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Best Legal PCT Supps?

Force of Green said:
I don't know why everyone keeps saying, "use resveratrol instead of a SERM," or,"SERMs aren't as safe as using resveratrol for post cycle therapy" etc... Resveratrol is a goddam SERM (capital letters to pronounce the acronym). The difference is that Resveratrol is NATURAL and has many other extremely cool benefits as opposed to stage 1,2, and 3 (or generation) breast cancer meds that are created to help control breast cancer proliferation without much regards to side effects. If someone has breast cancer, which is obviously deadly, they aren't as concerned with the sides as they are concerned about keeping certain estrogens at bay.

Fact: Nolva, Toremifene, etc. are SERMs
Fact: Resveratrol is a SERM in addition to many other things
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Fact: Nolvadex has known side effects and toxicity issues and Toremifene may have some issues as well, although not as pronounced as Nolva
Fact: Resveratrol has more benefits and no known sides if the product is pure.
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Logical induction: Resveratrol outweighs breast cancer meds on all fronts.

There's a new PCT guy in town. The name is resveratrol. It's time for a change; Let's start wisening up and begin the revolution.
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Thanks!. I didn't that product was actually a SERM. Definitely would like to see a log with bloodwork where someone uses either POST CYCLE SUPPORT or Sustain as their only PCT product. I would definitely watch that log!.
 
Force of Green said:
I don't know why everyone keeps saying, "use resveratrol instead of a SERM," or,"SERMs aren't as safe as using resveratrol for post cycle therapy" etc... Resveratrol is a goddam SERM (capital letters to pronounce the acronym). The difference is that Resveratrol is NATURAL and has many other extremely cool benefits as opposed to stage 1,2, and 3 (or generation) breast cancer meds that are created to help control breast cancer proliferation without much regards to side effects. If someone has breast cancer, which is obviously deadly, they aren't as concerned with the sides as they are concerned about keeping certain estrogens at bay.

Fact: Nolva, Toremifene, etc. are SERMs
Fact: Resveratrol is a SERM in addition to many other things
*****
Fact: Nolvadex has known side effects and toxicity issues and Toremifene may have some issues as well, although not as pronounced as Nolva
Fact: Resveratrol has more benefits and no known sides if the product is pure.
*****
Logical induction: Resveratrol outweighs breast cancer meds on all fronts.

There's a new PCT guy in town. The name is resveratrol. It's time for a change; Let's start wisening up and begin the revolution.
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:goodpost: Lol, I noticed that people not calling Res a SERM is starting to get at ya!

I used Sustain only with a small dose of nolva. These products are great, innovative, and effective. There are guys on PP's forum that have come of TRT and long term AAS use using sustain with great results (and a few have bloodwork to support).
 
There wouldn't be problems stacking Sustain and Post Cycle Support would there? Looks to me like they would go great together.
 
T-Bone said:
I thought the point was to avoid the toxic chemicals...
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yes but a very low dose of torem isnt as toxic as a normal dose and Sustain is still new and i think he would probably feel safer running a low dose of torem along with it just to be safe
 
drewh10987 said:
yes but a very low dose of torem isnt as toxic as a normal dose and Sustain is still new and i think he would probably feel safer running a low dose of torem along with it just to be safe
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:blink: thats EXACTLY what i was thinking!! that is the EXACT sentence i was going to write as well. weird!
 
drewh10987 said:
There wouldn't be problems stacking Sustain and Post Cycle Support would there? Looks to me like they would go great together.
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No problems at all, looks like a GREAT Post Cycle Therapy Stack.


CROWLER
 
Force of Green said:
I don't know why everyone keeps saying, "use resveratrol instead of a SERM," or,"SERMs aren't as safe as using resveratrol for post cycle therapy" etc... Resveratrol is a goddam SERM (capital letters to pronounce the acronym). The difference is that Resveratrol is NATURAL and has many other extremely cool benefits as opposed to stage 1,2, and 3 (or generation) breast cancer meds that are created to help control breast cancer proliferation without much regards to side effects. If someone has breast cancer, which is obviously deadly, they aren't as concerned with the sides as they are concerned about keeping certain estrogens at bay.

Fact: Nolva, Toremifene, etc. are SERMs
Fact: Resveratrol is a SERM in addition to many other things
*****
Fact: Nolvadex has known side effects and toxicity issues and Toremifene may have some issues as well, although not as pronounced as Nolva
Fact: Resveratrol has more benefits and no known sides if the product is pure.
*****
Logical induction: Resveratrol outweighs breast cancer meds on all fronts.

There's a new PCT guy in town. The name is resveratrol. It's time for a change; Let's start wisening up and begin the revolution.
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Great post FOG!

I call it a SERM cause it is a SERM, just new thats all. I will be using it for my next PCT with pre and post bloodwork so guys keep ur eyes open! BTW its going to be for a Halodrol solo cycle I am talking about a good cycle lol.
 
Sweetness! I am going to run Post Cycle Support solo at 4 caps morning and 4 caps evening or even 6 caps morning and 6 caps evening. Hoping to get some killer test boost at that dose of transresveratrol and some awesome age delaying effects.

Can't wait to see the bloodwork and all too. Coolio.
 
Force of Green said:
Sweetness! I am going to run Post Cycle Support solo at 4 caps morning and 4 caps evening or even 6 caps morning and 6 caps evening. Hoping to get some killer test boost at that dose of transresveratrol and some awesome age delaying effects.

Can't wait to see the bloodwork and all too. Coolio.
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I was thinking of giving that product a solo run too, I will get and try it out later down the road. Yeah U got to stay looking young to be a model. U are a model right?

I want to give a huge shot out to Eric with PP for letting try this product out for PCT. Can't wait til I get it. I told him I will be thanking til its over lol.
 
UNCfan1 said:
I was thinking of giving that product a solo run too, I will get and try it out later down the road. Yeah U got to stay looking young to be a model. U are a model right?

I want to give a huge shot out to Eric with PP for letting try this product out for post cycle therapy. Can't wait til I get it. I told him I will be thanking til its over lol.
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damn where do i apply for a log!?? lol i wonder if it'll get me covered and started back up after a 12 week test cycle??
 
sfearl1 said:
damn where do i apply for a log!?? lol i wonder if it'll get me covered and started back up after a 12 week test cycle??
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I told him what a crappy product I thought it was and he told me to try it out.










































I kid I just begged the **** out of him for it.
 
UNCfan1 said:
I was thinking of giving that product a solo run too, I will get and try it out later down the road. Yeah U got to stay looking young to be a model. U are a model right?

I want to give a huge shot out to Eric with PP for letting try this product out for post cycle therapy. Can't wait til I get it. I told him I will be thanking til its over lol.
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Hey bro. Yeah... a model amongst other things.... I just do it for a hobby. I was at Hollywood Shop Til you Drop runway event this past Sunday, and I did test shots for Men's Health on Monday... I want to get on a damn health magazine cover (wishful thinking).

Can't wait to see your results with resveratrol for PCT and solo. I'll list my supplements and try to do a good job keeping updates. I'm using a good multi, mineral, adaptogen, anti-oxidant stack and Drive right now. Nothing else. I plan on keeping it this way. I'm also using Swell, but I'm going to just use Poseidon and start Carnage instead for beta alanine. I'm also using Sustain, but I'm almost out! Damn.
 
I keep changing my PCT for my Bold/SD cycle everyday.

1. Torem+AX Retain2+AX Advanced PCT

or would

2. Reservatrol+Torem be enough?
 
DavidCream said:
I keep changing my post cycle therapy for my Bold/superdrol cycle everyday.

1. Torem+AX Retain2+AX Advanced PCT

or would

2. Reservatrol+Torem be enough?
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I don't get your changeups here. Retain 2 modulates cortisol and the psychological after-effects of a cycle (low testosterone can equal depression in many)... Resveratrol and Torem are both SERMs, so why take both? IMO, it would be like saying, "Hey is Nolva and Torem ok?"

Either do this:

1. Resveratrol and Retain 2 (Run the Retain 2 at 4 caps a day, not 3)

or...

2. Torem and Retain 2

Drop the Advanced PCT completely.
 
Both dermacrine sustain and POST Cycle Support already have Resveratrol in them.


CROWLER
 
Force of Green said:
I don't get your changeups here. Retain 2 modulates cortisol and the psychological after-effects of a cycle (low testosterone can equal depression in many)... Resveratrol and Torem are both SERMs, so why take both? IMO, it would be like saying, "Hey is Nolva and Torem ok?"

Either do this:

1. Resveratrol and Retain 2 (Run the Retain 2 at 4 caps a day, not 3)

or...

2. Torem and Retain 2

Drop the Advanced post cycle therapy completely.
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Yeah, I see exactly what you're saying, actually i dont understand how i thought that at the time i posted. thanks for the info and why drop the AX aPCT?
 
Force of Green said:
I don't get your changeups here. Retain 2 modulates cortisol and the psychological after-effects of a cycle (low testosterone can equal depression in many)... Resveratrol and Torem are both SERMs, so why take both? IMO, it would be like saying, "Hey is Nolva and Torem ok?"

Either do this:

1. Resveratrol and Retain 2 (Run the Retain 2 at 4 caps a day, not 3)

or...

2. Torem and Retain 2

Drop the Advanced post cycle therapy completely.
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i could've sworn you said you were running torem and sustain in your current post cycle?? am i wrong?
 
DavidCream said:
Yeah, I see exactly what you're saying, actually i dont understand how i thought that at the time i posted. thanks for the info and why drop the AX aPCT?
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Without the AI, you're better off IMO. Estrogen has some positive balancing effects and those are able to be expressed while using a SERM. An AI like 6-bromo is not selective and there was debate about it converting to 6-bromo-test and of course being suppressive.
 
sfearl1 said:
i could've sworn you said you were running torem and sustain in your current post cycle?? am i wrong?
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I had been prepared with torem and used it for 3 days at 120 mg at night... I've been learning more and more about resveratrol and I'm sure that we can all recall this compound not being as hyped as it is now, even a couple months ago. With resveratrol being introduced as a PCT alternative to these research chemicals, I figured I'd be better safe than sorry... not to mention that there was extremely little feedback on Sustain at the time except me trusting the word of the company rep/owner. I said, "screw it," and used Sustain at a double dose and Retain 2, tapered off X-Lean, and started Drive.
 
Force of Green said:
I had been prepared with torem and used it for 3 days at 120 mg at night... I've been learning more and more about resveratrol and I'm sure that we can all recall this compound not being as hyped as it is now, even a couple months ago. With resveratrol being introduced as a post cycle therapy alternative to these research chemicals, I figured I'd be better safe than sorry... not to mention that there was extremely little feedback on Sustain at the time except me trusting the word of the company rep/owner. I said, "screw it," and used Sustain at a double dose and Retain 2, tapered off X-Lean, and started Drive.
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gotcha. i'll be using sustain, low dose torem (if needed), drive, retain 2, and an ai for my current test cycle i'm on.
 
sfearl1 said:
gotcha. i'll be using sustain, low dose torem (if needed), drive, retain 2, and an ai for my current test cycle i'm on.
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Sweetness. I honestly don't think you'll need torem or an ai, but if I were going to address all the pathways and use an AI, I'd use:

Dermacrine Sustain
E-Form
7-Cort
Drive

E-Form will not cause suppression unless in high doses due to conversion of OH-Test, but will increase IGF and upregulate the HPTA.
 
Force of Green said:
Sweetness. I honestly don't think you'll need torem or an ai, but if I were going to address all the pathways and use an AI, I'd use:

Dermacrine Sustain
E-Form
7-Cort
Drive

E-Form will not cause suppression unless in high doses due to conversion of OH-Test, but will increase IGF and upregulate the HPTA.
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That looks real good Force.

Good luck with getting on mens health, I love that mag. I can read it and be like hey I know that guy.
 
UNCfan1 said:
That looks real good Force.

Good luck with getting on mens health, I love that mag. I can read it and be like hey I know that guy.
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Sweetness! Thanks UNCfan, I am staying positive and crossing my fingers. I don't have the bodybuilder type build persay and I'm still progressing... I am not stressing over dieting and whatnot, but this is what I look like on any given day.
 

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