I’ve been lucky in not having any lethargy. How bad has it hit you buddy???
Not too badly... mainly just kind of a mildly tired, sluggish feeling, and a slightly dulled appetite. It was way worse during the RAD-140 cycle I ran during the summer.
I've got no first hand experience but I've looked into the same thing and the options that keep coming up most are 1) fusion androtest, 2) low dose TD trest, 3) stims and just battling it out if you want to avoid hormones.
Hopefully people with actual experience chime in with better answers.
Thanks for the tip; I'm considering throwing in some form of testosterone. Kind of scared of trest (mainly in regards to the estrogen-related side effects).
consider lowering the dose, your saturated and you probably wont notice it performance wise. but I bet you perk right up.
Thanks, I'll consider lowering the dose.
Well 4 weeks in you are most definitely suppressed. Might be almost shuttdown or close to it. And hcg probably isn't doing much as tbol shuts down your nuts and hcg or LH doesn't have an effect.
You should go do bloods and check you liver values and estrogen/test. That should give you a good idea about whats what.
But I definitely agree that hormones are not the only probable cause for feeling bad on cycle. However I doubt that liver can cause lethargy... I think that factors that contribute to feeling lethargy are almost always hormone related. Most specifically DHT related and to an extent estrogen. DHT is the ting that keeps you up and strong. But as you are on androgens youdon't get the loss of strenght but only the mental sides of low DHT. Idk, my theory ...
If pinning test is nkt a problem then definetly get some prop asap then followed with enth or cyp or just pin both from the start. It's what I did on a cycle of andro's when my estrogen crashed and feelt like Pinocchio.
The weird thing is, my "down there" seems to be working just fine. In fact, I still get random boners throughout the day, especially during the first couple of days after injecting HCG. Depending on how I feel (or continue to feel) over the next few weeks, I'm strongly considering running my spring 2019 TBol cycle alongside test. I figured I would run into this issue, but in a way, this cycle was basically an experiment in the first place.
Transdermal test (mix your own), Trest, Epiandro, 4 andro, 4AD... All would likely work to add the pep back into your step. Otherwise something like 5mg of mixed amphetamine salts in the morning will almost guarantee productivity and energy.
Heck, even a few mgs of test undecanoate orally three times daily.
Yeah, I wish Andriol wasn't so expensive. I'll probably just inject test during my next cycle.
yea im confused hes running hcg and usually most people get decent energy with it running it by itself. ****ing rich piana used to do like 5000 iu eod and basically said he would get stronger after coming off. hows your testes feeling? could be ur liver also running something like torem and tbol together can stress ur liver. supposedly proviron can help with lethargy. Also I seen a post where someone ran winstrol and hcg together and got amazing strength gains and energy from it.
Testes are feeling fine, as far as I can tell. I definitely seem to have more random boners during the first 1-2 days after injecting my HCG dose. Maybe I should dose it more frequently?