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Best Andro Delivery systems?

T-Bone said:
It's the same thing, but opposite with fanboys though. They get free product and then will tell you the product is amazing, no matter what...Because they fear if they don't post positive results they won't get more free products. They also feel guilty that the product was free and feel like if they posted something negative than that would be selfish. The main goal is to get more free products to log from more companies. That's how it works. Everyone knows it, yet no one is going to say anything because there will probably be consequences....Just like I may get in trouble for this post. All you have to do is take a look at the logs and reviews from sponsored loggers and you will see the same users again and again logging with the same stellar reviews . You'd have to be blind not to see this going on.
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all logs come with bias, which is why we do our best to give out as many logs as possible, to get the best average of results. what avenue would you suggest we use to get end users to use these products so other users can see what they MAY be able to expect?
 
VaughnTrue said:
Now, you can answer one of my questions for once. Why worry about Superdrol when we have 6-7+ prohormones with no proprietary blends, which show exactly what you're getting in each serving?
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I'm not "worried" at all. I discuss SD because that's where a lot of claims were made, especially at 42 Tabs and the suggestion that one could run 1 Tab/Day for six weeks and see results. Understandable, because it's a prop blend, it has to be "talked up" because the dose of the main anabolic is hidden. Notice how there are very few questions about Non-Prop blends... not my fault, quit making them. This also should answer the question about your 6-7 other Non-Prop ones - G2G in my book, never said *those* weren't.

We get it. You don't like prop blends, so Superdrol would be out with you. Got it. So, why is 1-Testosterone or any of our other non-prop blend products ****ty? Please elaborate.
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You will find no post of mine saying the Non-Prop 1-Test is $hitty. Name? Maybe, can't remember. Questions on Cyclosome? Maybe. But I never said it, or any of your transparent stuff is $hitty. If you can produce a quote of such, I will apologize.

Cool?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I didn't "attack" anything. Me and Brofessor were talking about SODAS after an HT poster said they use/will be using "Reverse Bead Technology". I went out and found SODAS and then asked for some details. A lot of this other stuff is a carryover from other threads (raw costs, etc...) I'm not "hiding" anything - I don't like a number of things they do, so I *would* be laughable if I took product. If you can't understand that, cie la vie.
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I don't like MuscleTech, but if they gave me a free product to try, I'd try it, say "Okay, this one seems to work" or "Yep. Just as I suspected, total crap." But maybe we have differing understandings of "ethics."

And "attack" was too strong. I'll admit. But it almost comes across that way.

This is how this situation comes across to me, a spectator: I have a friend who doesn't like the owner of a pizza place near me, so he protests by not going. But it's dang good pizza. So what do I do? Do I like the guy? I guess not. Is the pizza amazing? Yes. So what do I do? I eat the freaking pizza.


I'm not trying to sound like I hate you; I don't--I don't even know you. But knowing your intense bias against a company makes it hard for me to take your persistent inquiries seriously. It feels like an endless merry-go-round; a debate that will go on until Father Time throws up his hands and says "I'm out."

Do I care for the name Superdrol? Not really. Do I care that they used it? Not in the slightest. If it works as well as they claim, they can name it Steroids; that's their prerogative.


I'm not against questioning claims. I do, however, feel this thread has turned into an episode of Seinfeld.
 
Aaron.Cole said:
I don't like MuscleTech, but if they gave me a free product to try, I'd try it, say "Okay, this one seems to work" or "Yep. Just as I suspected, total crap." But maybe we have differing understandings of "ethics."

And "attack" was too strong. I'll admit. But it almost comes across that way.

This is how this situation comes across to me, a spectator: I have a friend who doesn't like the owner of a pizza place near me, so he protests by not going. But it's dang good pizza. So what do I do? Do I like the guy? I guess not. Is the pizza amazing? Yes. So what do I do? I eat the freaking pizza.


I'm not trying to sound like I hate you; I don't--I don't even know you. But knowing your intense bias against a company makes it hard for me to take your persistent inquiries seriously. It feels like an endless merry-go-round; a debate that will go on until Father Time throws up his hands and says "I'm out."

Do I care for the name Superdrol? Not really. Do I care that they used it? Not in the slightest. If it works as well as they claim, they can name it Steroids; that's their prerogative.


I'm not against questioning claims. I do, however, feel this thread has turned into an episode of Seinfeld.
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I don't think he has an "intense bias" for this company. He's just asking questions and maybe I missed it but I never saw him call any of the products crappy or anything like that. I actually like when people speak out like this. It's better than seeing fanboys just blindly accept any promoted product. This thread is actually interesting.
 
T-Bone said:
I don't think he has an "intense bias" for this company. He's just asking questions and maybe I missed it but I never saw him call any of the products crappy or anything like that. I actually like when people speak out like this. It's better than seeing fanboys just blindly accept any promoted product. This thread is actually interesting.
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If someone doesn't like a company and refuses a product to test for themselves because they don't like the company, that is called an intense bias. At least in my unpublished book.

Merry-go-rounds are also interesting; that is, until someone forgets to stop one.



Heck, I don't even work for Hi-Tech. I don't work for any supplement company. This thread just feels like a vicious cycle of WTF.
 
I say let's end the discussion its not going any where, and not thread since there is good info that can benefit some of us.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Has questions.

Receives direct responses to each and every question asked.

Is offered more and more information as requested.

Is offered a free cycle of $120 worth of prohormones to be used at his discretion so he can see the impact of our claimed technology first hand.

Declines.








So...now we're "round and round". Let me know actual questions you have, and I will answer them. Simply standing there and saying "ahah screw prop blends!" doesn't help anyone on this forum learn anything.
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I will take up your offer of free hi-tech 1-andro to compare to OL TheOne... 30 or 45 days cycle on each product, 330mg per day
 
Cmon boyos we are comparing delivery systems here.

Right now so far we narrowed it down to S-SEDD vs Cyclosome as the GO-TO systems

Edit: the million dollar question is: IS IT worth it for people to spend 30-40% more of their hard earned money on cyclosome over SEDD andros based on the paper studies
 
zman86 said:
Cmon boyos we are comparing delivery systems here.

Right now so far we narrowed it down to S-SEDD vs Cyclosome as the GO-TO systems

Edit: the million dollar question is: IS IT worth it for people to spend 30-40% more of their hard earned money on cyclosome over SEDD andros based on the paper studies
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Ultimately, time will tell.

Keep in mind however there some more differences to a product like 1-Testosterone and the Olympus labs 1-andro product as well.

1-Testosterone incorporates a full dose of 6,7 DHB, which in theory increases conversion of the 1-andro compound into 1-testosterone more effectively. This is why the study from Texas A&M included it, and 1-Testosterone mimics that clinically studied dose of 330mg 1-andro + 150mg 6,7 DHB.


As of right now, 1-Testosterone is the only way to completely mimic that study AND get the benefits of enhanced absorption.



I do believe people will get great results regardless if they are using Hi-Tech or Olympus labs. I hope we can get more and more poeple to compare the two however so we can see which one ends up being the better value overall.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Ultimately, time will tell.

Keep in mind however there some more differences to a product like 1-Testosterone and the Olympus labs 1-andro product as well.

1-Testosterone incorporates a full dose of 6,7 DHB, which in theory increases conversion of the 1-andro compound into 1-testosterone more effectively. This is why the study from Texas A&M included it, and 1-Testosterone mimics that clinically studied dose of 330mg 1-andro + 150mg 6,7 DHB.


As of right now, 1-Testosterone is the only way to completely mimic that study AND get the benefits of enhanced absorption.



I do believe people will get great results regardless if they are using Hi-Tech or Olympus labs. I hope we can get more and more poeple to compare the two however so we can see which one ends up being the better value overall.
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So ummm you gonna hook it up?
 
VaughnTrue said:
you should apply in either promo thread like I suggested earlier for any readers of this thread :)
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Ok

Right now OL has the price advantage, if the effectiveness of SEDD and cyclosome is about the same or if one is only marginally better than the other... Olympus Labs automatically takes the win over Hi-tech. The stake is high for both companies, like thousands of dollars of sales could be affected by this thread alone.
 
zman86 said:
Ok

Right now OL has the price advantage, if the effectiveness of SEDD and cyclosome is about the same or if one is only marginally better than the other... Olympus Labs automatically takes the win over Hi-tech. The stake is high for both companies, like thousands of dollars of sales could be affected by this thread alone.
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Like I stated previously, both are great delivery systems. SEDDS is way better than no delivery system, but the science shows clearly which one will allow for the highest amount of hormone to reach your blood.

Also, our product includes the studied dose of 6,7 DHB. If $5-$10 sways your opinion on which product to use, not sure what I can really say.when the scientific data specifically shows which one will be superior overall for delivering pure hormone where it is needed most.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Like I stated previously, both are great delivery systems. SEDDS is way better than no delivery system, but the science shows clearly which one will allow for the highest amount of hormone to reach your blood.

Also, our product includes the studied dose of 6,7 DHB. If $5-$10 sways your opinion on which product to use, not sure what I can really say.when the scientific data specifically shows which one will be superior overall for delivering pure hormone where it is needed most.
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After discounts on Nutriverse we are talking about over $25 differences, even without discounts OL is still $15 cheaper. As a NPC competitor who aspired to turn Pro one day, I don't really care about the price, I just want to ingest the highest quality substance. However as a guy who invested in a supplement store, on a business stand point price differences do matter a lot for the general population.
 
zman86 said:
After discounts on Nutriverse we are talking about over $25 differences, even without discounts OL is still $15 cheaper. As a NPC competitor who aspired to turn Pro one day, I don't really care about the price, I just want to ingest the highest quality substance. However as a guy who invested in a supplement store, on a business stand point price differences do matter a lot for the general population.
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price points absolutely matter. as does efficacy.
 
Aaron.Cole said:
If someone doesn't like a company and refuses a product to test for themselves because they don't like the company, that is called an intense bias. At least in my unpublished book.

Merry-go-rounds are also interesting; that is, until someone forgets to stop one.



Heck, I don't even work for Hi-Tech. I don't work for any supplement company. This thread just feels like a vicious cycle of WTF.
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Well, since you keep pushing this point, I'll bring up the main reason I wouldn't take free product from HT, thus giving them thousands of dollars of free advertising (aka "Logging") for $25 their cost:

Jared Wheat has been on the government's radar for more than two decades. Twenty years ago, he was convicted as a drug smuggler who operated a massive marijuana ring in the South. Now, Wheat must pay a $40 million judgment and recall health supplements that a judge says falsely claim to burn fat and cure erectile dysfunction.
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Atlanta, GA -- A federal judge has sentenced JARED ROBERT WHEAT, 37, of Alpharetta, Georgia, to over four years in federal prison and assessed a $3 million forfeiture for being the mastermind of a criminal scheme to manufacture and import adulterated and unauthorized pharmaceutical products, to include illegal knock-offs of Viagra, Ambien, Lipitor, Celebrex, Xanax, Vioxx, and Zoloft. WHEAT is the sole owner of HI-TECH PHARMACEUTICALS, a Norcross-based manufacturer and seller of herbal products that allegedly enhance sex drive, encourage weight loss, etc.
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If you're cool with it, fine. I'm not.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Well, since you keep pushing this point, I'll bring up the main reason I wouldn't take free product from HT, thus giving them thousands of dollars of free advertising (aka "Logging") for $25 their cost:





You have a problem with that?
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2 units of prohormones cost us significantly more than $25.


Past that however, someones past is their past. Are you not a different man now than you were 15+ years ago? I sure as hell know I am.

I judge someone based upon their current actions and how they treat me, not by their potential transgressions of the past.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Well, since you keep pushing this point, I'll bring up the main reason I wouldn't take free product from HT, thus giving them thousands of dollars of free advertising (aka "Logging") for $25 their cost:





You have a problem with that?
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so in other words you argued because you didn't like the company. yup, intense bias. glad we can see your agenda.
 
Tiocfaidh said:
so in other words you argued because you didn't like the company. yup, intense bias. glad we can see your agenda.
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I knew this is where this would ultimately end up unfortunately.


If you don't like Jared due to his past, I get it. I really do. However take a look at what the guy does NOW:

1. Fights the FDA to support the rights of the dietary supplement industry - who else has the cajones to fight the FDA on DMAA? Literally no one.
2. Patents the most powerful legal prohormones available due to his excellent foresight, and instead of keeping them all to himself, allows numerous other companies the rights to sell these great ingredients
3. Purchases equiptment at the tune of millions of dollars to enable enhanced bioavailability of numerous compounds
4. Allows companies to utilize his SEDDS delivery system
5. Puts out products which really have some incredible formulas/profiles
 
VaughnTrue said:
I knew this is where this would ultimately end up unfortunately.


If you don't like Jared due to his past, I get it. I really do. However take a look at what the guy does NOW:

1. Fights the FDA to support the rights of the dietary supplement industry - who else has the cajones to fight the FDA on DMAA? Literally no one.
2. Patents the most powerful legal prohormones available due to his excellent foresight, and instead of keeping them all to himself, allows numerous other companies the rights to sell these great ingredients
3. Purchases equiptment at the tune of millions of dollars to enable enhanced bioavailability of numerous compounds
4. Allows companies to utilize his SEDDS delivery system
5. Puts out products which really have some incredible formulas/profiles
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this is what old guy does. complains about other companies while buying research chemicals and sarms from "reputable" companies. its always better to buy bathtub formulations. hahah
 
Tiocfaidh said:
oh look, old guy tells one side of the story.

Eleventh Circuit Throws Out $40-Million Sanction Against Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals in FTC Fight

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thank you for posting this.

I know Jared is very proud of this. No one likes to have someone say "pay us 40 million!"...and per usual, he ended up being on the right side of that fight.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Never posted about that one, just the jail time - what'ya have on that?
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might want to read your own post since you copied it from the cnbc article.

"Now, Wheat must pay a $40 million judgment and recall health supplements that a judge says falsely claim to burn fat and cure erectile dysfunction."

overturned.
 
Tiocfaidh said:
might want to read your own post since you copied it form the cnbnc article.

"Now, Wheat must pay a $40 million judgment and recall health supplements that a judge says falsely claim to burn fat and cure erectile dysfunction."

overturned.
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Yup, too much quote in that one, the bolded was the primary though. But you are right. So, about the jail time...
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Yup, too much quote in that one, the bolded was the primary though. But you are right. So, about the jail time...
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sounds like he paid his debt to society, and has moved on.



Can we get back to discussing delivery systems, instead of vilifying what someone has done in the past when it has absolutely nothing to do with dietary supplements?
 
Keep the discussion to the topic at hand. If you want to discuss people's records and their past, you can certainly buy your own forum software, host a site and go nuts.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Has questions.

Receives direct responses to each and every question asked.

Is offered more and more information as requested.

Is offered a free cycle of $120 worth of prohormones to be used at his discretion so he can see the impact of our claimed technology first hand.

Declines.








So...now we're "round and round". Let me know actual questions you have, and I will answer them. Simply standing there and saying "ahah screw prop blends!" doesn't help anyone on this forum learn anything.
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I'll take his cycle
 
Everyone in this thread needs to smoke a bowl or up their Ashwaganda dose... Grumpy gills galore.

Or we can settle this the old fashioned way: a death match. HTP best fighter against the old guy.

Place your bets here, ladies and gentlemen.
 
Woody said:
Everyone in this thread needs to smoke a bowl or up their Ashwaganda dose... Grumpy gills galore.

Or we can settle this the old fashioned way: a death match. HTP best fighter against the old guy.

Place your bets here, ladies and gentlemen.
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Woody said:
Everyone in this thread needs to smoke a bowl or up their Ashwaganda dose... Grumpy gills galore.

Or we can settle this the old fashioned way: a death match. HTP best fighter against the old guy.

Place your bets here, ladies and gentlemen.
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VaughnTrue said:
I knew this is where this would ultimately end up unfortunately.


If you don't like Jared due to his past, I get it. I really do. However take a look at what the guy does NOW:

1. Fights the FDA to support the rights of the dietary supplement industry - who else has the cajones to fight the FDA on DMAA? Literally no one.
2. Patents the most powerful legal prohormones available due to his excellent foresight, and instead of keeping them all to himself, allows numerous other companies the rights to sell these great ingredients
3. Purchases equiptment at the tune of millions of dollars to enable enhanced bioavailability of numerous compounds
4. Allows companies to utilize his SEDDS delivery system
5. Puts out products which really have some incredible formulas/profiles
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Wow things escalated quickly haha

#4 Why allow companies utilize S-Sedd
 
zman86 said:
Wow things escalated quickly haha

#4 Why allow companies utilize S-Sedd
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Hi-Tech owns the rights to these prohormones (among many other patents as well). As such, for companies who wish to sell them, they need our permission. Our permission comes with the necessity that we manufacture the products for them.

We offer 2 different options for these companies:

A) No Delivery system - reduces total cost, but produces subpar gains
B) SEDDS - increases total cost, but significantly increases gains

We keep our Cyclosome delivery for ourselves however.
 
its just like playing monopoly I guess.

Good thing one can still order these compounds in bulk from China.

Btw, pa a while back was asking about where he could buy a small amount of 4-dhea powder.

Now we know where to send those looking for things like this. :thumbsup:
 
brofessorx said:
its just like playing monopoly I guess.

Good thing one can still order these compounds in bulk from China.

Btw, pa a while back was asking about where he could buy a small amount of 4-dhea powder.

Now we know where to send those looking for things like this. :thumbsup:
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again, you can buy these raws from the black market, but the results from consuming them orally without a delivery system will absolutely be dissappointing, especially when you see the insanely high doses needed/day to get any results. To each their own however. I always just want these homronal products to be viewed as good as they can be, and when you take them without a delivery system they are pretty lackluster from most user reports
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Yup, too much quote in that one, the bolded was the primary though. But you are right. So, about the jail time...
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I spent 5 years in prison, doesn't mean sh1t to the man I am today. Sorry, I'm a little sensitive on that subject. You make a mistake, you do your time, you carry on with life.
 
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