rather, not ever have to use that stuff again. ****ed up my cholesterol, and my levels took forever to baseline.

Look around on this site as well...Erase or Erase Pro, is used constantly with intense stacks. IML pushes out some crazy stuff, that even beginners are running for their first or second cycle....Dymethazine, Methylstenbolone, and Alpha-1??? Ive known many that are running that stuff right now, pushing it to a 6weeker, and using IML's Econtrol 2.0...which is Erase. 60X0 must be pretty strong stuff to be illegal yrs ago, then IML decided to use it in their first E-control (which i have), but it got thrown out as well, once again.

And getting messages/posts on here telling me that "I dont know what a PCT is."
I tell them, "I plan to run Clomid (possibly alongside with Nolva...you still feel like your on cycle...and bloods come back perfect), and since i have it, Rev Black PCT...has some good basic supports that i use on cycle, but has Erase added in. So, a SERM, and AI....for a PH cycle."
But no, what he considers a REAL PCT, is...Torem....and...yep, just Torem. Thats about his big difference. :) Dont get me wrong, i would love to give Torem a try, but since im stocked up with Clomid, Nolva, and Raloxifene (in case there is a gyno problem)...not going to run out to buy his idea of a good "real" PCT. Torem.

Why do you even bother just messing with someone, a new forum member at that, instead of giving advice?
Instead of just pointing out the obvious little things, yes, i know about prami. I know that using a OTC prolactin supp is no where near as strong...
that's the whole point, im tired of people injecting god know what to fix problems that are not even there!
I even saw a thread on this forum, some dude ran a long cycle of Test....only used Erase! Which i thought was most definitely crazy.
But he posted his bloods, and his estrogen levels were in range, and his Test was still up in the 6k or 7,000 levels....wtf?!!
Now, im def not saying or getting to much from that dudes experiment, but it does appear that for a cycle like mine...RC chems on cycle are not needed.
So, for this cycle. Low dosed, Dzine, Trenavar + tons of Stano...
All that is NEEDED, is a good OTC AI, a prolactin supp (which more and more people are finding out is not needed), and a good PCT. Its all there.
All i asked, in my OP, was, "Erase or 6OXO for a on cycle AI?" Simple.

Time to post on the kids thread, that is asking if "A OTC pct is enough for EpiTren?"
 
jason267 said:
Being attacked on a forum is informative.
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actually, that statement in itself is very informative, about you
because the reality here is, no one is attacking you...I have not seen one post that grievously insults or attacks you
in fact, you have gotten quite a bit of good info from some sources
just because it isn't what you want to hear, or whether you agree with it or not, does not make it an affront or attack
if you are so sensitive, perhaps you should stop posting threads

there will always be disagreements on how much/what you should run, and when you should run it, in discussions of steroids
this is called learning with your own perspective
obviously, you are in uncharted waters for yourself, in regards to what you are doing with this cycle..
you can say "but I researched!" all you want; if such was the case, then you wouldn't have these very basic questions in this thread

because it is a fact that this is your first time doing this, I would think that hardly gives you the right to complain about ppl who do have the experience of running these things, who are kind enough to come in and give you nuggets to chew on..
and it most certainly does not give you the right to be accusatory with a "everyone is picking on me" persona, and say everyone is attacking you

nor is it proper for you to expect one to freely instruct you on steroid use...this is not what the forums are all about

see, this is exactly why I personally do not (and WILL not) instruct you (or any other inexperienced individual) on basic steroidal/ancillary etiquette
best with your cycle
 
:banghead:


Adex messed up your cholesterol? Hah. It may have helped but steroids in general will mess that up. Especially super physiological doses of test. Don't get bloods done after tren if you're worried about it because you're going to be so far out of range.

I'm just gonna duck out. Op is pretty uneducated and won't listen. Not sure what the point in staying around would be since the good knowledge I'm seeing is falling upon dead ears.
 
Example of pointless crap. He seems to read my full posts...but only takes in what he wants to see. Clif-notes?

My post....
“PCT
Clomid- 50/50/25/25
Nolva- 20/20/10/0
*PCT BLACK-1/1/1/1 (50mg ARIMISTANE per cap)”

snagency post...
“nolva is not a PCT, it is for gyno reduction.”

I message him this...
“No worries.
And for my full PCT, I plan on using both nolva and clomid. Your Rev Black PCT. And a couple of good natty Test boosters.
If you could think of anything more to add, please, let me know.
In the past, even my solo Dzine run, I just ran clomid, and a natty test booster. Bloods came back great.
What, in your definition, is a PCT? Im not trying to be a smart ass, Im honesty curious?”

snagency message back..
“I like clomid for pct, usually run it with torem
that to me is a credible pct
nolva, which has zero impact on HPTA function, is no use in pct -- unless you have gyno from your run and are trying to alleviate it.”

^Ah...so...you disagree with my planned PCT...then...tell me your opinion, which is the exact same thing. (Ah, damn, i dont have Torem...my cycle is gone all to hell!!!)
Just full of too many pointless, sarcastic filled posts. When all i needed to know was "Best OTC AI for this cycle???"
 
THREAD IS DONE.

If i star another, please, lets keep it to straightforward answers. Helpful stuff. Not mixed info w/ bashing.
Sorry...im sensitive.
 
jason267 said:
THREAD IS DONE. If i star another, please, lets keep it to straightforward answers. Helpful stuff. Not mixed info w/ bashing. Sorry...im sensitive.
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Gotta control that estrogen then
 
holy. sh1t.
this dude is off the wall?
you take all these quotes quite out of context
if you will recall, YOU asked me my opinion on your cycle
so i throw you a bone, and try to have a discussion
you then post our communication in a post ?????
ohhh noooes!

are you all there, mentally? i mean, seriously mate -- are you playing with a full deck?

please avoid me in the future, and i also will avoid you
thanks in advance

(and this is another reason why i do not try to educate noobs on their steroid use, fyi)
 
I have read A LOT of great feedback on Formeron by Black Lion and I would say look into it to use on your cycle.

Edit: did I just read someone saying nolva is not for pct or am I so sleep deprived that I'm just seeing ****?
 
Colbert said:
I have read A LOT of great feedback on Formeron by Black Lion and I would say look into it to use on your cycle.

Edit: did I just read someone saying nolva is not for pct or am I so sleep deprived that I'm just seeing ****?
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Apparently, nolva is not too good after a Tren cycle...Clomid or Torem is best...
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
lol
says the guy who hides behind a tree, stalks my posts, and waits till my back is turned so he can throw rocks at me
who are you? I have not a clue..
but you sure seem to be pretty fascinated with me
bro-crush?

grow up mate, stop inserting yourself into any situation where you think you see a conflict
you'll be much happier, I'd imagine
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You will notice I barely respond to your posts. Sometimes you are so corrosive in your responses that it needs calling out. You have not offered the OP any advice relating to the question he actually asked. He himself is obviously offended by your attitude. So could two entirely independent people interpret a post wrongly or is it quite simply that you are unnecessarily coarse.
 
Colbert said:
Edit: did I just read someone saying nolva is not for pct or am I so sleep deprived that I'm just seeing ****?
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no, you saw right
why would you use nolva as your pct? (unless you experienced gyno flare on-cycle)
amazing, how many ppl think nolva is a mandatory - or even a good option - for pct needs
it is a breast cancer drug, period - great for reducing preX gyno (to a certain extent)...that's it

saggy321 said:
You will notice I barely respond to your posts.
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you have nothing to respond to, because I never initiate anything with you (literally, never)
as I said, you like to hide, stalk, and throw rocks, with the grandiose mentality (apparently) that you need to confront my conduct, in these exchanges where you are not even involved in conversation

is this real life for you? must be..i bet you are one of those guys who loves getting involved in drama, putting your nose in other ppl's business where it simply has no business being....saggy the drama queen
thanks for letting us all know the wonderful regard in which you hold me...
now, move along..and as I said, grow the fawk up
 
Raloxifene is great for gyno, not nolva...though you can try it if you get a "flare up"...but you should def have some Ralox on hand.
 
jason267 said:
Raloxifene is great for gyno, not nolva...though you can try it if you get a "flare up"...but you should def have some Ralox on hand.
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you kinda muddled into something there, albeit by accident
ralox and nolva are both SERMS, and act very similarly..it is erroneous to state ralox good for gyno/nolva not good
but, if we look at the point of ralox being a bit more effective with respect to blood lipids, the question arises:
why would you use nolva at all, either on-cycle or in pct?
once again, it comes back to there being much better options, for trying to accomplish what we wish to here

but thanks for your, ahem, attempt to educate
 
rolax is now the number one choice to cut down the size of lumps/cysts in women with breast cancer, or breast issues.

Very good, nolva, and rolax are both in the same family, SERMs.

But rolax is the go to for people that are battling lumps, male or female. From steroid use, or no steroid use.

I'm not out to get you, sang. Im just simply stating an informed opinion.
Research Rolax, and its uses...not info from years ago, but at breast cancer centers now.

And before you try to reply, about what i said about the use of it in women...guess what/who the original AI's, and SERMS were created for?
Torem included.
-also, dont carry how many "reputation points" you take from me....i joined this forum this month!
Im leaving you be, now. You are stuck in your ways, not open for anything new or a different method.

btw, i dare you to ask me how i know rolax is the number one drug to start a patient on, MALE or FEMALE, when cysts or lumps first show...
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
no, you saw right
why would you use nolva as your pct? (unless you experienced gyno flare on-cycle)
amazing, how many ppl think nolva is a mandatory - or even a good option - for pct needs
it is a breast cancer drug, period - great for reducing preX gyno (to a certain extent)...that's it
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And clomid is for treading ovulation problems in women who want to become pregnant, what's your point?

Yes clomid has shown to raise LH levels but one can not simply say that nolva is **** unless you have gyno issues. People react differently to drugs and some people like nolva better than clomid. I am personally a clomid person but nolva has worked great for me also and I don't see an issue with using it.
 
Colbert said:
And clomid is for treading ovulation problems in women who want to become pregnant, what's your point?

Yes clomid has shown to raise LH levels but one can not simply say that nolva is **** unless you have gyno issues. People react differently to drugs and some people like nolva better than clomid. I am personally a clomid person but nolva has worked great for me also and I don't see an issue with using it.
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^Exactly...though...wait for his reply....first trashing me...then
AGREEING with you that he likes Clomid too!
Correct me if im wrong, but aren't people still running Nolva PCT's...and coming back with great bloodwork???
Call me crazy.
 
jason267 said:
Very good, nolva, and rolax are both in the same family, SERMs.
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oh gee, thanks!
Im just simply stating an informed opinion.
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no, no you are not
you are parroting something you just read online, while quickly trying to research this topic
don't play like it is anything else
And before you try to reply, about what i said about the use of it in women...guess what/who the original AI's, and SERMS were created for?
Torem included.
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:doh:
no kidding
-also, dont carry how many "reputation points" you take from me....i joined this forum this month!
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good
then stop whining about them publicly
man up
Im leaving you be, now. You are stuck in your ways, not open for anything new or a different method.
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you really have no clue what you are saying, do you..
stuck in my ways? I am the one telling you nolva is sh1t for your pct..
how quickly your expansive mind forgets things
nolva is old school train of thought for pct..and I think I've said numerous times, nolva is not a good pct
btw, i dare you to ask me ...
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are you 12y/o or something?
is there where I'm supposed to comeback with "well I double-dare you...."
I think you need help

well this has been so much fun
 
Colbert said:
And clomid is for treading ovulation problems in women who want to become pregnant, what's your point?

Yes clomid has shown to raise LH levels but one can not simply say that nolva is **** unless you have gyno issues. People react differently to drugs and some people like nolva better than clomid. I am personally a clomid person but nolva has worked great for me also and I don't see an issue with using it.
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we can agree to disagree
I am not saying it cannot be used for pct..obviously it has been for a great many yrs, by a great many ppl
I am quite clear in saying it is not my preference, and is viewed (like myself) as a poor option for pct by a lot of knowledgeable ppl
you want to use it? then use it
I will sleep fine either way

but if you think I am the only who thinks this way, and you have never heard of this stance on nolva before...
I'd say you have some things to learn yet
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
oh gee, thanks!
no, no you are not
you are parroting something you just read online, while quickly trying to research this topic
don't play like it is anything else
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no kidding

good
then stop whining about them publicly
man up
you really have no clue what you are saying, do you..
stuck in my ways? I am the one telling you nolva is sh1t for your pct..
how quickly your expansive mind forgets things
nolva is old school train of thought for pct..and I think I've said numerous times, nolva is not a good pct
are you 12y/o or something?
is there where I comeback with "well I double-dare you...."
I think you need help

well this has been so much fun
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Both my mom and my aunt have stage IV breast cancer.
CTC in Tulsa, where i spend my time off.
I stay involved, from the beginning to whatever happens

Pretty well informed. Nothing i had to dig up on the internet.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
we can agree to disagree
I am not saying it cannot be used for pct..obviously it has been for a great many yrs, by a great many ppl
I am quite clear in saying it is not my preference, and is viewed (like myself) as a poor option for pct by a lot of knowledgeable ppl
you want to use it? then use it
I will sleep fine either way

but if you think I am the only who thinks this way, and you have never heard of this stance on nolva before...
I'd say you have some things to learn yet
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I said I am a clomid person but I can tell you this...you kind of have a super douchey way of disagreeing with people.
 
jason267 said:
Both my mom and my aunt have stage IV breast cancer.
CTC in Tulsa, where i spend my time off.
I stay involved, from the beginning to whatever happens

Pretty well informed. Nothing i had to dig up on the internet.
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if you're such a fan of ralox, strange that you have nolva to use for your pct then, and not ralox
also strange how you say everyone should have ralox on hand, yet you do not and instead have 3 different otc AIs on hand and don't appear to know anything about them....
carry on
 
Colbert said:
I said I am a clomid person but I can tell you this...you kind of have a super douchey way of disagreeing with people.
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I like clomid as well
but you seem to be quite an idiot
you keep coming after me to get your point across..
okay?
the fact that we disagree is fine; the fact that you air some childish persona bullsh1t in assessing the way I disagree, is quite pointless
but thanks for your oh-so-worthwhile opinion
seems to be the way quite a few ppl roll, these days....grow up, deal with it, and stop whining
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
I like clomid as well but you seem to be quite an idiot you keep coming after me to get your point across.. okay? the fact that we disagree is fine; the fact that you air some childish persona bullsh1t in assessing the way I disagree, is quite pointless but thanks for your oh-so-worthwhile opinion seems to be the way quite a few ppl roll, these days....grow up, deal with it, and stop whining
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Oh, you big Babbitt you! Lol
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
if you're such a fan of ralox, strange that you have nolva to use for your pct then, and not ralox
also strange how you say everyone should have ralox on hand, yet you do not and instead have 3 different otc AIs on hand and don't appear to know anything about them....
carry on
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Who ever said i DID NOT carry ralox on hand?
I got some Rx rolax about 6 months ago.

As far as the 3 OTC AI's....you are correct, i have never had to run a OTC AI on a PH cycle before.
Which is why i made my OP....that somehow, got to the point of you, arguing about nothing.
I keep the ralox on hand, in case there ever is a problem with me, or a few friends that are just now getting into PH/AAS cycles.

And as for my PCT, i still plan to use both clomid and nolva side by side. Ive done it in the past, coming off of weaker cycles, and it makes PCT feel amazing, instead of a dreadful thing! Plus, i always get blood work done. From my first 50mg hdrol cycle 5yrs ago, and will always continue. Safety first, eh?
What else do you want? Just leave this thread alone.
Its been dead since you first posted.
 
jason267 said:
Just leave this thread alone.
Its been dead since you first posted.
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yeah, it's all my fault
n/m that you ignore the advice given to you by couple others, with some long wall of text as to why you are right and everyone else is wrong..

n/m that I said yesterday to leave me alone, and you PM me and say you will, and then you circumvent that today by starting argument that ralox is for gyno, not nolva..

another one of them guys where everything is always someone else's fault, and you never take any responsibility for your own goofiness

let's try this again: please, do not post towards me again
we'll see how long it takes you this time, before you are drawn back to my magnetic personality....
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
you kinda muddled into something there, albeit by accident
ralox and nolva are both SERMS, and act very similarly..it is erroneous to state ralox good for gyno/nolva not good
but, if we look at the point of ralox being a bit more effective with respect to blood lipids, the question arises:
why would you use nolva at all, either on-cycle or in pct?
once again, it comes back to there being much better options, for trying to accomplish what we wish to here

but thanks for your, ahem, attempt to educate
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Just as an aside, SERMs are not only selective for the estrogen receptor but also selective for the tissue with which the estrogen receptor resides. So there are indeed differences in breast tissue blockage between SERMs, at least clinically. No comment on this PCT use
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
yeah, it's all my fault
n/m that you ignore the advice given to you by couple others, with some long wall of text as to why you are right and everyone else is wrong..

n/m that I said yesterday to leave me alone, and you PM me and say you will, and then you circumvent that today by starting argument that ralox is for gyno, not nolva..

another one of them guys where everything is always someone else's fault, and you never take any responsibility for your own goofiness

let's try this again: please, do not post towards me again
we'll see how long it takes you this time, before you are drawn back to my magnetic personality....
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You seriously need counselling...major self esteem issues. No other way to explain your awful personality.
 
jason267 said:
Who ever said i DID NOT carry ralox on hand?
I got some Rx rolax about 6 months ago.

As far as the 3 OTC AI's....you are correct, i have never had to run a OTC AI on a PH cycle before.
Which is why i made my OP....that somehow, got to the point of you, arguing about nothing.
I keep the ralox on hand, in case there ever is a problem with me, or a few friends that are just now getting into PH/AAS cycles.

And as for my PCT, i still plan to use both clomid and nolva side by side. Ive done it in the past, coming off of weaker cycles, and it makes PCT feel amazing, instead of a dreadful thing! Plus, i always get blood work done. From my first 50mg hdrol cycle 5yrs ago, and will always continue. Safety first, eh?
What else do you want? Just leave this thread alone.
Its been dead since you first posted.
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No Jason - I would leave the thread open; its a great mechanism for exposing what a douche bag snagency really is!
 
"another one of them guys where everything is always someone else's fault, and you never take any responsibility for your own goofiness"- snagencyV2.0

^what tha hell are you ranting and raving about? Honestly???

Time to put down the roids, or torem...and go find your yellow pill your mom hands you 3x a day.

I dont even know what to say to this guy...if anyone reads thru this whole thread...its sad.
It all started with, "what OTC AI to take?"

Then it got derailed by this madness...I for one apologize that i was a part of it all. But something is really wrong with this poor kiddo.
I'm beginning to think you are just another one of those community college kids, pissed off at everything and everyone...ready to run your mouth at...nothing.

Continue, my good sir...
 
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