Best martial art?

I love Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and would say its the best for the ground. IMO best standup is Muay Thai Kickboxing. The 2 combined are lethal.
 
glenihan said:
female pillow fighting or perhaps female oil wrestling
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no, no, no. you've got it all wrong try female jello wrestling. saw it at a party one time it was great. :head:
 
if all the grand masters of every martial art were in a
cage match ..what style would come out on top? like i said before
i think brazilian jiujitsu would easily take on most of the different styles,
because once a bjj fighter gets you on the ground its done....muay thai and jeet kun do
would be pretty crazy too
 
I think it is impossible to pick one art over all the others. Each has strengths and weaknesses.
 
hapkido seems like its way to defensive....but i knew a kid who
took it and he could tear some **** up
 
Kristopher said:
Vale tudo.. they did put all the martial arts masters in a cage and royce gracie beat em all :D
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Those were martial arts masters? lol Vale Tudo isn't really an art per se, so I'd side with mma. It incorporates aspects from Judo, wrestling, Muay Thai, Sambo, bjj, etc. The experience, skill and abilities of a practioner are far more important than the art in which they train. Of course the ultimate martial art is Krav Maga, just ask any practioner and they'll set you straight. :)
 
I have a MMA gym near me, they teach Kali, Muay Thai, and Gracie BJJ. I'm thinking about taking up a few classes
 
I would have to say tai chi chuan- dead serious, wow is all I have to say about it if the person knows what they are doing. brazilian jiujitsu is awesome for one on one competition, but it is terrible on the streets, just think of a situation with multiple attackers, tie someone up in a grappling lock and get a bar stool smashed into the back of your head...engagement is not a good thing in a steet fight
 
Combat Ki.

Able to withstand kicks the groin and blows to the throat and all deadly points on human body.

Real cool and deadly.
 
faustus said:
Combat Ki.

Able to withstand kicks the groin and blows to the throat and all deadly points on human body.

Real cool and deadly.
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Forgive me, but :lol: I'm not signing up in a martial arts class where we take turns kickin' each others nutz! LOL.

I'd have a hard time naming one because certain ma's will work better for certain people. I.E. I can box and grapple but my legs are so inflexible I could never be a great with my legs. But, I'll give a list of things I"d like to take to give myself a well-rounded set of fighting skills.

Stand up:
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Western Boxing & Muay Thai mix

Grappling:
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Wrestling & BJJ mix

A combination of those four, IMHO, would make most people really capable fighters.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Forgive me, but :lol: I'm not signing up in a martial arts class where we take turns kickin' each others nutz! LOL.

I'd have a hard time naming one because certain ma's will work better for certain people. I.E. I can box and grapple but my legs are so inflexible I could never be a great with my legs. But, I'll give a list of things I"d like to take to give myself a well-rounded set of fighting skills.

Stand up:
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Western Boxing & Muay Thai mix

Grappling:
---------
Wrestling & BJJ mix

A combination of those four, IMHO, would make most people really capable fighters.
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kwyckemynd00 said:
Stand up:
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Western Boxing & Muay Thai mix

Grappling:
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Wrestling & BJJ mix

A combination of those four, IMHO, would make most people really capable fighters.
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A near perfect mix, IMO, and the integration of certain elements those pretty much defines modern MMA. Whatever you train though, needs to be trained live and with sparring, rather than just drills and patterns.
 
intv said:
A near perfect mix, IMO, and the integration of certain elements those pretty much defines modern MMA. Whatever you train though, needs to be trained live and with sparring, rather than just drills and patterns.
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You look at any high level MMA fighter, and those are the skills they utilize, alot of times they will be at an elite level in 1 of the 4 disciplines, but skilled in the other 3.

think yoshida, chuck lidell, fedor, crop cop, nog, bj penn
 
Kristopher said:
You look at any high level MMA fighter, and those are the skills they utilize, alot of times they will be at an elite level in 1 of the 4 disciplines, but skilled in the other 3.

think yoshida, chuck lidell, fedor, crop cop, nog, bj penn
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IMO Chuck's ground game is sub-par. He's very good at keeping the fight from going to the ground, but not good at grappling.
 
size said:
I think it is impossible to pick one art over all the others. Each has strengths and weaknesses.
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Exactly, the best style is to be without a style. The martial artist who understands both the strengths and weaknesses of the various styles but does not limit himself to one, has the best style...it's all about being fluid.
 
stryder said:
Exactly, the best style is to be without a style. The martial artist who understands both the strengths and weaknesses of the various styles but does not limit himself to one, has the best style...it's all about being fluid.
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Which is what Jeet Kun Do is all about. Be like water, formless.
 
"Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind."
 
I find it amusing about the level political correctness here.
Why is it so hard to admit that some martial arts are more suitable as a healthy physical activity and not combat effective for MMA or self-defense?

JKD? Its a principle, not a MA.
TKD? No punches to the face, no low kicks, no attacking the 'back-side'.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Stand up:
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Western Boxing & Muay Thai mix

Grappling:
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Wrestling & BJJ mix

A combination of those four, IMHO, would make most people really capable fighters.
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The reality of kicking is that it's not all that great. Mixed martial arts these days is more and more starting to resemble a fusion of boxing and wrestling, with a few chokes added in. Very rarely you will see someone get caught wildly off guard with a head kick, and a lot of guys these days are countering leg kicks with "pre-emptive" punches. On the ground, submissions aren't seen very often as they tend to take a long time to set up and are easily counterd if you know what the hell is going on. The only submission which is commonly seen these days is the rear naked choke, since that's insanely hard to get out of if someone has your back. Most of the time now a days if the fight goes to the ground, one guy will try and work the guard, and wear his opponent down while the other guy tries to pass the guard, mount and ground'n'pound, until someone stands up. Elbows and knees are useful but you can't knee to the head while your opponent is down, and IIRC there are some restrictions on elbows too. It's a shame there are rules against head butts too :(

So these days, if you know how to box and wrestle, and you know how to *DEFEND* against kicks and submissions, you will do just fine.
 
I think we need to make a difference between MMA and self defense. There are rules in any type of competition that limit what you can do. MMA is not really no holds barred as people like to refer to it as. If I was fighting for my life I'd be biting, gouging out an eye or giving shots to the groin.
Everyone has a different reason or goal for doing martial arts or a particular style. The best martial art for one person may not be the best for another.
I remember a quote from somewhere that said "It only takes a short time to become a fighter but a lifetime to become a martial artist"
 
exnihilo said:
The reality of kicking is that it's not all that great. Mixed martial arts these days is more and more starting to resemble a fusion of boxing and wrestling, with a few chokes added in. Very rarely you will see someone get caught wildly off guard with a head kick, and a lot of guys these days are countering leg kicks with "pre-emptive" punches. On the ground, submissions aren't seen very often as they tend to take a long time to set up and are easily counterd if you know what the hell is going on. The only submission which is commonly seen these days is the rear naked choke, since that's insanely hard to get out of if someone has your back. Most of the time now a days if the fight goes to the ground, one guy will try and work the guard, and wear his opponent down while the other guy tries to pass the guard, mount and ground'n'pound, until someone stands up. Elbows and knees are useful but you can't knee to the head while your opponent is down, and IIRC there are some restrictions on elbows too. It's a shame there are rules against head butts too :(

So these days, if you know how to box and wrestle, and you know how to *DEFEND* against kicks and submissions, you will do just fine.
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very true, but most people in a street fight do not expect the thai kick to the inner and outter thigh muscle and how quickly it will put a halt to all other hostilities. ;)
 
Kajukenbo = blend of Karate, Jujutsu, Kenpo and Chinese Boxing (Kung Fu).
Very effective in the streets. I do use kicks but they are generally below the waist, knees, shins, groing, thighs, etc. Many of my submission moves are joint locks and arm bars which I use to control an attacker and even use him to create a barrier between other attackers. (staying on my feet)

That being said, I agree that what is best for one is not best for all.
 
asianid said:
I think we need to make a difference between MMA and self defense. There are rules in any type of competition that limit what you can do. MMA is not really no holds barred as people like to refer to it as. If I was fighting for my life I'd be biting, gouging out an eye or giving shots to the groin.
Everyone has a different reason or goal for doing martial arts or a particular style. The best martial art for one person may not be the best for another.
I remember a quote from somewhere that said "It only takes a short time to become a fighter but a lifetime to become a martial artist"
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MMA is a much better base for self-defense than a traditional MA. Eg. A boxer has a much better delivery system for such techniques. Traditional MA were rudely exposed when MMA came on the scene.

The lifetime saying probably originated from the need to retain paying students for the triple boat loans and holidays.
 
If I had to pick just one, I'd say sambo/judo. Great groundwork like BJJ, but they can control where the fight goes better(takedowns/throws).
 
It’s not the style that is the most important, it is how effectively the practitioner applies that style to a combat situation.
 
To become the ultimate martial artist - i reckon you need to train for a while boxing (for hand work) and muay thai for standup phase - then judo to take the opponent down from the clinch and then some BJJ on the ground to submit him.
If I had to pick just one martial art for just self defense I would choose Krav Maga - its like they took the nastiest, dirtiest and most simple and effective techniques from all martila arts and combined them into a "style".
 
diminuendo said:
Then how come nobody wins fights with capoeira or tai chi?
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Because like many styles out their they have been watered down for one reason or another to a flashy little number to get the most paying customer through the door as possible. This is not true martial arts.



Mas Oyama could apply his art to a combat situation almost effortlessly



http://www.uskyokushin.com/sosai.htm
 
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