BCAA question
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thaOrleanyte
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May help in reducing catabolism, but thats my bro science.
ax1
Legend
IMO your wasting your time with BCAA's, you should really look into EAA's instead. something like primaforce EAA's is affordable, flavored and much more bang for your buck. if you want to get fancier and more expensive go with purple wrath.
ax1
Legend
i do my EAA's during all my cardio to prevent catabolism.
ax1
Legend
the absorption rate of BCAA's in whey protein is much greater than straight BCAA's.
BCAA's, are cool to take intra-workout IMO, and also they are a waste compared to EAA's. all other times just eat and take whey protein. whey has all that stuff in there and much better.
petey7408
Banned
Right now I'm using just plain unflavored BCAA powder by Optimum (Got the big container for $7). I was gonna get Xtend when that ran out, but you recommended Purple Wraath. Looking at the nutritional profile, the Xtend only has the BCAA's and the Purple Wraath has EAA and BCAA so should I go with the Wraath?
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Aggravated
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I find they help me with recovery.
t-bone2
Member
Yes, why would that be...?
And, even if that were the case, why is faster absobtion rate better in this instance? To both ax1 and the OP - if you've had sufficient Pre-WO nutrition and you aren't doing endurance work, why ingest BCAAs or anything else during your workout?
ax1
Legend
i got it from some nutrition textbook years ago.
i think it said plain bcaa's have an absorption rate of about 10%, but from whey its at 60-70%.
ax1
Legend
i would go with purple wrath,
or if you want it a little cheaper get Primaforce high luecine EAA's. EAA's ARE BCAA's plus EAA's. its a good deal and a no brainer over a product like xtend.
bcaa's=Fiat
EAA's-Ferrari
ax1
Legend
well, that textbook was wrong
thats ok with me, you may be correct.
but for off days i think whey is adaquete enough for people to supply themselves with bcaa's.
also, i have to repeat myself to everyone, you all should get EAA's and not inferior BCAA's.
stefang
Member
BCAA's are very useful when cutting and trying to preserve muscle mass. More than 50% convert into glycogen, which is what your body needs in a glycogen depleted state.
EAA's are helpful when trying to improve your aerobic abilities. BCAA's also help to increase the production of NH3 (Amonia) >> muscle growth requires proper nitrogen balance, Alanine and Glutamine >> all very important.
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sportsbro21
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i only use BCAAs after work out along with my shake. BCAAs prevent muscle break down, bus isn't that the point of working out? to break down your muscles so you can build them back stronger? i have best results with supplementing with them only after workouts instead of before and after.
alwaysgaining
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i tke em right when i wake up 15g mixd with 1/2 cup PB and it is a nice jumstart in the mornig mixxd with whole milk
Universal Rep
UniversalUSA.com
Agreed, ffAAs are absorbed more quickly than intact proteins. Hydrolyzed proteins can be absorbed even more quickly than ffAAs. I also prefer EAAs over BCAAs.
EasyEJL
Never enough
yeah, the EAAs over BCAAs is rough, because with good overall protein consumption its harder to say whether the price differential is worth it. I sometimes still wonder whether for most of us simple leucine consumption alone would provide enough benefit.
For me its about whether the cost (including hassle factor potentially) is worth the difference in results. In the IT industry if you can get 80% of the results for 50% of the cost, you do it
For me its about whether the cost (including hassle factor potentially) is worth the difference in results. In the IT industry if you can get 80% of the results for 50% of the cost, you do it
MrBrightside
Active member
Christian Thibaudeau swears by pre-meal leucine. He gained quite a lot of weight rather quickly.
EasyEJL
Never enough
dammit he stole my idea
yeah, leucine alone could possibly do it. Relative to human tissue, most animal tissue has excess valine + isoleucine, and then leucine becomes the rate limiter.
ax1
Legend
yeah, the EAAs over BCAAs is rough, because with good overall protein consumption its harder to say whether the price differential is worth it. I sometimes still wonder whether for most of us simple leucine consumption alone would provide enough benefit.
For me its about whether the cost (including hassle factor potentially) is worth the difference in results. In the IT industry if you can get 80% of the results for 50% of the cost, you do it
When you get EAA's, it INCLUDES BCAA's,
look at the ingrediant profile of purple wrath and primaforce EAA's,
its a no brainer to just get EAA's.
ax1
Legend
EAA's do all of the above,
When you get EAA's, it INCLUDES BCAA's,
look at the ingrediant profile of purple wrath and primaforce EAA's,
its a no brainer to just get EAA's.
ax1
Legend
ok guys, this is why i go crazy when people debate BCAA's vs EAA's, and i just dont get why people would think in any way BCAA's do different things than EAA's when EAA's have ALL the BCAA's in in anyways, its a no brainer to just get EAA's especially when a product like primaforce EAA's is pretty cheap. Pound for pound its not that more more expensive than crap bcaa's.
BCAA
L-Leucine
L-Isoleucine
L-Valine
EAA[/SIZE]
L-Leucine
L-Isoleucine
L-Valine
L-Lysine
L-Phenylalanine
L-Threonine
L-Histidine
L-Methionine
cant you all see now? bcaa's suck in comparison to eaa's, there shout NOT be a debate anymore on which you should chose between the 2.
BCAA
L-Leucine
L-Isoleucine
L-Valine
EAA[/SIZE]
L-Leucine
L-Isoleucine
L-Valine
L-Lysine
L-Phenylalanine
L-Threonine
L-Histidine
L-Methionine
cant you all see now? bcaa's suck in comparison to eaa's, there shout NOT be a debate anymore on which you should chose between the 2.
EasyEJL
Never enough
No, you are wrong. Here at nutraplanet a kilo of BCAAs is $40. A kilo of EAAs is $50. I don't believe that the rest of the trace AAs are worth the 25% premium.
profile for BCAAs
12 g serving
L-Leucine 8g
L-Isoleucine 4g
L-Valine 5g
profile for EAAs
Typical Amino Acid Profile per 13.50 grams:
L-Leucine - 4500mg
L-Isoleucine - 800mg
L-Valine - 2000mg
L-Lysine - 2000mg
L-Phenylalanine - 1700mg
L-Threonine - 1400mg
L-Histidine - 650mg
L-Methionine -450mg
So EAAs suck as with only 800mg of isoleucine any more than 800mg of valine or 1600 mg of leucine is totally wasted.
ax1
Legend
thats a good point. im glad you posted this because i did totally overlook that the valine and isoluecine is much lower.
i would have to research on the importance of higher isoleucine and valine over the benefits of a richer amino acid profile.
common guys lets see some more posts on bcaa's vs. eaa's.
ax1
Legend
yeah i feel like **** on bcaa's and want to kill myself and jumped off my bed 4 times with no luck,
so eaa's wins because it will save your life.
ok, sorry i was just trying to win the debate, never mind.
petey7408
Banned
I just looked that up in curiosity, and it said that DEFICIENCIES in BCAA's can cause depression...
Dizmal
Active member
Just eat liver pills and buy cheep kilo's of BCAA for pre/intra/post work out time.
Personally, I use Xtend and Bulk BCAA, BA for workout time. Then munch 4 pills of liver with each meal throughout the day. Plenty of EAAs in them plus other goodies.
I might skip Xtend next time around and get Purple Wraath. It has a damn nice profile. For just a bit more.
Personally, I use Xtend and Bulk BCAA, BA for workout time. Then munch 4 pills of liver with each meal throughout the day. Plenty of EAAs in them plus other goodies.
I might skip Xtend next time around and get Purple Wraath. It has a damn nice profile. For just a bit more.
purebred
Guest
when it comes to basic fundamentals and concepts, textbooks are usually reliable but i wouldn't rely on a textbook to give me accurate, unbiased information on say, creatine. according to the nutrition textbook required for my nutrition class a few semesters back, "creatine is dangerous".
right.:bsflag:
CopyCat
Well-known member
Well, it can be. Depends on your training, exertion, stress, blah, blah, blah. There is a very good reason why certain schools in the military like navy seal's bud/s and so forth don't allow it. Because people can die.
However, things are subject to differing factors.
purebred
Guest
sure. your argument is completely valid and accurate for that matter but see, you're elaborating. you're providing the whole picture. the mainstream media and the likes sensationalize and give you one-sided, typically biased views
CopyCat
Well-known member
So true
thaOrleanyte
Well-known member
did i just hear that people die from creatine?
CopyCat
Well-known member
Ha, yes and no. People don't die from creatine, but taking creatine under certain situations can contribute to other factors that can kill a person. The example I stated was BUD/s (Navy Seal training). They are not allowed to take creatine, not that they are against supps, but because of the nature of their training and demands on the body creatine has been shown to contribute to dehydration and heat injuries etc. It can contribute to GI issues, diarrhea, potential muscle cramps just to name a few. Also, as we all know we need to up our H20 consumption while on creatine and the guys at BUD/s are almost constantly behind in hydration because of the intensity of their training.
MrBrightside
Active member
Yeah, we weren't allowed to take creatine past a certain point in football (around when 2-a-days started), and I figured it was for that reason.
petey7408
Banned
Very true, it all depends on the coaches and their preferences and views.
thaOrleanyte
Well-known member
touche. I see now.
Ubiyca
Banned
Good post bro, you bitch slapped that young white boy.
Universal Rep
UniversalUSA.com
EAAs have a great body of science behind them, which basically started in the late 90s and early 00s. These studies are interesting because the focus was on lifters. With BCAAs, there are tons of studies, but virtually all of them were done on endurance athletes, like cyclists. Truth is, both have value in sports applications. But EAAs have the studies, for what it's worth, done on weightlifters specifically. As a company, Universal is committed to both and they've launched new 1kg sizes for both EAA Stack and BCAA Stack. It all comes down to using the right tool for the job.