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Best Fat fighting Compound?

What's the best Compound to use in an effort to reduce BF.

  • Test

    Votes: 24 7.6%
  • Bold

    Votes: 5 1.6%
  • Stanazol

    Votes: 67 21.3%
  • Anavar

    Votes: 38 12.1%
  • Tren

    Votes: 180 57.3%

  • Total voters
    314

SprtNvolcoM

On a Mission!
I know diet is 80% of the battle. So on a strict diet, what you all thought of these compounds in terms of fighting fat (cutting).

Personal opinions and experiences wanted.

Thanks,
Sprt
 
Make cardio the other 15%:D, and I suppose Tren would be it from what Ive read and seen. Never used it myself though.

BV
 
Im going with anavar + a **** load of cardio.

I dont believe in cutting calories to low. I like to keep them right around maintenance when cutting. Cardio alone works pretty well by its self with me.
 
cardio seems ridiculous. it burns too much muscle for me. its better to do 4000 calories a day do 2 compound muscle workouts and then take prostanozol or stanozolol. winni.

shredded look.

not that im shredded but i know prostan works damn good.

or leptigen + capzacin .1% arthritis rub cream and superdrol/prostan cycle
 
cardio seems ridiculous. it burns too much muscle for me. its better to do 4000 calories a day do 2 compound muscle workouts and then take prostanozol or stanozolol. winni.

You must be very,very ectomorphic or you're doing way,way too much cardio. That 'cardio is catabolic' myth is load of total BS, and is just an excuse bodybuilders use to NOT do their cardio (which can be excrutiatingly boring, I admit!)
Another load of crap is the notion that you *must* use anabolic hormones to cut without 'losing muscle' - another complete and total pile! True, steroids can help you drop bodyfat faster without losing muscle - but it is completely possible to get your bodyfat to competition levels without losing all of your hard earned LBM. It just takes discipline and the right training and dieting techniques.

For me, 4-5 20-30 minute sessions a week is plenty to promote fat loss. There's no way that's going to cannabalize your muscle tissue - unless you have a poor diet.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Another load of crap is the notion that you *must* use anabolic hormones to cut without 'losing muscle' - another complete and total pile! BV

I need to echo BV's statement here. I went through this same realization last year. I had bulked and cut several years in a row, each year becoming substantially catabolic and only retaining a small amount of my gains. I came to the conclusion that anabolics must be the only way to prevent this. Fortunately, before relying on anabolics, I signed up with Bobo. I got pretty cut up and recomped w/o any drugs (and hardly any supps for that matter)...and I was doing plenty of cardio ;)


BTW, as you can see, I'm an ecto.
 
I agree with both BigVrunga and Beowulf. HOWEVER, even though the question was asked by a 24-year-old, I must point out that as the going goes, it gets less easy.

Forgive the length of this post but I feel like telling you my life story as my abs see it...

In my '20s, I needed zero cardio to be ripped. Just do weights 2x ED 4-6 days a week and I'd be gaining size and staying cut. I mean putting on 12lbs LBM in a year with a perpetual stone-hard stomach.

Then in my '30s and I mean starting about 33 years old, I noticed that training 2xED wansn't doable anymore. I'd get burnt out quick. So I did some cardio. Early morning cardio was great, weights in the afternoon, I kept my shape pretty good, except the morning cardio was a bit of a drag what with work and life and all, so eventually I got a little bit soft around the midsection.

Then later at 36 I found out the hard way that morning cardio destroyed nearly as much muscle as fat. A whey shake beforehand reduced this effect SOMEWHAT but the morning cardio still seemed terribly catabolic. Even with insanely worked diets, I still lost muscle. Did calorie cycling keeping the protein stable, carb cycling, near zero fat, CKD, name it. A great diet made maybe 10% different from a good diet, but was killing my free time.

I'm closing in on 40 and now the only cut I'll make is androgen-assisted and because I'm not staying ON for very long these days, T3 and Albuterol will be my friends. Of course, a long Test/Tren cycle at a reasonable dose would do for a great cut also, but we'll see about that.

Bottom line, do cut naturally as much as you can, you'll learn tons about how your body reacts to different situations. Then one day, when you NEED to use cutting agents, you'll at least use them EFFICIENTLY.
 
That's good advice Grunt. I just turned 30 - it seems like its easier to gain muscle now than it was when I was 25, but Im sure that will change as I grow older. I fully plan to implement HRT when its necessary - screw this getting old ****:)

BV
 
Tren Enan/Test Cyp/EQ/Anavar is the result of my latest thoughts.

Goes something lile this:
wk 1-4 DBL or WNY @ 50mg ED (optional)
wk 1-18 EQ @ 600mg awk
wk 1-18 Test Cyp @ 500mg to 750mg awk
wk 1-18 Tren Enan @ 400mg awk
wk 12-20 Var @ 40mg to 60mg ED
wk 1-20 letro @ .625mg ED

wk 1-20 hCG @ 500iu awk (or 250iu EOD)
wk 20-21 hCG @ 500iu ED (for 7 days)

wk 21-25 Clomid @ 100mg wk1, 50mg wk2, wk3, & wk4 (4wks total)
wk 21-25 nolva @ 40mg wk1, 20mg wk2, wk3, & wk4 (4wks total)

I know most gains slow or stop around 12wks, so My plan is to bulk my ass off during the first 10wks. Then, without a drop in cals, up the cardio and tweak the diet to try to shed some of the gained BF. I usually dont gain BF at all "on" cycle though. Almost always, even with a shitty diet, I lean out. So essentially, more emphasis will be put on leaning out the last 10wks will than trying to cut the gained BF (because Im betting there wont be any). A sort of fine tunning so to speak. Get what I'm saying?

To help the leaning out process I plan to use a couple OTC supps and Clen. Those wont be put to work until PCT though, after my hCG (which does absolut wonder for me). This is a whole other topic all together though. I'd like to stay focused on just the cycle design.

So what do you guys think? Can I add/take away anything? Shoudl I change anything? Switch out a compound? Honest opinions please. I'd like to also hear some personal experiences.

Thanks,
Sprt
 
The ONLY thing that burns fat is keeping a sustained hrt rate higher than normal!!! ie: cardio

androgens play ZERO role in burning fat they mearly keep muscle tissue from being broken down WHILE doing the former.

Tren works somewhat at promoting an increased fat loss after doing the former but my speculation is the fact that it acts as somewhat of a thermogenic.

Heres a tip for you to NEVER become catabolic during cardio low intensity

220 - your age times .65 keep your hrt rate at this level for at least 30 mins(preferably 45-60 mins) and get adequate protein throughout your meals and you wont loose LBM
 
The ONLY thing that burns fat is keeping a sustained hrt rate higher than normal!!! ie: cardio

androgens play ZERO role in burning fat they mearly keep muscle tissue from being broken down WHILE doing the former.

Tren works somewhat at promoting an increased fat loss after doing the former but my speculation is the fact that it acts as somewhat of a thermogenic.

Heres a tip for you to NEVER become catabolic during cardio low intensity

220 - your age times .65 keep your hrt rate at this level for at least 30 mins(preferably 45-60 mins) and get adequate protein throughout your meals and you wont loose LBM

Get your body into ketosis and you'll burn fat just walking around, but you're correct as far as a traditional diet is concerned. And low intensity is spot on - 4-5 20 minute sessions per week arent going to be catabolic for anyone.

BV
 
Tren....


...but another thing that I noticed that works AMAZING for fatloss is ATD. I used it before and stuffed my face almost every hour and still leaned out very well.
 
Cheezefacta said:
Tren....


...but another thing that I noticed that works AMAZING for fatloss is ATD. I used it before and stuffed my face almost every hour and still leaned out very well.

I was unsuccessful using the search function. #1. What does ATD stand for? I tell my customers that there are no stupid questions, just stupid people who ask them.:rofl: Could someone help me out with this one, though? I'm on the cardio 4-5 times/week, and I've cut calories appropriately. #2. And what exactly about the cold H2O? How much extra energy will it take for the body to utilize 1 gallon/day of "cold" H2O? Let's make the water 40 degrees F for discussion's sake.
 
Hey guys, appreciate all the replies. :wtf: (Sarcasm) All I asked for was clarification of an abbreviation. Again, what in the hell does ATD stand for? I'll calculate my own energy expense re: cold water. Thanks in advance for enlightenment.
 
Innings Eater said:
Hey guys, appreciate all the replies. :wtf: (Sarcasm) All I asked for was clarification of an abbreviation. Again, what in the hell does ATD stand for? I'll calculate my own energy expense re: cold water. Thanks in advance for enlightenment.

Rebound XT - atd based
Kilosports Attack - atd based
Novedex XT - atd based
ALRI Ultra Hot - atd based

 
Cool. Thanks so much to Marshall Law. I'm in a similar boat right now. (Gained 16 lbs. during/just after 4 weeks of SD and could stand to drop a few of the "not so good lbs." I picked up along the way) Thanks again, M.Law.
:cheers:
 
Marshall Law said:
Rebound XT - atd based
Kilosports Attack - atd based
Novedex XT - atd based
ALRI Ultra Hot - atd based

And what exactly is ATD? What is is used for exactly ... Rebound X and Nolva Xt are generic OTC PCT supps arn't they??

How does ATD help fight fat?
 
ATD is the active ingrediant in Rebound XT 3,17-Dioxoetioallocholan-1,4,6-triene. It is a steroidal AI or aromatase inhibtor. What it does is block the receptor site on aromatase by binding to it. The good thing for us in PCT is that steroidal AI's like ATD are considered "suicide inhibitors", that is once they bind to the aromatase they stay bound, thus taking the aromatase out of action. In addition, the body looks at this binding as if a conversion from test to estriadol had taken place. This is good because the body does not then produce even more aromatase in an attempt to maintain homeostasis. Bottom line: less estrogen and more test in the body. The fat fighting I think comes from the more anabolic environment created as well as the reduced water retention from the decreased estrogen.

Yes, Rebound XT and Nolvedex XT (not to be confused with nolvadex) are both OTC supps. Nolvedex XT is a different active ingredient from Rebound XT, but performs a similar function. Hope this helps and maybe do a search if you're interested in learning more about AI's and SERM's and their relationship to PCT.
 
F*CK IT!!! I just ordered DNP!!! I'll worr about the cycle later, after I've droped some BF.

Not to worry, I've done a lot of research on DNP, sides, Dose, Proper supplimination, Pro & Cons, ect.

I'll let you guys know how I do.
 
Go very easy on DNP bro, it is the single most toxic thing you can put in your body.

I'm voting for Dust, anybody no? dust....

Anybody, no? dust....

Anybody, no? dust.......

Anybody, no? dust....

Anybody, no? dust......

It's actually very low in fat.
 
DodgelovesCake said:
Go very easy on DNP bro, it is the single most toxic thing you can put in your body.

I'm voting for Dust, anybody no? dust....

Anybody, no? dust....

Anybody, no? dust.......

Anybody, no? dust....

Anybody, no? dust......

It's actually very low in fat.
DUST??
 
If were strickly talking about AAS then I would say between Trenbolone and Anavar but I am more partial towards anavar. As we all know many users love Trenbolone and Anavar stacks for the strength gain, no loss of lubrication/water in joints like winstrol can cause, fat burning/fat moblization and very little negative side-effects if use in moderate amounts and proper HPTA and anti estrogen protocols are taking.

But I like T-3, ephedrine, DNP with Usnic Acid for better lipolysis mobilization and reduction. I never used GH so I can't attest for its fat burning potential and I don't like clenbuterol
 
Innings Eater said:
And what exactly about the cold H2O? How much extra energy will it take for the body to utilize 1 gallon/day of "cold" H2O?[/B][/COLOR] Let's make the water 40 degrees F for discussion's sake.

i know this is old but i don't think anyone touched base on this for ya... and i don't know if you even care anymore:) but, your body burns more calories digesting cold water than it does warm/hot water.
 
i would have to say this poll is useless because the roid monkey knows his steroids inside out and the answer would have to be before doing this poll take your butt to the gym and hit that treadmill and stop eating mcdonalds. but if you really wanna know tren is the king at burning because it raises your body temperature and burns fat. guess what you lose the weight your blood pressure goes up considerbly and your kidneys are almost good as gone . so i think hitting that treadmill is the best option. some of these guys gave you good advice bro take them seriously there are some genious here and they said it best steroid dont make you a roid monkey. It is how hard you train and nutrition that makes you a roid monkey.
 
oh yeah and to that guy that said d n p do some research that is like putting poison in your body. That stuff is very dangerous it will make you real skinny only once your in a casket bro. seriously not joking please stay off from that stuff. not good clen is safer than that and i would use that or eca stack . dnp is only for real serious bodybuilders and i would still say you would have to be nuts to use that.
 
P-Rouds said:
i know this is old but i don't think anyone touched base on this for ya... and i don't know if you even care anymore:) but, your body burns more calories digesting cold water than it does warm/hot water.
Got ya. And thanks for the reply. I understand/agree with the principle. I was just woncering aloud if one could calculate simply how many KCals would be burned by drinking 1 gal of 40 deg H2O? 1 lb of fat is worth 3500 Kcals. I've since remembered using a device known as a "calorimeter" in Chemistry Lab. There would probably be too many variables.....everyone's "normal" body temp is different and I'd think you'd take into account the size of the drinker. BTW I've been getting in about a half gallon of "really cold" H2O for 2 weeks now and with running, cycling, and the stairmaster on alternating days, I've dropped 5-6 lbs. I'm sure the water idea has at least helped somewhat. I'm not as hungry to cheat when I feel like I'm floating. Oh yeah.....good luck to your Broncos over the Pats.
 
1ad man said:
i would have to say this poll is useless because the roid monkey knows his steroids inside out and the answer would have to be before doing this poll take your butt to the gym and hit that treadmill and stop eating mcdonalds. but if you really wanna know tren is the king at burning because it raises your body temperature and burns fat. guess what you lose the weight your blood pressure goes up considerbly and your kidneys are almost good as gone . so i think hitting that treadmill is the best option. some of these guys gave you good advice bro take them seriously there are some genious here and they said it best steroid dont make you a roid monkey. It is how hard you train and nutrition that makes you a roid monkey.

First of all, you need to get off your high horse. Anyone, who knows anything about training (even if only the basics) knows that cardovascular activity will burn fat hands down compared to any other form of activity or drug you put in your body. That isn't the question, though. The question, in general, which compound will better help promote fat loss.

The comment about roid monkey ... well you lost me there. Being a roid monkey honestly doesnt have much else to do with anything other than your undying lust for roids IMO. A person who has absolutly no regard of his/her health or proper application of these substance would better fit the bill of "roid monkey." There is, however, a safe approach to using AAS; that is knowing (obtaining the Knowledge) & using that knowledge wisely. Knowing your roids only makes you smarter when it comes to its uses. Knowing them inside and out does not automatically make you a "roid monkey," IMO. Its just makes you smart. Educating yourself before crossing over is priority. Whether or not you know your roids has nothing to do with being roid monkey. Most people dont know a damn thing, but that just makes them lazy and ignorant; especially since all the information they need to know a couple mouse clicks away.

So cardio = yes
Roid monkey = WHAT? Lame!

1ad man said:
oh yeah and to that guy that said d n p do some research that is like putting poison in your body. That stuff is very dangerous it will make you real skinny only once your in a casket bro. seriously not joking please stay off from that stuff. not good clen is safer than that and i would use that or eca stack . dnp is only for real serious bodybuilders and i would still say you would have to be nuts to use that.

& lastly, I started the thread ... I'm am also "that guy" who suggested DNP ... for myself, thank you. & again, anyone who knows anything about AAS, even the basics, should know DNP is not the safest compound to use. We dont need you reitorating that fact. Hell, alcohol isnt necessarily the safest substance to use either. It can be considered a pioson also, but we still drink it.

My point is, regardless of whether not something my or maynot be harmful to you, it can be used in a responsible manner safely. DNP is pretty toxic stuff, but it works. Research of the compound will only lead to more cautious decision making when ti comes time to put this poison in my body. Thankfully, I have spent several weeks researching this **** to know whether or not it is right for me. Its something i spent hours contemplating. I'm choosing to use it. Will I die, I doubt it. Do I know the risks, absolutly. Did I educate myself before making the concious decision to use the substance ... most definitelty. So whats the problem?

Unfortunately, most people (as I have mentioned) are either too lazy or ignorant to take the time and educate themselves about what they put in they're bodies. Those are the poeple we read about inthe paper and hear about on the news. & for some reason, I so you as being one of those poeple son. I wish you the best.

Good day,
Sprt
 
Innings Eater said:
I was just woncering aloud if one could calculate simply how many KCals would be burned by drinking 1 gal of 40 deg H2O? Oh yeah.....good luck to your Broncos over the Pats.

sorry bro... don't know that info, i may look into it tho. but, the amount of calories digesting water can't be a real high number IMO. the bronc's... i'm from wisconsin. it's all about the packers pickin themselves back up again:) i hope the bronc's lose:D haha...
 
the reason cold water is best ...really cold water...is because when you drink it, your body wants to bring it back up to a normal temperature..therefore acting like a temporary mild thermogenic...it takes more energy to get the water up to temp rather then just drinking regular water.

anyway

dnp can be used just like anything else if used properly..i've done it as i'm sure lots of others have. However, since then there have been a lot better products on the market that are much "healthier". I wouldn't do it again simply because the **** is messy as hell, and the potential "dust clouds" can be really really bad...especially for anyone else in the house. It's a carcinogen, so you might be breathing that **** in without even knowing it. There's just far more negatives then positives...personally i think if you have to resort to using it, then there are some other aspects of your training/diet you should look at first....just my opinion....i used it years ago when it was the new "secret thing"...

Back to the topic, during my last pct about a year ago It was the first time i used RXT and LXT ...I can tell you that **** leaned me out A LOT more then my cycle of 1-test/4ad did...I couldn't believed how much fat i was losing during pct and even after.

I tried tren once, and it got me very hard and pretty lean also..I'm planning on giving that a go again in the next few months as well...

h19
 
if you search it you can find many diff. answers... one of the sites by a professor states that "1 pint of water at 50 degrees burns around 12.25 calories." so i guess you can get the idea...
 
not necessarily pubmed or anything, but here's a little exerpt regarding water from

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Let's figure out exactly what you're burning when you drink a 16-ounce (0.5 liter) glass of ice water:

The temperature of ice water can be estimated at zero degrees Celsius.
Body temperature can be estimated at 37 degrees Celsius.
It takes 1 calorie to raise 1 gram of water 1 degree Celsius.
There are 473.18 grams in 16 fluid ounces of water.
So in the case of a 16-ounce glass of ice water, your body must raise the temperature of 473.18 grams of water from zero to 37 degrees C. In doing so, your body burns 17,508 calories. But that's calories with a little "c." Your body only burns 17.5 Calories, and in the grand scheme of a 2,000-Calorie diet, that 17.5 isn't very significant.
But let's say you adhere to the "eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day" nutritional recommendation. In 64 ounces of water, there are 1,892.72 grams. So to warm up all that water in the course of a day, your body burns 70,030 calories, or 70 Calories. And over time, that 70 Calories a day adds up. So, while you definitely shouldn't depend on ice water consumption to replace exercise or a healthy diet, drinking cold water instead of warm water does, in fact, burn some extra Calories!


h19
 
Hi mate you ever tried, Kynoselen it will get you lookin in great shape and vascular. Getting ready for a comp definetly would have stanazol in there
 
bully said:
Hi mate you ever tried, Kynoselen it will get you lookin in great shape and vascular. Getting ready for a comp definetly would have stanazol in there

have you ever used it? I've heard mixed reviews..
 
bully said:
Hi mate you ever tried, Kynoselen it will get you lookin in great shape and vascular. Getting ready for a comp definetly would have stanazol in there

How about some more info on this Kynoselen? Links? studies? Explination on what the hell it is/does, lol?

I'm hung over and lazy right now, i do a search later.
 
hamper19 said:
it's basically a vet injectible...vitamins/minerals..with AMP in it..

:wtf:
I vet inject vit/min mix with AMP? Simple as that? Then why isn't it widly talked about? What are some pro's/con's? Sides/Benifits?

Thanks,
Sprt
 
it pisses me off everytime we see a poll which compound burns fat like crazy too many people are hoping the magic pill is the answer . Its not it is hard work diet and cardio that burn fat.

I have a question im not on gear now but alot of people are going to me for some reason are you on juice right now and im not. Im actually training natural and it is shocking you can put on so much muscle naturally. so im gonna go natural long it has been a yr since last cycle and i like the idea of training natural. Is this complemnet when people say are u on juiice.
 
1ad man said:
it pisses me off everytime we see a poll which compound burns fat like crazy too many people are hoping the magic pill is the answer . Its not it is hard work diet and cardio that burn fat.

I have a question im not on gear now but alot of people are going to me for some reason are you on juice right now and im not. Im actually training natural and it is shocking you can put on so much muscle naturally. so im gonna go natural long it has been a yr since last cycle and i like the idea of training natural. Is this complemnet when people say are u on juiice.

WTF!
If your the same 1AD Man I see running around the other boards, then you should know the answer to your questions. I would also expect better advice coming out of your posts/replys. Again, that is if you are the same guy.

For someone who seems to be on a lot of the "better boards" you sure don't seem to know a lot ... at least not here, or maybe your justplaying dumb.

We all know that hard work, diet, and training will burn the fat bro ... but that is not the question. The questions, and I have said this before, is which compound will best assist BF reduction when coupled with hard work, diet, and training??

No one here is talking about a magic pill. We all are knowledgeable enough (I hope) to understand that using gear alone will produce zero results. You get out of it what you put into it.

So what the hell was your reasoning behind your post? To tell everyone your gaining naturally? To brag that people think your juicing when your not? WTF! Who cares. If your making good gains while "off" that's great, keep it up. But don't post about it in thread that has nothing to do with magic pills and compliments you seem to be getting in the gym, as you put it.

My apologies if that came of harsh, but lets stay focused.

Thanks,
Sprt
 
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