Best Non stim preworout? (yohimbine and forskolin allowed)

YoungBodyBuil

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Any suggestions on non stim pre workouts and fat burners? Tryna cut some PC fat. Going to do an 8 week log with OL's Testify Pro, Testruction by EvoMuse, Alphamax XT by performax, Rebirth by BLR, and Forma Stanzol v3, thats the pct portion have 3 of everything and will be going 1 cap/serving extra everyday so current lay out

Rebirth
2 in the am 2 in the pm
Alphamax XT
3 in the am 3 in the pm
Testruction
4 in the am 4 in the pm
Test1fy Pro
2 scoops am 1 scoop pm (12 caps total had to cap because of taste)
Forma Stanzol v3
2 squirts am 2 afternoon 1 pm

Now all i need is some fat burners and solid non-stim Pre to make this a PCT of both recovery and gains

Gonna log this

Current height 5'8
Weight 175
bf- 13%

Gonna start log this wednesday/thursday when my PC labs come in im gonna have basline, post cycle bloods then post pct bloods and 4 weeks after PCT bloods for my log.
 
Hemavo2 MAX by Iforce gets my vote

PLUSSSSS

They just re did the formula
 
Thats alot of overboard dosing and overlapped products. So between the three were looking a 900mg Long Jack, 250mg DHAA, 135mg Forskolin and a huge dose of Ash. Not to mention all the other ingredients as well. All this at 175lbs will be hugely expensive and overkill by a lot!

Anyway jsut thought that should be mentioned, for non-stim check out High Volume by PES or Hemavol by Iforce.
 
Adizzle1 said:
Thats incredibly overboard dosing and overlapped products. So between the three were looking a 900mg Long Jack, 250mg DHAA, 135mg Forskolin and a huge dose of Ash. Not to mention all the other ingredients as well. All this at 175lbs will be hugely expensive and overkill by a lot!
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I've been using longjack for a while and used to by mine over seas with a 600mg 200:1 extract so my TKA tolerance is high. Also the reason for the high DHAA is because im feeling some high Estro and looking to nip it in the bud also im a big fan of forskolin but this is also my first time dosing forskolin that high. Yeah i know its a lot expense wise ect i just want to make sure i have a good recovery as im trying a natty PCT but have clomid on deck incase. Whats your suggestion?
 
Conquer Unleashed Stim free is great. It's on par with High Volume which I really like as well, but has some added focus ingredients and adaptogens. Greats pumps, focus, and mood without heavy stim effects.
 
Adizzle1 said:
Thats alot of overboard dosing and overlapped products. So between the three were looking a 900mg Long Jack, 250mg DHAA, 135mg Forskolin and a huge dose of Ash. Not to mention all the other ingredients as well. All this at 175lbs will be hugely expensive and overkill by a lot!

Anyway jsut thought that should be mentioned, for non-stim check out High Volume by PES or Hemavol by Iforce.
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I always appreciate advice and mention, to be honest when it comes to my PCTs i go overboard im lucky enough to be able to spend this kind of money on supplements and take my health very seriously, but ive gotten gyno flare ups from testruction alone thats why im comfortable with all the DHAA and hey Ash helps me sleep so all pluses, but whats overkill? DHAA isnt gonna crush estro i found it all to be pretty synergistic?
 
Jebrook said:
Conquer Unleashed Stim free is great. It's on par with High Volume which I really like as well, but has some added focus ingredients and adaptogens. Greats pumps, focus, and mood without heavy stim effects.
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Im a big fan of OL i use to use Conquer Unleashed stim version but it had me tweaked so now im looking more for a pumped feel than a wired feel! Believe me im a huge OL advocate i had a 17 Ib gain and lost 3-4% body fat on my first ever cycle with OL UK's LGD **** was legit, and my dick never went down 24/7 boners like viagra level lasting for hours
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Im a big fan of OL i use to use Conquer Unleashed stim version but it had me tweaked so now im looking more for a pumped feel than a wired feel! Believe me im a huge OL advocate i had a 17 Ib gain and lost 3-4% body fat on my first ever cycle with OL UK's LGD **** was legit, and my dick never went down 24/7 boners like viagra level lasting for hours
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We appreciate your support and stoked that you've had success. The stim-free gives a great PWO boost without having you wired for hours. I can sleep shortly after. I alternate between it and HV for nonstim days. For stim days I use CU, mesomorph, and Perform Kinetics.
 
Jebrook said:
We appreciate your support and stoked that you've had success. The stim-free gives a great PWO boost without having you wired for hours. I can sleep shortly after. I alternate between it and HV for nonstim days. For stim days I use CU, mesomorph, and Perform Kinetics.
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Think ill try it out, im a big of ElevATP and do what you do with hemavo2 and CU 1 day with one 1 day with the other and alternate.
 
Hemavo2 Max...chalk up another vote!


1g KNO3 + 3g HydroMax = INSANE PUMPS
Amentoflavone = strength enhancement
Choline + Sceletium = unrivaled non-stim focus/intensity
 
VaughnTrue said:
Hemavo2 Max...chalk up another vote!


1g KNO3 + 3g HydroMax = INSANE PUMPS
Amentoflavone = strength enhancement
Choline + Sceletium = unrivaled non-stim focus/intensity
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I just ordered some when the formula was linked, love the formula. Thanks for the input cant wait to try it out!
 
Great choice, I look forward to seeing how you like H2. You might have gotten the older formula for it though, but it's still a fantastic product.
 
VaughnTrue said:
where did you order from? i don't believe the new formula is available in lemon drop yet :(
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LOL you're right, probably should've check the description given. Was a little trigger happy. I guess ill buy 1 of the new and 1 of the old to test the difference, you know who's selling the new formula?
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
LOL you're right, probably should've check the description given. Was a little trigger happy. I guess ill buy 1 of the new and 1 of the old to test the difference, you know who's selling the new formula?
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it JUST came out, so I only know of iforcenutrition.com as 100% lock.

If you buy from there, use VAUGHN20 and get 20% off the listed price :)
 
compan said:
Great choice, I look forward to seeing how you like H2. You might have gotten the older formula for it though, but it's still a fantastic product.
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VaughnTrue said:
it JUST came out, so I only know of iforcenutrition.com as 100% lock.

If you buy from there, use VAUGHN20 and get 20% off the listed price :)
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Ahh that explains it, went to my usual provider and saw the name "hemaVO2" and went trigger happy lol, at least ill have 2 good formulas though because the old one is still nice! Okay awesome from the site itself nice.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Ahh that explains it, went to my usual provider and saw the name "hemaVO2" and went trigger happy lol, at least ill have 2 good formulas though because the old one is still nice! Okay awesome from the site itself nice.
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The Hemavol line has been so consistently good since the start, you can't really go wrong with any version.
 
compan said:
The Hemavol line has been so consistently good since the start, you can't really go wrong with any version.
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Yeah the one i ordered still has Choline, DMAE, Citrulline which i love for pumps and the HydroMax ill post how i feel on the 2 in my log im gonna put up towards the end of this week when the stack starts!
 
forgive my ignorance, can you link me to the nutritional panel? I am not familiar with LGD
 
VaughnTrue said:
forgive my ignorance, can you link me to the nutritional panel? I am not familiar with LGD
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Not ignorant man we're all here to learn, im sure you know way more than me as im new. LGD is a sarm it's Ligandrol-4033 its considered the most suppressive sarm. Nutritional panel as in product label or? I got in oral form as OL UK L3gend
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Not ignorant man we're all here to learn, im sure you know way more than me as im new. LGD is a sarm it's Ligandrol-4033 its considered the most suppressive sarm. Nutritional panel as in product label or? I got in oral form as OL UK L3gend
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oh, no wonder why I was clueless, I am not a SARM fan.


No, adding the Clomid is not overkill. It's a fail proof safety net
 
VaughnTrue said:
oh, no wonder why I was clueless, I am not a SARM fan.


No, adding the Clomid is not overkill. It's a fail proof safety net
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It was just a starter cycle, to wet my feet as i read that SARMs are safer however im not sure how much i believe that. Thanks for the help and the discount code!
 
my pleasure brother. really hope you enjoy it.

I'll get an email when you place your order, so I'll keep my eyes peeled!
 
clomid is all that is needed to begin with...
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
I know that but im doing low low dose im sensitive to clomid, prolly like 25mg maybe even 17.5mg (liquid solution) Not sure all i know is i turn into a bitch with clomid.
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dont use RC grade SERMs, please. just go pharm grade. shoot me a PM if you need help finding legal access.
 
Misfit28 said:
Wait, are you cutting in PCT?
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Im going at it as sortve a minimizing PCT fat gain angle. Im going to eat excess calories in PCT so that my body can support hormone synthesis but also using forskolin ect to keep thyroid active and keep fat gain minimal. Is this the wrong approach?
 
There are many good options for non stim pre workouts. Noxygen, NooPump, Hemavol and High Volume are some that come to mind.

Another option, which may be overlooked due to the name, is CreMax XT. Yes, it is a creatine product, but could also serve as a pre workout product as well. The amento, TMG and creatine will boost performance. Hydromax can increase your pump and there are various ingredients to help keep you hydrated.
 
Another vote for iForce Hemavo2. I consistently use the first version and the updated version is coming to me shortly which I'm excited about. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on both versions, especially the updated one.
 
TrainerTone said:
Another vote for iForce Hemavo2. I consistently use the first version and the updated version is coming to me shortly which I'm excited about. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on both versions, especially the updated one.
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I must say I'm impressed. First dose today, and I really enjoyed it!

That and Stim Free Conqu3r Unleashed are my favorites right now.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Im a big fan of OL i use to use Conquer Unleashed stim version but it had me tweaked so now im looking more for a pumped feel than a wired feel! Believe me im a huge OL advocate i had a 17 Ib gain and lost 3-4% body fat on my first ever cycle with OL UK's LGD **** was legit, and my dick never went down 24/7 boners like viagra level lasting for hours
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Dam son! You gained 17 lbs only from 6w LGD?! What was your daily cal intake, like 10k? ;) I gained just a few lbs on a 8w cycle.
 
DonnieM said:
Dam son! You gained 17 lbs only from 6w LGD?! What was your daily cal intake, like 10k? ;) I gained just a few lbs on a 8w cycle.
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It was my first ever cycle I was workin out 6 days a week 3 hours a day getting 7-10 hours of sleep and calories ramped from 3k to 4K over the run I was strict as if I'm gonna hormonally mess myself up make the best of it :)
 
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