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Best Nootropic For Mood And Happiness

InItForGainz said:
From what I took from it Tryptophan is effective in regards to boosting mood but only when combined with other drugs. Works O.K on it's own but works greatly when combined with other drugs, which kind of makes the study redundant when studying the effects of Tryprophan solo.
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I think at least some of the studies did test it alone. Perhaps it really “shines” when paired with drugs, but that doesn’t mean it’s workless alone. Also, it’s possible that for real depression, they wanted to try it as supplemental treatment rather than a replacement, as it’s doubtful that an amino acid will be just as effective as pharmaceutical drugs. So many people who take drugs for depression are still depressed, so perhaps they wanted to try to address that issue. I don’t really know, just throwing out what comes to mind. I do think that what it really shines doe is sleeping haha. Works very well for that. Add some glycine and ornithine and you have a great sleep stack.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I do think that what it really shines doe is sleeping haha. Works very well for that.
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Well sleep and mood are very relatable, I know that if I don't get about six hours I'm more easily pissed off the day after. So maybe Tryptophan improves mood by improving sleep quality.
I've ordered the 120x500mg caps now and will see how it goes from 1g per day dosed about half an hour before bed.
 
InItForGainz said:
Well sleep and mood are very relatable, I know that if I don't get about six hours I'm more easily pissed off the day after. So maybe Tryptophan improves mood by improving sleep quality.
I've ordered the 120x500mg caps now and will see how it goes from 1g per day dosed about half an hour before bed.
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Nice. Keep us updated.
 
InItForGainz said:
Well sleep and mood are very relatable, I know that if I don't get about six hours I'm more easily pissed off the day after. So maybe Tryptophan improves mood by improving sleep quality.
I've ordered the 120x500mg caps now and will see how it goes from 1g per day dosed about half an hour before bed.
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I find 1g does little
I use 2g, not often, when I feel I might have trouble falling asleep
But start with 1g
 
Something to keep in mind in regards to taking 5HTP for mood purposes, is that if you do want this effect you likely need to take the supplement (sub)chronically for any real changes to be noticed. Since the MOA of SSRIs is to nonspecifically increase serotonin in synapses, with no real receptor affinity (at least not with the original SSRIs which work as well as the new ones), the MOA from 5HTP would be a similar non-specific increase in serotonin, but in this case would be in serotonin stores and theoretically increases in subsequent release. My point is that SSRIs take 4-8 weeks to even begin improving mood in those that are depressed, though they can work earlier for anxiety disorders and someone who is not truly clinically depressed, assuming they may eventually fall into the depressed category if they wait too long to seek treatment. So Id say take the 5HTP for a minimum of 8 weeks on a daily basis. Likely the effects will be subtle, as increasing serotonin stores in the CNS does not guarantee increased release or changes in receptor densities. But the MOA of depression and low mood disorders in general is complex. Is it the increase in serotonin doing the work? Well no it cant be directly because if it were that case we would see increases in mood much sooner than 4-8 weeks of therapy. Interestingly enough SSRIs up-regulate some serotonin receptor subtypes (5ht1a is generally up-regulated, unless the AD MOA is to modify that receptor with agonism or partial agonism, in which case it can go either way) while down-regulating others (5ht2a is down-regulated, for example, and tends to be correlated with rumination and mild psychotic type symptoms in cases where it is not down-regulated..more accurately, blocking or down-regulating 5ht2a tends to have both antidepressant and antipsychotic effects).

Summary: For a true personal test of 5HTP re: mood, take daily for at least 4 weeks, 8 being best for judging any efficacy.
 
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It reduces anxiety and cortisol levels; is inexpensive, and proven to work. It's one of the reasons I put it in the fat burner I designed.
 
justhere4comm said:
I love Invalid Link Removed.

It reduces anxiety and cortisol levels; is inexpensive, and proven to work. It's one of the reasons I put it in the fat burner I designed.
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I know the majority of individuals like this supplement, I myself find it beneficial in some instances. However, only in small doses (vs what others seem to be taking). If I take a full 600 mg dose of the standardized version, I feel almost zombified and mentally slow. Have you gotten this feedback from ashwangda solo before? And if so, any ideas as to what the MOA causing this could be? Something as simple as lowering cortisol too much, perhaps?
 
bigdavid said:
I know the majority of individuals like this supplement, I myself find it beneficial in some instances. However, only in small doses (vs what others seem to be taking). If I take a full 600 mg dose of the standardized version, I feel almost zombified and mentally slow. Have you gotten this feedback from ashwangda solo before? And if so, any ideas as to what the MOA causing this could be? Something as simple as lowering cortisol too much, perhaps?
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600mg is the standard daily dose.

The way I dosed it was 4 caps for 525mg , split twice daily so it's far lower a dose. (262.5mg) per dose.
It made more sense to get the feels from the compound while permitting other actives keeping the daily dose to 4 caps instead of pushing into the realm of 5 and 6 caps. All around it was a good decision.

You may be sensitive to it so 200mg may be a sweet spot. I think it's worth investigating further.

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For relaxation I would recommend
One of, if not the best sleep aid on the market for it's formulation.
I take 1/3 scoop of this on occasion and it works really well.

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bigdavid said:
I know the majority of individuals like this supplement, I myself find it beneficial in some instances. However, only in small doses (vs what others seem to be taking). If I take a full 600 mg dose of the standardized version, I feel almost zombified and mentally slow. Have you gotten this feedback from ashwangda solo before? And if so, any ideas as to what the MOA causing this could be? Something as simple as lowering cortisol too much, perhaps?
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Lower doses have been shown to still have benefits, as have higher doses. Most studies split the dose as well. Are you saying you feel slow acutely after using it (so timing would matter) or that when you use it regularly you feel slow (so timing wouldn’t matter)?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Lower doses have been shown to still have benefits, as have higher doses. Most studies split the dose as well. Are you saying you feel slow acutely after using it (so timing would matter) or that when you use it regularly you feel slow (so timing wouldn’t matter)?
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I can say that chronic usage causes slowing. And acute usage of over 3-400 causes slowing also. Honestly haven’t really experimented with less than 300 at one dose. Chronically though the slowing tends to get better after a few weeks of consistent dosing but it still isn’t really a go to product for me nootropic wise for this reason. Maybe trying 100-200 mg per day chronically could benefit with less negatives in my case?
 
bigdavid said:
I can say that chronic usage causes slowing. And acute usage of over 3-400 causes slowing also. Honestly haven’t really experimented with less than 300 at one dose. Chronically though the slowing tends to get better after a few weeks of consistent dosing but it still isn’t really a go to product for me nootropic wise for this reason. Maybe trying 100-200 mg per day chronically could benefit with less negatives in my case?
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One study used 300mg 2x/day, but with only 1.5% withanolides instead of the 5% in KSM-66. Assuming you’re using a 5% extract, that’d be 180mg/day. It noted several benefits.

From an old post:

“300mg of Ashwagandha (containing 4.5mg withanolides) taken twice daily for 12 weeks by people with moderate to severe anxiety (for longer than 6 weeks) as part of naturopathic treatment, was able to significantly reduce anxiety (as measured by the Beck Anxiety Inventory [BAI]) compared to standardized psychotherapy intervention. The BAI scores (higher scores are associated with greater anxiety) in the ashwagandha supplementing group decreased by 56.5% compared to only 30.5% in the group not supplementing with ashwagandha. The ashwagandha supplementing group also noticed greater improvements in mental health, concentration, fatigue, social functioning, vitality, and overall quality of life compared to the group not supplementing with ashwagandha.”
 
Random update: I decided to check out a Nootropics group on FB, and there’s a ton of people absolutely freaking out about caffeine raising cortisol and calling people dumbasses for using caffeine pills regularly. Keep in mind it’s likely that some of these people are the same people using experimental synthetic nootropics, but yeah, caffeine pills are definitely the thing that we should we warning people about using.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Random update: I decided to check out a Nootropics group on FB, and there’s a ton of people absolutely freaking out about caffeine raising cortisol and calling people dumbasses for using caffeine pills regularly. Keep in mind it’s likely that some of these people are the same people using experimental synthetic nootropics, but yeah, caffeine pills are definitely the thing that we should we warning people about using.
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Interesting. This would apply to caffeinated stim pwo as well, right? Maybe it’s time for me To make the switch to non stim.
 
rowz4broz said:
Interesting. This would apply to caffeinated stim pwo as well, right? Maybe it’s time for me To make the switch to non stim.
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It would apply, but it’s not solid logic IMO. They’re too focused on the “theory” that increasing cortisol, to any degree for any amount of time, is bad, and therefore should be avoided. Unless your stimulant intake/tolerance has gotten out of hand, the benefits of caffeine on power output, performance, energy, etc. will almost surely outweigh any negatives of increases cortisol.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It would apply, but it’s not solid logic IMO. They’re too focused on the “theory” that increasing cortisol, to any degree for any amount of time, is bad, and therefore should be avoided. Unless your stimulant intake/tolerance has gotten out of hand, the benefits of caffeine on power output, performance, energy, etc. will almost surely outweigh any negatives of increases cortisol.
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Awesome to hear
 
Better watch with Kratom.. I have took it on and off for the last 2 month.. Very bad withdrawals ?? Wouldn't touch it again now.. Awesome supplement but man the depression and lethargy when off is a killer.. My workouts arw cut short i feel that tired.. Be safe ?
 
bell1986 said:
Better watch with Kratom.. I have took it on and off for the last 2 month.. Very bad withdrawals Wouldn't touch it again now.. Awesome supplement but man the depression and lethargy when off is a killer.. My workouts arw cut short i feel that tired.. Be safe
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What do you consider on and off? I personally would not want to use it more than 3 days a week, preferably 2 or less. Also, did you take agmatine with it?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
What do you consider on and off? I personally would not want to use it more than 3 days a week, preferably 2 or less. Also, did you take agmatine with it?
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Mines was more 4-5 times a week.. Ran it for about 8 weeks. I just stopped but never thought anything would surface but... Wow its hit me hard. Never thought it could cause a bad withdrawal but Kratom hits the opiate Receptors so you suffer opiate withdrawals.. Be careful
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It would apply, but it’s not solid logic IMO. They’re too focused on the “theory” that increasing cortisol, to any degree for any amount of time, is bad, and therefore should be avoided. Unless your stimulant intake/tolerance has gotten out of hand, the benefits of caffeine on power output, performance, energy, etc. will almost surely outweigh any negatives of increases cortisol.
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now obviously one doesn't want to rely too much on stimulants but I don't think people have to worry about caffeine in reasonable amounts. I've read the caffeine / cortisol and it is when caffeine gets in the amounts of 700-800+ mg that it becomes a problem.
 
pbandy1 said:
now obviously one doesn't want to rely too much on stimulants but I don't think people have to worry about caffeine in reasonable amounts. I've read the caffeine / cortisol and it is when caffeine gets in the amounts of 700-800+ mg that it becomes a problem.
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Science would agree that most people do not need to worry about moderate daily caffeine consumption. 400mg/day (for men) and 300mg/day (for women) is often listed as a reasonable, safe upper limit. 3-5 cups of coffee is also often found to be safe, healthy even, in research, with 6 cups seeming to be the upper limit at times. 300-400mg/day would probably be conservatively advisable, with up to 500mg still likely being fine, maybe even 600mg, but that’s pushing it. 700-800mg can be excessive though, especially for daily/regular use, I agree.

These people were talking about having caffeine daily period, or even just using caffeine pills regularly.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Science would agree that most people do not need to worry about moderate daily caffeine consumption. 400mg/day (for men) and 300mg/day (for women) is often listed as a reasonable, safe upper limit. 3-5 cups of coffee is also often found to be safe, healthy even, in research, with 6 cups seeming to be the upper limit at times. 300-400mg/day would probably be conservatively advisable, with up to 500mg still likely being fine, maybe even 600mg, but that’s pushing it. 700-800mg can be excessive though, especially for daily/regular use, I agree.

These people were talking about having caffeine daily period, or even just using caffeine pills regularly.
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Everyone likes to blame their problems on *something*. Some people latch on to the one theoretical example that makes sense to them in terms of causing all their problems, then they hold on and never let go...that is until they realize they were wrong and latch on to another false or exaggerated theory which makes 1% more sense to them. It’s a nasty cycle I’ve seen many friends go through. When I use supplements that lower cortisol I tend to feel tired and mentally not as sharp. However, I can also admit that cortisol lowering is likely only one part of the various supplements that I’ve used. The similar sides could be completely coincidental in terms of them all lowering cortisol to some degree. Perhaps they also affect serotonin receptors or change the pharmacokinetics or something else I’m taking? There are too many variables to blame everyone on one overlapping factor. If people would understand this concept they would save a lot of time, money, and ironically stress (oh no not extra cortisol from some mild daily stressors) ;). And let’s not even go near the “you’re fat because of all the parasites in your gut so buy my cleanse and you’ll drop ten lbs of parasite and stool weight..I mean errrr fat” LOL
 
bigdavid said:
Everyone likes to blame their problems on *something*. Some people latch on to the one theoretical example that makes sense to them in terms of causing all their problems, then they hold on and never let go...that is until they realize they were wrong and latch on to another false or exaggerated theory which makes 1% more sense to them. It’s a nasty cycle I’ve seen many friends go through. When I use supplements that lower cortisol I tend to feel tired and mentally not as sharp. However, I can also admit that cortisol lowering is likely only one part of the various supplements that I’ve used. The similar sides could be completely coincidental in terms of them all lowering cortisol to some degree. Perhaps they also affect serotonin receptors or change the pharmacokinetics or something else I’m taking? There are too many variables to blame everyone on one overlapping factor. If people would understand this concept they would save a lot of time, money, and ironically stress (oh no not extra cortisol from some mild daily stressors) ;). And let’s not even go near the “you’re fat because of all the parasites in your gut so buy my cleanse and you’ll drop ten lbs of parasite and stool weight..I mean errrr fat” LOL
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Well said.
 
NeuroTropic said:
If you take the full dose of 6 tablets. I think a good approach is taking it for 1 month full then lowering it to 1-3 daily afterwards if you need some serious levels of NGF and want the best quality. Even 1-2 a day is giving you a guaranteed quantified amount of it's NGF actives. With others you have no idea if they have any hericenones at all and could be doing nothing.
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Helpful advice. Let's give it a try...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Meh. 200mg of 50% Alpha-GPC is only 100mg Alpha-GPC, which is a pretty low dose. 200mg of NALT is also a very small dose, and, IMO, inferior to l-tyrosine. 100mg of 20% PS is only 20mg, which is also a very small dose. Also, does guarana not have caffeine? I️ read that they can have 2-4.5% caffeine, which is only ~10mg caffeine, but this is an extract, so can have more or less. Do that claim caffeine free?
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Helpful data so far!
 
InItForGainz said:
Well sleep and mood are very relatable, I know that if I don't get about six hours I'm more easily pissed off the day after. So maybe Tryptophan improves mood by improving sleep quality.
I've ordered the 120x500mg caps now and will see how it goes from 1g per day dosed about half an hour before bed.
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muscleupcrohn said:
Nice. Keep us updated.
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Right, I've run 1g of Tryptophan half an hour before bed now for a solid four weeks. The only thing I've noticed is that it's harder to get moving in the morning, like, I've felt more "groggy" and slow when I wake up if that makes sense. No actual improvements in sleep quality or amount of solid sleep.
I don't know whether to keep running it and hope it gets better or to just sack it off and not re-order. What do you think muscleupcrohn ?
 
InItForGainz said:
Right, I've run 1g of Tryptophan half an hour before bed now for a solid four weeks. The only thing I've noticed is that it's harder to get moving in the morning, like, I've felt more "groggy" and slow when I wake up if that makes sense. No actual improvements in sleep quality or amount of solid sleep.
I don't know whether to keep running it and hope it gets better or to just sack it off and not re-order. What do you think muscleupcrohn ?
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Hmm... that's probably going to be a personal thing. If you don't feel like you're getting anything out of it after weeks of use, then I suppose it's just not for you. Are you using it to help you fall asleep faster? If so, is it helping with that? If not, then I suppose it just isn't for you. If you're looking for something to improve sleep quality and/or how you feel in the morning, try taking 3g glycine and/or 500mg l-ornithine HCL before bed. I don't think either of them would make you feel groggy in the morning at all.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Hmm... that's probably going to be a personal thing. If you don't feel like you're getting anything out of it after weeks of use, then I suppose it's just not for you. Are you using it to help you fall asleep faster? If so, is it helping with that? If not, then I suppose it just isn't for you. If you're looking for something to improve sleep quality and/or how you feel in the morning, try taking 3g glycine and/or 500mg l-ornithine HCL before bed. I don't think either of them would make you feel groggy in the morning at all.
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Falling asleep is no issue...Staying awake however is a different story. I don't usually feel groggy, this has only been an issue since I started my L-Tryptophan trial. I was using it to help improve mood throughout the day, on the theory of by improving sleep quality it will help me feel more "Up" during the day. But it hasn't effected my mood in any way what so ever. But as you said, mayber it just isn't for me.
 
InItForGainz said:
Falling asleep is no issue...Staying awake however is a different story. I don't usually feel groggy, this has only been an issue since I started my L-Tryptophan trial. I was using it to help improve mood throughout the day, on the theory of by improving sleep quality it will help me feel more "Up" during the day. But it hasn't effected my mood in any way what so ever. But as you said, mayber it just isn't for me.
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Ok. If you were using it in hopes of improving day-time mood as a result of improved sleep quality, and it’s not working, I’d just stop taking it. Have you tried glycine and/or ornithine? They could help improve sleep quality and shouldn’t make you feel groggy or anything. They’re both cheap too.
 
Yes I know this is an older thread.

I noticed a mention of agmantine with kratom. I thought they would cancel each other out. I've studied kratom extensively and never heard of taking them together. Curious about this. I would also like to add kratom withdrawal is very individual. I take it daily for pain and energy and when I forget or skip I don't have any issues except being more tired which is baseline for me. Personally I think a lot of the concern about kratom is overhyped. I only take it to be normal, a replacement for tramadol etc.
 
Lisatpn1525 said:
Yes I know this is an older thread.

I noticed a mention of agmantine with kratom. I thought they would cancel each other out. I've studied kratom extensively and never heard of taking them together. Curious about this. I would also like to add kratom withdrawal is very individual. I take it daily for pain and energy and when I forget or skip I don't have any issues except being more tired which is baseline for me. Personally I think a lot of the concern about kratom is overhyped. I only take it to be normal, a replacement for tramadol etc.
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Completely disagree on the withdrawal concern being overhyped. Having had intense withdrawals myself along with knowing many, many daily users who attempted to stop and had horrible symptoms that’s not an accurate statement. A more sound way of putting it is that the withdrawal is pretty individual and depends on person, length of use, consistency, dose, etc. But to tell people it’s overhyped when in many cases it isn’t just isn’t accurate. But I’m very glad you don’t experience any of them. I think it’s a great supplement though and an infinitely better option than other things out there, to say the very least lol
 
My main issue with Kratom is that I seem to experience lethargy after my dose has worn off. As in if I take it in the morning, it is much harder for me to get energy from a stim or PWO later the same evening or the next day. This is with the more energizing strains (White Borneo, Green Maeng Da) which are the only strains I have tried.

Aside from that issue, I seem to get reduced sexual function. Other than those two problems, I really have never noticed any withdrawal symptoms....even when I took it for a few months consecutively and stopped cold turkey.
 
Ricky10 said:
My main issue with Kratom is that I seem to experience lethargy after my dose has worn off. As in if I take it in the morning, it is much harder for me to get energy from a stim or PWO later the same evening or the next day. This is with the more energizing strains (White Borneo, Green Maeng Da) which are the only strains I have tried.

Aside from that issue, I seem to get reduced sexual function. Other than those two problems, I really have never noticed any withdrawal symptoms....even when I took it for a few months consecutively and stopped cold turkey.
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I too use to get lethargy a few hours after taking any kratom strain at any dose. Someone mentioned to hydrate more because kratom can dry you out. Since then I keep my water in take extra high on days I take kratom and that really worked to clear the lethargy.
 
Withdrawal is very individualistic, but I really believe it is largely psychosomatic in many cases. Also, consuming responsibly is key. Keep doses low, rotate strains and colors often, and take breaks. Also, I would advise black seed oil as a very potent potentiator and also when you take your breaks. It is well known for keeping tolerance low and helping with opiate withdrawal, which kratom is not, but can still assist if you are one that has any WD issues.
 
kisaj said:
Withdrawal is very individualistic, but I really believe it is largely psychosomatic in many cases. Also, consuming responsibly is key. Keep doses low, rotate strains and colors often, and take breaks. Also, I would advise black seed oil as a very potent potentiator and also when you take your breaks. It is well known for keeping tolerance low and helping with opiate withdrawal, which kratom is not, but can still assist if you are one that has any WD issues.
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I agree with all of this.

Also I've never notice any withdrawal from any substance. I vaped for 6 months straight and stopped cold turkey, and no withdrawals. I used ambien for over a year and stopped cold turkey, and again no withdrawals.

Even recently done that with my dexedrine, that I have been taking for roughly 8 years, and was told by my doctor that the withdrawals from amphetamines are as bad as it comes. However, I noticed no withdrawals symptoms.

Only substance I have notice withdrawals is caffeine. However, it's not as bad as most describe it. I am just a bit more tired for a few days. I think that it more be that my routine changes when I don't consume caffeine.

I understand I'm the exception and not the rule.
 
Stumbled upon some mushrooms and microdosed .14g today for the first time. It was odd, felt like a very slight buzz, almost like a stimulant. But, I was also more relaxed, a noticeably better mood and laughing more often. I felt more focused and found myself noticing some things a little more than I would before. I felt like people were acting more weird than usual, but I tend to ignore others in public to avoid interaction with the weird people, so it could have just been me paying more attention. I had a noticeable drop in energy about 6 hours afterwards, though.

Same batch and the person I got them from takes about .5g and says they just feel super stoned and get some slight visuals and notice something different each time. These are home grown in a controlled environment. It is my first time with any psychedelic. I hate THC and I've done ecstasy one time. I got slight visuals with that, euphoria, and couldn't sleep for a day and a half lol
 
rascal14 said:
Stumbled upon some mushrooms and microdosed .14g today for the first time. It was odd, felt like a very slight buzz, almost like a stimulant. But, I was also more relaxed, a noticeably better mood and laughing more often. I felt more focused and found myself noticing some things a little more than I would before. I felt like people were acting more weird than usual, but I tend to ignore others in public to avoid interaction with the weird people, so it could have just been me paying more attention. I had a noticeable drop in energy about 6 hours afterwards, though.

Same batch and the person I got them from takes about .5g and says they just feel super stoned and get some slight visuals and notice something different each time. These are home grown in a controlled environment. It is my first time with any psychedelic. I hate THC and I've done ecstasy one time. I got slight visuals with that, euphoria, and couldn't sleep for a day and a half lol
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Man I would feel bad if I didn't recommend this. As psychedelics literally saved my life! You should have a full blown trip! I recommend going to a place you feel the safest, with the person you trust the most (that is sober to "trip sit"/take care of you) And have a couple benzos if you get a bad trip. Take 5g and let the yourself just dissolve. I am much happier person than I've ever been.
 
rtmilburn said:
Man I would feel bad if I didn't recommend this. As psychedelics literally saved my life! You should have a full blown trip! I recommend going to a place you feel the safest, with the person you trust the most (that is sober to "trip sit"/take care of you) And have a couple benzos if you get a bad trip. Take 5g and let the yourself just dissolve. I am much happier person than I've ever been.
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I've had so many bad experiences with weed that it makes me weary of doing a full blown trip. I may slowly work up in doses now that I have had a positive experience with it so far, even if it was just a microdose it still makes me feel a lot better about it. I would definitely have a few Ativan ready! Lol
 
Wildcat528 said:
Completely disagree on the withdrawal concern being overhyped. Having had intense withdrawals myself along with knowing many, many daily users who attempted to stop and had horrible symptoms that’s not an accurate statement. A more sound way of putting it is that the withdrawal is pretty individual and depends on person, length of use, consistency, dose, etc. But to tell people it’s overhyped when in many cases it isn’t just isn’t accurate. But I’m very glad you don’t experience any of them. I think it’s a great supplement though and an infinitely better option than other things out there, to say the very least lol
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Your not supposed to take it everyday.. If you don't, and keep it in moderation, then there should be no withdrawals. I've never experienced WDs from it and I was stupid and took it everyday at 10+ grams(don't try this)
 
Ricky10 said:
My main issue with Kratom is that I seem to experience lethargy after my dose has worn off. As in if I take it in the morning, it is much harder for me to get energy from a stim or PWO later the same evening or the next day. This is with the more energizing strains (White Borneo, Green Maeng Da) which are the only strains I have tried.

Aside from that issue, I seem to get reduced sexual function. Other than those two problems, I really have never noticed any withdrawal symptoms....even when I took it for a few months consecutively and stopped cold turkey.
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Yea when it wears off (for me its 6 hours of clean energy) I don't crash, just feel less energy.

But that's the same with coffee and most other compounds
 
Ricky10 said:
My main issue with Kratom is that I seem to experience lethargy after my dose has worn off. As in if I take it in the morning, it is much harder for me to get energy from a stim or PWO later the same evening or the next day. This is with the more energizing strains (White Borneo, Green Maeng Da) which are the only strains I have tried.

Aside from that issue, I seem to get reduced sexual function. Other than those two problems, I really have never noticed any withdrawal symptoms....even when I took it for a few months consecutively and stopped cold turkey.
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I'm opposite, Kratom shoots my libido through the roof lol.

Idk, I guess it just works very well with me. No sides, no WDs, no crash.

But that's me
 
Bintherduntht said:
Your not supposed to take it everyday.. If you don't, and keep it in moderation, then there should be no withdrawals. I've never experienced WDs from it and I was stupid and took it everyday at 10+ grams(don't try this)
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IF you can keep it in moderation. That’s a big if. Some people can’t. Just like any drug, some people can’t use it in moderation, and then it becomes a serious issue. Many people can use it in moderation, but some people can’t, and probably shouldn’t use it.
 
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