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Best for pure strength

Danimozz said:
Couple of questions for you... Dplex looks very good... 1 is it a harsh compound that is hard on body
2 will it cause hard shutdown
3 does it aromatize (wet or dry)
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All the ones that give insane strenght are going to be harsh in some way and cause testicular atrophy. Sorry to burst your.bubble but the only way you'll get "super man in a bottle" is to take a harsh,size giving,shutty downy Ph. Why no size wanted? Liver friendly phs/ds /aas that give good strenght gains are rare. I know only of alpha mass alpha bulk andromass androbulk trenazone androgel cheque drops halotestin testocaps. Primo tabs mite be okay. But you could inject and have a lot more options
 
pyrobatt said:
All the ones that give insane strenght are going to be harsh in some way and cause testicular atrophy. Sorry to burst your.bubble but the only way you'll get "super man in a bottle" is to take a harsh,size giving,shutty downy Ph. Why no size wanted? Liver friendly phs/ds /aas that give good strenght gains are rare. I know only of alpha mass alpha bulk andromass androbulk trenazone androgel cheque drops halotestin testocaps. Primo tabs mite be okay. But you could inject and have a lot more options
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I am in a weight class that's why
 
Danimozz said:
I am in a weight class that's why
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What sport? I don't think ostraine is tested for yet. It is mild yet some strenght is there. Also lubes up joints. Dosent aromataze, dosent pack on too much size (6 lbs at 8 weeks is commen) plus it is very minimally suppressive. Otc pct will do. Gotta love 24 hour half life. Less expensive at research sites vs ostra rx.I suggest it because its also a great rehab drug. For injurys
 
pyrobatt said:
What sport? I don't think ostraine is tested for yet. It is mild yet some strenght is there. Also lubes up joints. Dosent aromataze, dosent pack on too much size (6 lbs at 8 weeks is commen) plus it is very minimally suppressive. Otc pct will do. Gotta love 24 hour half life. Less expensive at research sites vs ostra rx.I suggest it because its also a great rehab drug. For injurys
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Wrestling
 
Danimozz said:
Wrestling
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Ostraine is also good for pushing vo2max. Endurance is another benefit
 
Danimozz said:
I am in a weight class that's why
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As a powerlifter I usually stick to a certain weight class, too. I'm one of those guys who seems to respond well to oral PHs (except epi for some reason). I usually cyle before my meet so I have a week or two to cut down if necessary without sacrificing strength (I lift in tested divisions most of the time). I have recenty been exploring the Halotestin route; sides appear to suck but I've read some good stuff about strength gains associated with it.

Also, if you're a wrestler, aren't you subject to testing? Just curious...
 
TheDeadlifter said:
As a powerlifter I usually stick to a certain weight class, too. I'm one of those guys who seems to respond well to oral PHs (except epi for some reason). I usually cyle before my meet so I have a week or two to cut down if necessary without sacrificing strength (I lift in tested divisions most of the time). I have recenty been exploring the Halotestin route; sides appear to suck but I've read some good stuff about strength gains associated with it.

Also, if you're a wrestler, aren't you subject to testing? Just curious...
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Na it's random
Testing and I've never hear of anyone being tested. The steroid tests are expensive anyway so I'm not worried at all about testing. Halotestin is very expensive is the only problem. I'm thinking of doing 10 or 20 mg daily. Looking to go more like 10 because of how toxic it is. Think I'll still see good strength gains from 10?
 
Danimozz said:
Na it's random testing and I've never hear of anyone being tested. The steroid tests are expensive anyway so I'm not worried at all about testing. Halotestin is very expensive is the only problem. I'm thinking of doing 10 or 20 mg daily. Looking to go more like 10 because of how toxic it is. Think I'll still see good strength gains from 10?
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Be sure to do your research. Read from reputable sources - you know how much garbage is online.
 
Danimozz said:
True. I wanna do epi but I don't wanna gain mass
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Epi can be used for recomp where you don't gain much weight at all. I don't respond to it so I can't comment from personal experience. SD can also be used @ 10mg/day for 6 weeks with minimal weight gain and minimal sides, but decent strength gains.
 
TheDeadlifter said:
Epi can be used for recomp where you don't gain much weight at all. I don't respond to it so I can't comment from personal experience. SD can also be used @ 10mg/day for 6 weeks with minimal weight gain and minimal sides, but decent strength gains.
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As I have some epi I think I'll just do epi with low cals
 
howwedo107 said:
When you watch some intense power lifters you will see some of them get nose bleeds well I'd bet 9/10 halotest is the cause
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Agreed.. doesn't help they are also on a **** load of test and usually popping dbol and abombs as well.
 
ripped_one said:
Agreed.. doesn't help they are also on a **** load of test and usually popping dbol and abombs as well.
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Pretty sure abombs are blood thickeners which make it harder to get nosebleeds
 
ripped_one said:
Agreed.. doesn't help they are also on a **** load of test and usually popping dbol and abombs as well.
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Although I know Halotestin is used by some of the elite PLers, that is not the only cause of nose bleeds. I usually compete raw, but have used and still own competitive gear. That sh!t squeezes the hell of you. I've had a bloody nose once from my bench shirt and broken blood vessels in my face a few times from my deadlift suit... and I wasn't on Halotestin.
 
TheDeadlifter said:
Although I know Halotestin is used by some of the elite PLers, that is not the only cause of nose bleeds. I usually compete raw, but have used and still own competitive gear. That sh!t squeezes the hell of you. I've had a bloody nose once from my bench shirt and broken blood vessels in my face a few times from my deadlift suit... and I wasn't on Halotestin.
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Jesus. Can you say too tight?
 
Danimozz said:
Jesus. Can you say too tight?
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Nope. Just the nature of the beast. Lifting gear is NOT for everyone. There's a whole lot more to it than putting it on and hitting a new PR. It's brutally painful and takes a hell of a lot of training to get used to it.
 
Danimozz said:
I am in a weight class that's why
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honetly fluoxy is your best bet, its gonna be ass pain to find but it has a short half life so recovery is fine and it raises aggresion for a couple hours aftrer taking it. and before EPO was around cyclists even wanted it cause it raises your epo levels by antagonizing the enzyme that changes cortisone to cortisol so it reduces inflamation as well and has a estrogen lowering effect that can help you shed water weight.

if you cant find fluoxy or want to abide by the law then epistane is your best bet by far as long as you can eat healthy cuz it makes you suuper hungry after a while.

high dose pstanz is not gonna put alot of wieght on and will raise your strength and if you combine that with low dose epistane you will cut up and your appetite wont make you go crazy
 
astheticking said:
honetly fluoxy is your best bet, its gonna be ass pain to find but it has a short half life so recovery is fine and it raises aggresion for a couple hours aftrer taking it. and before EPO was around cyclists even wanted it cause it raises your epo levels by antagonizing the enzyme that changes cortisone to cortisol so it reduces inflamation as well and has a estrogen lowering effect that can help you shed water weight.

if you cant find fluoxy or want to abide by the law then epistane is your best bet by far as long as you can eat healthy cuz it makes you suuper hungry after a while.

high dose pstanz is not gonna put alot of wieght on and will raise your strength and if you combine that with low dose epistane you will cut up and your appetite wont make you go crazy
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Honestly I think I'm just gonna keep pulsing epi. My strength is increasing big time and I haven't gained too much weight. The strength is consistent so I'm just gonna order another bottle in a week when this ones done. Then I'll follow up with nolva 20/20/20 just to be safe
 
Danimozz said:
I've been pulsing epi and gotten "ok" strength gains but I might order more epi and do a real cycle
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Danimozz said:
Honestly I think I'm just gonna keep pulsing epi. My strength is increasing big time and I haven't gained too much weight. The strength is consistent so I'm just gonna order another bottle in a week when this ones done. Then I'll follow up with nolva 20/20/20 just to be safe
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A bit of a contradiction, no?
 
Danimozz said:
Things I've read
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Others experiences are just that: another person's experience with a compound. Two people may or may not react the same to a particular compound and on-paper does not compare to actual experience. For example, some people get terrible lethargy from SD and others do not.
 
Rodja said:
Others experiences are just that: another person's experience with a compound. Two people may or may not react the same to a particular compound and on-paper does not compare to actual experience. For example, some people get terrible lethargy from SD and others do not.
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Well when every log I've ever seen of sd and dbol says intense strength gains it makes sense to conclude that I would react the same in that aspect.
 
Danimozz said:
Well when every log I've ever seen of sd and dbol says intense strength gains it makes sense to conclude that I would react the same in that aspect.
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Orals by nature are not going to do that much because they cannot be run long enough to solidify the strength gains and you should know that gym strength=/mat strength. Also, the last thing you need is to be suppressed or in PCT once practice starts.
 
Danimozz said:
Couple of questions for you... Dplex looks very good... 1 is it a harsh compound that is hard on body
2 will it cause hard shutdown
3 does it aromatize (wet or dry)
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D plex is methyl dht, in active until the oximine group is hydrolyzed.
 
jbryand101b said:
D plex is methyl dht, in active until the oximine group is hydrolyzed.
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This.
 
Danimozz said:
I'll be done pct by the season
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Notice how I said practice and not season. Bottom line, you're risking going into the season with shot hormones since your training volume will substantially increase once practice begins and your body will not have nearly as much recovery time plus you're going to be concurrently trying to lose weight.
 
Rodja said:
Notice how I said practice and not season. Bottom line, you're risking going into the season with shot hormones since your training volume will substantially increase once practice begins and your body will not have nearly as much recovery time plus you're going to be concurrently trying to lose weight.
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I'll be done pct significantly before practice even starts
 
Danimozz said:
I'm trying to get advice on which AAS for strength... I know how pct works...
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You've shot down every suggestion. If you did your research, then you'd know that the compounds that have high increases in strength generally also have high side effects, which is far from ideal in your situation. In another thread, you indicated that you're going to switching to Westside training, which I find laughable as it is not something you do for a couple of months, but that also underscores another issue that you have. If you haven't even decided on a consistent training template, then looking towards AAS is foolish as you will have no idea what is making the change. Even more foolish is you wanting a bigger chest as though it has any impact of performance in wrestling. Do you think Gable, Sanderson, Schultz, Blatnick, or Kharelin ever cared about the size of their chest?
 
Rodja said:
You've shot down every suggestion. If you did your research, then you'd know that the compounds that have high increases in strength generally also have high side effects, which is far from ideal in your situation. In another thread, you indicated that you're going to switching to Westside training, which I find laughable as it is not something you do for a couple of months, but that also underscores another issue that you have. If you haven't even decided on a consistent training template, then looking towards AAS is foolish as you will have no idea what is making the change. Even more foolish is you wanting a bigger chest as though it has any impact of performance in wrestling. Do you think Gable, Sanderson, Schultz, Blatnick, or Kharelin ever cared about the size of their chest?
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First of all I'm not doing the regular westside I'm doing an offseason westside program for skinny bastards that was designed for another wrestler. Second, so what if I want a bigger chest? Is it a problem to want that? Just because I am competing in a sport doesn't mean that it's wrong for me to want a bigger chest. And when I'm going and throwing some extra hypertrophy sets at the end of a chest workout or even on another workout day who cares? It doesn't do any harm and only takes a few minutes of time. So what's the problem.
 
Danimozz said:
First of all I'm not doing the regular westside I'm doing an offseason westside program for skinny bastards that was designed for another wrestler. Second, so what if I want a bigger chest? Is it a problem to want that? Just because I am competing in a sport doesn't mean that it's wrong for me to want a bigger chest. And when I'm going and throwing some extra hypertrophy sets at the end of a chest workout or even on another workout day who cares? It doesn't do any harm and only takes a few minutes of time. So what's the problem.
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You have so much to learn about training. First, the conjugate system aka Westside is not something that is run for a short period of time. It is a system that is run for years with constant adjustments depending upon imbalances and weaknesses within the kinetic chain. Second, lifting is not the most important part of your training; that would easily belong to skill and technique development for wrestling. Third, if your training template is based upon muscles instead of movements, then you've already wasted too much time and need to stop posting and start reading some books about how to train as an athlete. The harm most likely will be internal rotation of the humerus and postural deviation of the upper back since I highly doubt that you will adding in any sort of scapula retraction to counter the extra pressing/horizontal flexion that you will be doing.
 
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