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Bean's 1st contest prep (Lecheek last 8 weeks)

MANotaur said:
id get carbolean or waxy maize personally....for a carb source. and BCAAs you can get raw, unflavored bcaas in standard and nitrate form for dirt cheap. go with that
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Yeah Idk I guess nutra has good bulk powders but I've never went that route.. I do like the idea of no filler no flavoring route though
 
I hate waxy maize makes me feel like.crap. Vitargo for me
 
mattys4 said:
I hate waxy maize makes me feel like.crap. Vitargo for me
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Dude you don't even know! I took some waximaize for a few weeks about a year and half ago and every time it completely wrecked my insides.... Then outsides.... Lol
 
2-14-13

Best arm wo to date!

Warmup 10m 125 cals

Cross Body hammer curls/Rope Ext 2 sec hold
2wu

40x11*/10*/9* drop 25x14

130x14*/13*/11
120x12

Mach preacher curls/bench dips (I did BW with these cuz my shoulder was bugging me)

60x12*/11*/9
BWxF

EZ bar curls 3 sec neg/Over head Rope Ext stretch at bottom

60x12*/11*/9.5 drop 30x18
80x15/14/12 drop 50x17

Arms were toast at this point

Incl DB curls seated/DB kickbacks

20x12/12
20x12/12

Biggest pump in my arms I've ever had could hardly bend them during my for 15 mins of stairs that followed weights.

Dosed 2 scoops micro about 15 mins after my shake which ended up being about 15-20 mins b4 I lifted. The focus was crazy today.

20 mins of stairs after weights 125-130hr 225cals

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
 
aceroni said:
I don't see much point to take then before and during, either or should suffice, providing you're getting 4g leucine.
That's exactly enough to maximize protein synthesis, any more is just being wasted..
I'd probably throw some carbs in there to spike the insulin, stay anabolic... I believe JM recommends the biotest or glycofuse
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If you are gonna ad carbs intra do it towards the end of the workout so you still get the exercise induced GH release. Carbs directly pre, or even to early during can blunt that GH release.
bean5er said:
Where y'all purchasing your Vitagro?

WMs gave me horrible GI issues as well

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
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For the money to be honest maltodextrine is the way to go. Still as fast acting as WMS or Vitargo but long lasting since it is complex. Vitargo is good but the cost is prohibitive. You can find it easily by just searching for bulk maltoldextrine.
 
MrKleen73 said:
If you are gonna ad carbs intra do it towards the end of the workout so you still get the exercise induced GH release. Carbs directly pre, or even to early during can blunt that GH release.


For the money to be honest maltodextrine is the way to go. Still as fast acting as WMS or Vitargo but long lasting since it is complex. Vitargo is good but the cost is prohibitive. You can find it easily by just searching for bulk maltoldextrine.
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malt is good! and it is dirt cheap. WM for me just seems to give me that extra little...mmph! but malt is way good for alot of things, and alot of products use it
 
and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
and then you have the snag side of the coin -- ie, malto is crap

cheap yes, and if used with proper understanding of its properties and limited to very specific timeframes of use..okay
the problem arises however, with lack of understanding, and therefore faulty use

many ppl are trying to improve body comp these days..lack of understanding on caloric micros (let alone macros) are impeding the majority (yes i said majority) of these individuals

utilizing things like malto frequently - with the false impression that "hey, at least it's not sugar" - is the undoing of many bodycomp aspiring folks out there

truly - i do not even utilize malto in postWO time
if i need simple carbs, i can get them cheaper still than malto
this makes malto essentially worthless in my outlook

all that other stuff you guys are talking about (vitargo etc) - absolutely no need
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Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
 
I like karbolyn. Another one ive had.my eye on is glycofuse
 
bean5er said:
Yea I just asked my coach his opinion on these topics and he said malto is garbage and Vitagro isn't needed per say more geared towards people on gh and slin. He said if we were to use anything (off season) he would recommend Karbolyn.
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better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods
mattys4 said:
See with my coach vitargo is the only acceptable.one in his opinion
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i coach too guys :)
and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
many paths, will lead to Rome

fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
this is not an anomaly either, even coaches need coaches sometimes
 
bean5er said:
Man I wish I could copy and paste off FB from my phone, but a friend of mine who is a very successful coach in my state posted a great rant on FB about malto, the gist of it was, it's a processed sweetener with a glycemic index of 80-100 and sugar is 100. Point made I guess. I've never used any of these. May try Karbolyn on a clean bulk who knows.
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actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context
 
Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
:think:

those things you mention, matty, are carbs
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I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL
 
For a preworkout carb source i much prefer vitargo or hbcd products over malto, dextrose or wms.
 
mattys4 said:
I know LOL. I meant they dont help me performance wise. I feel.bloated and lethargic. However with vitargo or hbcd type products theres a noticible increase in performance. Sorru im.typing on my phone.so maybe i wasnt making myself.clear because im lazy LOL
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hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
not buying it
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
better, but again not needed, and can be done thru proper real foods

Agree!

i coach too guys :)
and yes, we all have our own differnet opinions, is the way the world works
many paths, will lead to Rome

:-)

fyi - i seem to do better for others, than i do for myself (in last stages of prep)..
this is not an anomaly either, even coaches need coaches sometimes
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My coach has a coach for himself too!
snagencyV2.0 said:
actually, malto and dextrose are same GI (100), altho you will read malto has GI of anywhere from 105-145 depending on source..but malto has higher insulin index than does dextrose

but GI is only half the story..GL (glycemic load) more appropriate, in context
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Good info snags I'm meaning here. I'm a noob when it comes to this stuff.

His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.

mattys4 said:
Regardless of glycemic.index, load or other qualities performance.wise malto dextrose and wms just dont.cut it for me. I like.carbs preworkout and those.dont help me.much in that department
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I NEED carbs pre also. Fasted training especially legs is not for me!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
hmmm..not too sure about that one, bud
i understand bloating, and if that is the difference for you (ie bloating on certain things but not others), then that is valid for you
but - saying that one of these carbs makes one perform better than any other..huh uh
not buying it
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Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
btw - for a preWO carb source (IF i need one at all), i much prefer oats & perhaps a banana :)
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Right thats what works for you. From trial and error you know what works.for you best. I workout 5am daily just get up throw together a custom preworkout and off i go
 
bean5er said:
His main point in that rant was geared more towards how he was sick of supp companies like AdvoCare advertise no sugar in products yet malto is an ingredient.
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absolutely
the old catch-phrase "hidden glucose polymers" applies to many of these products advertised as "no-sugar"..
when in fact, the ingredients (not understood by the average joe) do in fact play a major role in blood glucose levels and insulin response



mattys4 said:
Ill take a strong placebo effect. Im not a scientist i dont care much why it works but for me theres a huge difference. 35g wms preworkout i feel.like crap workout suffers. 35g vitargo feel good workout much better. Same with zero carbs pre workout, maybe i just never got used to training totally fasted but theres a noticible difference for me with carbs pre workout
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this is an example of insulin-response, and why each of these items you mention have a different effect/response in you, individually

is why NONE of these can be called the be-all/end-all, because metabolisms are different on an individual basis
so, there is no right nor wrong answer here..

hence the old saying: "whatever works for you" :)
 
bean5er said:
That is exactly what I use!!
48g egg white protein
75g dry oats
1 large banana
Water and Ice
All in a blender :-)
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NICE! :hammer:

mattys4 said:
Preworkout you use this?
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all in the timing my friend
instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response
 
I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein
 
mattys4 said:
Preworkout you use this?
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Yessir!

snagencyV2.0 said:
NICE! :hammer:

:-)

all in the timing my friend
instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response
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Is around 45-60 mins pre.

mattys4 said:
I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein
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I love it
PalmFist said:
Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book
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Big win!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
NICE! :hammer:

all in the timing my friend
instead of the 30-45min (or less) before WO you take in your preWO shake, i'm sure beans has this 60-90min (or even 2hrs) preWO, much more suitable to digest, and much preferable IMO for useful energy/endurance/insulin response
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mattys4 said:
I was curious i use pretty much the same thing before my afternoon workouts. I love it. And your right bout 60 -90 minutes preworkout and your ready to party. This would be my preferred method. Just with WPI instead of egg protein
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PalmFist said:
Yes. This about an hour to two hours prior is a big win in my book
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bean5er said:
Yessir!

Is around 45-60 mins pre.

I love it

Big win!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
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Honestly I have to eat whole food within an hour before training or I an starving during.. Also keep in mind I have a really fast metabolism and I tend to spend about two plus hours in the gym, between a half hour to 45 minutes prehab then about one to one and a half hours lifting
 
aceroni said:
Honestly I have to eat whole food within an hour before training or I an starving during.. Also keep in mind I have a really fast metabolism and I tend to spend about two plus hours in the gym, between a half hour to 45 minutes prehab then about one to one and a half hours lifting
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the simple answer here is: you are in the gym too long
no need to be training for that long
hopefully you are at least consuming bcaa pre/intra
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
the simple answer here is: you are in the gym too long
no need to be training for that long
hopefully you are at least consuming bcaa pre/intra
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Snags with a simple answer! He does it all! Kidding aside bud I agree 100%. If I'm in there for more than 60-70mins I'm pissed, now don't get me wrong I am currently in there a bit longer trying to get my cardio in but off season I'm in there 45 mins tops!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/221228-beans-1st-contest.html
 
I'm in usually around an hour and a half, but my volume is usually higher especially since I was just doin gvt and I never did an exercise for any less than 8 sets.... But I don't have a gym anymore! I have a wife and a few heavy ass books!

~ MANotaur
 
I'm usually an hour and 35 minutes with cardio
 
i have definitive views on training
off the top: 45min is good timing for weights, 60min at the most
anymore than this, and you need to pick up the pace and speed things up..stop talking to ppl
even the largest volume workouts should not take 90min (or - gasp! - more)
as for cardio - well i have definitive views on this as well
if you weight train then follow with cardio, okay..but - 30min is the most i would advise for cardio here, and that would be LISS (my personal preference would actually be HIIT, and of course 15-20min max is all that is needed here)

so:
45min weight + 20min HIIT = BOOM!
all your training needs accomplished in short timespan

many ppl do things (extended training an example) that may emotionally feel "good" to them, but intellectually are actually detracting from their goal of building muscle
 
bean5er said:
Pretty much what I prefer here snags minus the HIIT I know it has its benefits but for me it sends my appetite through the roof. I prefer LISS 30 mins tops after weights with some BCAAs! Works for me :-)
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sure
LISS provides a specific function, and i don't say it is not useful (in proper context)
i personally simply have no use for it
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
the simple answer here is: you are in the gym too long
no need to be training for that long
hopefully you are at least consuming bcaa pre/intra
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I'm drinking recover pro intra.the longest part is my warmup. On leg days it takes around a half hour maybe slightly more to get everything moving properly before I squat then I'm training for between one hour and an hour and a half..
Idk how people expect to train without proper mobility and smfr before hand.
Yeah arm day I'm usually in and out within an hour or less

I'm not to worried about it (time spent at gym) though.. I went from 185 to 200 in the last three months, no sups no aas, just the staples.

And as far as starving, if I wait two hours after eating before I go I'll be starving no matter what, regardless of how long I take.
 
okay
aceroni said:
I'm drinking recover pro intra.
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this is decent, at least you are getting nourishment intra
Idk how people expect to train without proper mobility and smfr before hand.
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some would argue with the amount of "warm-up" you seem to require as "necessary", but okay..
I'm not to worried about it (time spent at gym) though.. I went from 185 to 200 in the last three months, no sups no aas, just the staples.
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and this has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion about spending too much time in the gym, as it is neither a cause nor effect from your timeframe of gymtime
there are many other factors that can explain your recent success of muscular acquisition, aside from pointing to your gym protocol as being the "cause" of it, or the fact that it may not be as beneficial to you as you assume

again, just technicalities here..i am not condemning, simply discussing
to each their own
 
Ya theres a lot of.good.stuff.going on in here.
 
Squats 4 sec/ rep x 10 reps = 40 sec / set

Leg press 4 sec / rep x 12 reps = 48 sec/ set

Gastroc/soleus contractions 5 sec/ rep x15 reps= 75 seconds / per set

Leg extensions 3 sec/ rep x15 reps= 45 seconds/ set

Hamstring curls 3 seconds/ rep x 15 reps = 45 seconds / set

At 10 sets of squats that's 400 seconds of working time + 600 seconds for a one minute rest between sets = 1000 sec / squats

8 sets of leg press is 384 seconds of squats + 480 seconds of rest = 864 seconds / squats
8 sets of calves = 1080 sec for calves
6 sets of extensions = 630 sec
6 sets of hammy curls = 630 sec

Total time is 2574 sec / 60 sec in a minute = 42.9 minutes

That's not including any rest between sets...literally no time
No time for warm up
No time to set up/ load up your weight
No time for cardio
No time for anything else

It's fair to say that 1 hours and a half is needed for a solid high volume workout

~ MANotaur
 
MANotaur said:
Squats 4 sec/ rep x 10 reps = 40 sec / set

Leg press 4 sec / rep x 12 reps = 48 sec/ set

Gastroc/soleus contractions 5 sec/ rep x15 reps= 75 seconds / per set

Leg extensions 3 sec/ rep x15 reps= 45 seconds/ set

Hamstring curls 3 seconds/ rep x 15 reps = 45 seconds / set

At 10 sets of squats that's 400 seconds of working time + 600 seconds for a one minute rest between sets = 1000 sec / squats

8 sets of leg press is 384 seconds of squats + 480 seconds of rest = 864 seconds / squats
8 sets of calves = 1080 sec for calves
6 sets of extensions = 630 sec
6 sets of hammy curls = 630 sec

Total time is 2574 sec / 60 sec in a minute = 42.9 minutes

That's not including any rest between sets...literally no time
No time for warm up
No time to set up/ load up your weight
No time for cardio
No time for anything else

It's fair to say that 1 hours and a half is needed for a solid high volume workout

~ MANotaur
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Lmao nice work buddy. I agree my leg day are at least 60 mins. Other than that my weight sessions are usually no more than 40-45 mins

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