Hate4TheWeak
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Uhh what?? bass probably isn't responding as well because....wait....Bass what dose are you running the super?
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Uhh what?? bass probably isn't responding as well because....wait....Bass what dose are you running the super?
pantera101
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He's at 20 now.He did ten with the phera.Then dropped the phera and upped the SD to 20.
I always wondered about this with with the pros and all staying on gear yr round too......I guess test,growth,and slin are different than sd,phera,epithio etc.....
Hate4TheWeak
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I couldn't imagine staying on for a whole year. Talk about shut the fcuk down....Yikes! Also injectables don't have to be degraded in the liver and bypass alot of your body's natural filtration systems. I'm sure a full year of super would result in an M.D.K!!!:gore:
thundergod
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Well, with the 2 grams of Vitamin C, I also recommend taking DHEA also. Even for you younger guys. You could use lower dosages than me. I use 200 mg. per day during the first part of my PCT. Then I lower it every week. Like down to 100 mg. for week 2, and then 50 mg. for week3. But you younger guys would probably benefit from 50 mg. per day with the Vitamin C to combat lethargy while on-cycle.:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
pantera101
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Thats what they have to do to maintain what they have built to shock and awe.They take something to keep their nuts going.....I don't remeber what it's called,maybe hcg?....Idk
Theirs a new russian guy in my new MD that is built like arnold.Very nice to see this.He doesn't want to get huge,he's shooting for aesthetics.He actually make you want to look like him which is what a bb'r should do.I'm very happy with this.He became a pro the same way Lee Priest did.This guy seen him and made a phone cal and bam!These are the only two guys he has done this with and Lee has been a pro for a while now.........his name is Denis Sergovskiy.
Hate4TheWeak
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Cool I got to check that out man. I like Denis Wolf too he has a good build. Not to big but still that mofo's HUGE!!
pantera101
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I just hope he stays that way!Too many play the size game and get grossly huge.Kai Green seems to be doing it right now!I still like to look at them and shake my head in awe,but I'd never want to look like them.Ronnie and Markus come to mind right away.But most pros just have an unatainable physique.Do you have a subscripton to MD hate?
Hate4TheWeak
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No I don't I'm one of the jackasses who pays $8 a pop for a good read.lol.....
pantera101
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I did that a couple times and then bought a subscription and then renewd it after a yr when I din't have the money.Def worth it!Not to ruin too much about the june issue,but I was thinking that now that Ronnie is gone maybe that will keep some of these guys from playing the mass game.Prob not,but maybe.......It says in this issue in a little where are they now section that Ronnie is debating comming back to the olympia in 09.
thundergod
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I agree with you guys about the super massive guys we have around now. I'd much rather look like Arnold than Markus Ruhl, ya know? Arnold wasn't really that big, only 235 lbs. But his small waist and hip structure made him appear huge. He has probably inspired more guys to pick up a weight than any other single person, ever. When I saw Conan the Barbarian back in 1983, that did it for me. I had to look at least something like that. Been a quest ever since.:head: Peace out brosinkis!:run:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
TerribleTowel
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Yea I was listening to No Bull Radio the other day and Ronnie is supposedly considering competing this year. I don't know why though. He looked terrible last year, his age has finally caught up with him.
pantera101
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Ronnie has looked terrieble for a long time.He just kept winning cause he had size no one has seen before.No offense to any Ronnie lovers,but he belongs in the circus,not a bb'ing stage.He could be known as the man who has a sea turtle growing in his stomach!
boxmeman
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MD Forums and radio are actually pretty sweet!
TerribleTowel
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Unfortunately the turtle shell stomach statement can be applied to most of the top guys nowadays. The effects of insane amounts of eating and the fact that a large amount of igf receptors are located in your stomach and intestines.
Ronnie in the early 2000's had one of the best physiques ever. Yes he was massive but he still had aesthetics and great conditioning. However, he continued to try and pack on unnatural amounts of muscle and greatly sacrificed his aesthetics and he never once came in with the same level of conditioning.
bassgod272
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yes, hcg is what they use to keep their boys in tact while on. "In the male, hCG injections are used to stimulate the leydig cells to synthesize testosterone. The intratesticular testosterone is necessary for spermatogenesis from the sertoli cells. Typical uses for hCG in men include hypogonadism and fertility treatment."
bassgod272
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i'm at 20mg. it's not that i'm a non-responder, nor do i think that i'm not responding well. i have gained awesome strength and added about 6 more pounds of mass. this is no different than running epi for a month, taking a month off, and running a different compound. i ran the p-plex for 4 weeks, while at the same time adding in superdrol during that 4th week, then continue to run the super for 3 weeks afterward. this will downgrade your andogen receptors quite nicely i'm sure. that is why i'm not seeing insane strength and 12lb mass gains from the super.
TerribleTowel
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I second the vote for Victor. His build is probably my favorite of any of the guys that are currently competing. Absolutely massive, yet still proportional, with nice symmetry, and good conditioning. Also, it's been pretty well established that he should have won the O last year. Cutler was far from his best last year, but it just shows how much politics are involved in bodybuilding. Too bad Victor got hurt earlier this year, because I truthfully think this would have been his year. I'm sure he'll still make a strong showing, but the fact that he has missed a lot of time in which he could have been improving his physique, due to his knee injury is really going to hurt him.
Hate4TheWeak
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I love bass's threads man......Hey basstard (you like my word play hu) I think this mofo's gonna hit a 1,000 posts no problem!!!
To everyone Else Victor SUCKS!!!! Yea that's right I said it he sucks!!! Cutler sucks more but, hey they all suck IMO bodybuilding has gotten totally out of control!
All these guys have one foot in the grave when they step on stage these days....I just don't understand it, when the general consensus for everyone when there asked which BB would you most like to look like, is ahhk none of them they all look like horses on steroids with no Penises or balls at all...Seriously how can you ware a fcuking G-strig thong in front of everyone when your noots are that tiny LMFAO.....I WAS NOT LOOKING, fags.........geez :rofl:
To everyone Else Victor SUCKS!!!! Yea that's right I said it he sucks!!! Cutler sucks more but, hey they all suck IMO bodybuilding has gotten totally out of control!
All these guys have one foot in the grave when they step on stage these days....I just don't understand it, when the general consensus for everyone when there asked which BB would you most like to look like, is ahhk none of them they all look like horses on steroids with no Penises or balls at all...Seriously how can you ware a fcuking G-strig thong in front of everyone when your noots are that tiny LMFAO.....I WAS NOT LOOKING, fags.........geez :rofl:
pistonpump
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you my friend have an obsession with "noots"
pantera101
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I completely agree!Thats why i'm excited about this denis sergovskiy dude(I have to look that up to spell it and it's still hard to even copy).The article is about him possibly starting a revolution and turning bb'ing back to the look of inspiring guys like us to want to look like them,and a hell of lot more women not being outright disgusted by bb'rs!
Last I heard,most like dexters physique best from the olympia,but would rather look like Stan Mcquay.
pantera101
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It is unfortunate and it does apply to a lot.Ronnies gone though and so is Markus.Hopefully it will stop now.Although Like I said,from reading my new MD it sounds like Kai Greene is trying the size game now.........
TerribleTowel
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If you saw any pictures from him at the Arnold or his recent guest posing, then Kai has definitely let his gut go. He put on a ton of size prior to the Arnold and it showed. It's hard to put on that much muscle that quick without letting your gut go. He is definitely trying to play the mass game now, but that's what you have to do to win so you can't really blame him. Blame the judges. Until the judges start awarding the more aesthetically pleasing physiques instead of the mass monsters, then none of the top pros are going to take the more aesthetic route.
pantera101
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I seen one in MD of Kai,but it wasn't the best angle to see the gut.One guy that was critiquing him said his gut def got a little bigger,but not much.Just what he said.Kai also said he had little time to get dialed in and it was obvisouly the first time to diet down with that much size.He said he was his best for that day,but could of been better in the future.The judges are wishy washy too,sometimes their will be mass monsters and more aesthetically pleasing guys both in the top 5.One year they say this,the next they say that.
It just pisses me off!BB'ing is a mix of shape lines and symetery,not who's the biggest!They almost need two different divisions.
pantera101
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I like all the older guys and some from more recently.Danny,arnold,franco,lou,serge,shawn,rich...........I would like to see bigger legs on the older guys though,Arnolds upper with tom platz legs would be amazing to see today!I see bb'rs all the time that make me want to look like them,but not many from today.I like Dexter Jackson,He will stay how he is too.No size game for him :nono: You and others should check out the june issue of Muscualr Development then to see this denis guy.It's in black and white and theirs a small pic on the cover.I thought it was arnold at first.Just gives a little hope is all......
bassgod272
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My PCT will start on May 9th. I am actually contemplating on ending it 1 week earlier than planned because of how i'm feeling. I REALLY need to decide soon though, if i'm going to end it early. We'll see how I feel the next few days. I'm def ready for it to end, lol. Yes, my log will continue through PCT.
TerribleTowel
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Hey pantera, I googled the Denis Sergovskiy guy earlier today and I must agree, he has a great build and it's very aesthetically pleasing. Hopefully your right and this guy can bring the direction of bodybuilding away from the size game. Size is and always will be a huge part of bodybuilding, but it should not be at the sacrifice of symmetry and aesthetics.
pantera101
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In MD he says that he has some type of injury right now that prevents him from training legs and back the way he wants to.The way he wants to train back is with deads and bb rows....smart man!So he's using lots of cables and machines instead and not realy liking it too much.
TerribleTowel
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Next time I'm on campus this week and have nothing to do I'll go to the bookstore and pick up a copy and read the article in the store to kill some time. Needless to say he's making great progress using only cables and machines.
Also here's a photogallery of him at MD: Invalid Link Removed
pantera101
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Bass!!!!!!
I weas going to tell you you might want to try this xlevol out.I still like it much better than anything I ever tried.RPM was nice the first day at four caps.The next so many times I didn't notice much of anything.Then I upped it to five and liked that too.But again only for the first day.Today was my second time at five,and not much of nothing.I'm going back to xlevol next trainins session.I just seen another say how he loves it too and got me missing it soo much!
I weas going to tell you you might want to try this xlevol out.I still like it much better than anything I ever tried.RPM was nice the first day at four caps.The next so many times I didn't notice much of anything.Then I upped it to five and liked that too.But again only for the first day.Today was my second time at five,and not much of nothing.I'm going back to xlevol next trainins session.I just seen another say how he loves it too and got me missing it soo much!
rhodesman
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Will you be using just Nolva? Or add in some clomid on a split? I read in a different forum that Nolva is mostly just for gyno prevention and that Clomid helps get your natty test started up a lot quicker. Any thoughts? If this is the case then I will def get some clomid for my next cycle.
pantera101
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I thought his back looked pretty good too.It has a nice little jocker tattoo in the center that I liked as well.But anyways I was admiring his back when I read how he feels it's a weak point!
TerribleTowel
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I've heard Torem is the fastest, but in all honesty I don't think it really matters. The difference is much if any as far as recovery goes. Nolva definitely is the way to go as far as gyno protection is concerned though and for that simple reason alone, especially coming off a SD cycle, I would stick with Nolva over anything else. Also a lot of people tend to avoid Clomid because it can have some nasty emotional and mental sides in some users.
Also:
pantera101
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You can start a big endless unresolved argument with these different serms rhodesman.It can get nasty sometimes!!!
TerribleTowel
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Agreed. Between trying to weigh recovery times, liver toxicity, physical sides, emotional sides, prices, gyno protection, etc, there is no clear cut winner.
pantera101
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Hey bass!I'm jacking your thread even further for just a mintute.Your log gets more love than mine.I did 10/10/10 M-drol with methoxy tst pulsed on wo days.I believe I'm on day 7 of pct with no itchy,sensitive,puffy nips.The plan was 20/20/10 liquid nolva.Now i'm thinking about going to 10 tonight for another week so it will be 20/10.Again,I have no gyno symptoms or signs.I never have actually.I have a little metacort I could use after the nolva too,Just a minimum dose untill it runs out.
Yall think this is cool?I mean if I get any signs of gyno cant I just start nolva again immediately and be fine?I have read that gyno takes a while to form after the signs appear.I just don't think I'm prone to gyno at all........she's rightfully scared of me!!!! :lol:
Yall think this is cool?I mean if I get any signs of gyno cant I just start nolva again immediately and be fine?I have read that gyno takes a while to form after the signs appear.I just don't think I'm prone to gyno at all........she's rightfully scared of me!!!! :lol:
hman85
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Nolva does increase natty test production maybe a little less than clomid, but just use a test booster and some nolva nd you'll be good. Clomid is a b1tch I hate that shiz. someone had something on their signature that sums it up. "are you on clomid cause your acting like a b1tch" lol
hman85
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you have to go by feel i guess i would run for 3 weeks though if it was me. Just my .2 cents
TerribleTowel
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I agree with hman. I would probably go three weeks just to play it safe. Maybe do 20/10/10 instead. I'd just rather error on the side of safety.
pantera101
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Yeah it's no big deal,But it taste like sh!t and it's harsh on your liver.So I would like to end it as soon as possible.I'm probably going to end it sooner,but I might stay at 20 for a day or two more with 10 for the final 7 days.Like I said,I have a little metacort too which is an AI.I would start that after the nolva at a low dose untill it's gone.I don't have much.I feel I'll be perfectly fine.I used a super?phera combo with AX advanced pct only and was fine......(this was before I was a member here!)
bassgod272
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yea, unfortunately i will be using nolva. i wanted to add in clomid 50mg every night at bed time to kickstart things a bit, but i worried about acting like a little b!tch from it. so i decided against it. with that low of a dose, there should be virtually no sides at all, but still. i figure i'll use it next time. clomid IS much better at kickstarting your HPTA. depending on your cycle, 20mg of nolva for 4 weeks combined with 50mg clomid everyday, should be a superb PCT and cover all your bases. nolva IS great for gyno prevention and clomid, not so much. nolva DOES help kickstart the HPTA too, just not as well as clomid. i'll be fine though. next time i will not use nolva, i will use torem.
pantera101
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Thats a good idea too.Less nolve means less further damage to liver.
hman85
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It does taste rough doesn't it.
rhodesman
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Sorry fellas I didnt know it was a sensitive area. I was just reading some other dudes opinions, and wondered what Bass thought. Although I am def glad I asked. Clomid sounds pretty rough. Ive always used Nolva and 6oxo with good results. I like the idea of getting natty test back up as quick as possible. It seems to help me keep more of my gains. Maybe its just in my head.lol
bassgod272
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Nah bro, i'd stick to your original plan. eventhough your cycle was only 3 weeks and at 10mg, you sill used superdrol. you are still suppressed quite nicely. you may not be shut down totally, but you're def suppressed. also, get some p-5-p and bulk 1-carboxy. the delayed gyno down the road could also be from prolactin, bot just an estro rebound. i'd have some on hand just in case. i'm with you though mayne, fkuck gyno. i will say this again; if she shows her medusa-like face, i will kick her in the vag!! :lol:
pantera101
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A funky vodka and it imediatley makes me feel kind of light headed everytime right after drinking it. :think: I just mix it with water in a shot glass and chug some water afterwards.First time I took it straight and my throat had an acidic burning feeling for a while.
pantera101
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I already have carboxy 1 and p5p from you pm'img me so long ago about what to do for delayed gyno.I haven't been using the p5p,but I use a complex b vitamin supp which is why I don't use it now.Should I include it now,or later?I rthink the b complex does it job as well the carboxy 1 is why I have not used it,or planned on it yet.
I like terrible towels plan of 20/10/10 though.
bassgod272
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put it in a small glass of orange juice and chug it down real quick. this is how i do it and you can barely even taste it. it really doesn't even taste that terrible. it's just the alcohol you're tasting. clen is the same way. nasty. man up!!! lol.