looks like kush! yummy
Nobody is at war with you... you have flip flopped and begged for sympathy non-stop. You feel the need to become heated an irate because someone doesn't view the problems and solutions the same way you do. You seemingly want to call names and say people haven't walked in your shoes; as your end all be all argument. There just is no useful debating there. And jumping the gun an astronomical amount of times.I agree with you, I think we went to war the 2 of them and i so I doubt they will respond......my point was clouded with insanity and anger, my point simply is you souldnt have to wait for basic potential life saving z rays catscans, i dont know how to fix that...but someone has to.
I only got so heated cause dude basiacally in a nutshell told me I was to blame for my health problems when he doesnt know me, or my hirstory, and that I was "one of those people" guy doesnt represent even 1% of the people s views in our country....like my friend roids...who sides with the enemy from our other thread...this guy needs to go sign up with the taliban, he seems to back them more than his own country.
I actually have more respect for those little weasel bstards over there than these 2 dudes, at least the enemy takes a side and fights for what they believe in...no mater how fcked there belief is.
This completely ignores the effects of taxation on marginal decision making, which is what leads to increased usage of the public option over time and leaves the private option open only to the rich as a practical matter.i don't think you guys really understand socialized health care. canada has this setup, and any private citizen that wants quicker treatment gets private healthcare. when you have to wait 3 months for a non life-threatening surgery (ACL tear, etc), the wealthy opt for better care. the fundamental mistake that private health care makes, is that they suspect they will "go away", when clearly people would rather have and pay for quicker/more attentive doctors.
anyone earning in the 90k bracket (or more) will ALWAYS choose to have better health care for their families, than what the lowest tier is forced to deal with.
The increase in demand is not an added benefit, it's one of the features of socialized care that leads to inevitable failure.the added benefit for socialized health care is it makes people want to go to the doctor for a minor infection, instead of going to the ER when it becomes a major infection, and then refuse/can't afford to pay for the surgery.... any time you can slash the end bill by a large portion that will have to be written off anyways, will help. not to mention prediabetes screenings...
how the fck am I begging for sympathy? read dudes first post, he pointed his nose down at me cause I have a small health problem! thats all ? where on here do you see me begging ? and maybe I did flip flop a little but it was worth it just to show how much of ignorant prck that guy was.Nobody is at war with you... you have flip flopped and begged for sympathy non-stop. You feel the need to become heated an irate because someone doesn't view the problems and solutions the same way you do. You seemingly want to call names and say people haven't walked in your shoes; as your end all be all argument. There just is no useful debating there. And jumping the gun an astronomical amount of times.
SWG,
I do not agree with you like 99% of the times, but I believe you are on the right track in a way. I may not believe aloe is the healing property for 3rd degree burns, but I most certainly can get on board with taking care of your own healthcare. This is the basis of a free market, and healthcare is no different than any other market, there is no hidden driving spirit to jack up healthcare costs. Put healthcare into peoples hands, and let the shopping around begin. Get rid of unconstitutional programs like Medicare/Caid/-D, and certainly take down evil government subsidized HMO's
Dude, you are comical. Your close mindedness is astounding... you have brought nothing of value to the conversation thus far... your demeanor screams uneducated, yet you call others uneducated.how the fck am I begging for sympathy? read dudes first post, he pointed his nose down at me cause I have a small health problem! thats all ? where on here do you see me begging ? and maybe I did flip flop a little but it was worth it just to show how much of ignorant prck that guy was.
Any ya our healthcare is free......but my arguement was that no./..its not free....were masssively taxed....and the system is falling apart.
So if you like that idiot want to thumb your nost at my small medical problem and take it as me crying for help than you go right ahead. I now realize why you 2 are so similar, small town, hick, uneducated...etc etc I dont need to go any further.
I know wha my healthcare is like cause I live here, have for 27 years and THE POINT IS IS THAT IT ISNT VERY DAMN GOOD!, and its notFREE! like my ignorant canadian friend thinks.
I never said SWG was right in that attack. I said he was right in saying people should manage their own health care and government managed health care is not the way to go. If someone says something about a medical condition I had... oh well... no skin off my back. My junk hangs far to the left... bag on that.dude, let me ask you something, if someone insulted you due to a medical condition...would you be all over the place? would you be upset?
Ill tell you one thing, I dont let people thumb their noses at me, or my health, according to that guy everyone who gets sick is to blame for their ilness? cant anyone see how fcked that way of thinking is?
honestly if dude wouldnt have blamed me for our countrys poor healthcare and looked down at me because I now actually have to use it this thread would have never gotten so out of control.
and Im the one all over the place who sounds uneducated.I never said SWG was right in that attack. I said he was right in saying people should manage their own health care and government managed health care is not the way to go. If someone says something about a medical condition I had... oh well... no skin off my back. My junk hangs far to the left... bag on that.
:sigh1:and Im the one all over the place who sounds uneducated.
plz I beg of you dont respond im gonna pluck my own eyes out if I have to read anymore of this dumb thread.
yes my hick friend I am sighing at you as well.:sigh1:
Dude... it's my medical condition... leave it alone!this is what you offer to the thread
"If someone says something about a medical condition I had... oh well... no skin off my back. My junk hangs far to the left... bag on that."
I mean WTF?
I made my points and the responded to the attacks i was under.:hijacked:
How is it that it went from an idealogical circlejerk about the pros and cons of gov't healthcare, and the 2 canadians that have it, started a character assassination mission?
and you my friend were only attacked because you attacked me first! if you cannot see that then you more lost than you think I am.I made my points and the responded to the attacks i was under.
Then that sucks to be you. You will owe the hospital money and it shouldnt be covered by the taxpayers. Its ridiculous that the middle class with say limited insurance has to pay and then the broke people with no money to pay for a good get off scott free.At the time, I had health insurance through my previous employer, so it was OK. What if (for the sake of this argument) I did not have that insurance? (as I currently don't) Then, what would've/should've happened to me? I had a gash on my hand and was bleeding and in need of stitches. Without insurance, should they have turned me away because I was a "deadbeat"?
Blue states...You mean they actually balance their budget without a state income tax? Gee, I don't see how that's possible since NY, MI, CA and others can't do it with stupid high income tax rates.
That's creepy...almost down's syndrome-ish.Blue states...
Man get over yourself not everyone making a post is centered in on attacking you.I do take it inot my own hands, just took a week off to rest, and today im right back in the gym, and shortly I will be at the rivervalley running the stairs.
Again when you dont me, and you tell me Im to blame for a small health problem it just isnt right ro appropriate...I cant understand how you do not see that?
im just in awe that you cant...i pray, god I pray you have to eat your words one day.
Mitt Romney had his chance, did his damage, and bailed. look where Massachussetts is now with their universal healthcare. They are so underfunded, they recently DROPPED 30,000 LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that were put into the plan. They are cutting people loose after 3 years. B.O. wants to ensure that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS will get coverage as well as state benefits, regardless if they are in the country as fugitives. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it.well it was either him or another rich white republican, either way Americans would complain....Mitt romney will soon get a chance, then everyone will complain about him.
Tough job.
Or its a guy who was a Senator for 2 years before being president and is the very definition of smooth talker. Actions talk, bull**** walks. He kissed everyones ass and promised the impossible, and now it starting to bite him in the ass. He is cunning, but if Congress swings back to the right, and I hope to God it does in the House, because I hate Nancy Pelosi with every fiber of my being, it will be even harder for him to fulfill his unrealistic campaign promises.well it was either him or another rich white republican, either way Americans would complain....Mitt romney will soon get a chance, then everyone will complain about him.
Tough job.
My dad was an active individual and ran everyday, did all kind of stuff and at 32 was dead from cancer. I agree with you to an extent, but there just isnt much he could have done.Man get over yourself not everyone making a post is centered in on attacking you.
Im talking about body maintenance.. doing a seasonal cleanse, detox, taking organ support herbs, liver, kidney, gallbladder, heart, brain.... alongside the obvious diet and excercise. I mentioned spirit mind and body the three pieces to health. Its not about you running stairs... this just in man finds cure to cancer by running stairs...
PREVENTATIVE medicine instead of reactionary chemical drugs.
Obama also wants amnesty for Illegals. He gets a big **** you from me on that one. I would die and go to heaven to see INS given authority and manpower to remove all illegals while we create a comprehensive and strict guest worker program. And while Im ranting, English should be made the official language.Mitt Romney had his chance, did his damage, and bailed. look where Massachussetts is now with their universal healthcare. They are so underfunded, they recently DROPPED 30,000 LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that were put into the plan. They are cutting people loose after 3 years. B.O. wants to ensure that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS will get coverage as well as state benefits, regardless if they are in the country as fugitives. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it.
Great post!Well if you give a crap about your life at some point you realise that YOU are the only one responsible for YOUR life. Your options are to whine or get proactive and AVOID getting to the point of being in the doctors office, relying on the system and then complaining about the inadequecies of said system.
Dont you realise this is how i look at my own life?
Its comfortable to think the world is sunshine and rainbows but it isnt, people get sick so your options are to do something about it or just coast along complaining like all the other sick dying people.
We cant justr wait until we get sick to think about health cause sometimes its too late.
You think of any disease or ailment and guarantee someone has overcome it, with healthy mind, healthy eating and detoxifying their body.
Why not run for office so you can get some of your ideas actually implemented?"Obama also wants amnesty for Illegals. He gets a big **** you from me on that one. I would die and go to heaven to see INS given authority and manpower to remove all illegals while we create a comprehensive and strict guest worker program. And while Im ranting, English should be made the official language."
I like this, immigration needs to be slowed to a near halt as we are having enough problems these days with the people we already have. Why should we bring in more people to compete with what minimum wage jobs are left.
So what,I am from there and lived there for over 30 years.dude if you dont agree thats fine ok, you dont even live here,
Even if you keep them out there is still outsourcing which does not need physical people entering the country to work.lots of people feel this way, my girl is an immigrant her parent are the hadrest working people ive ever met, I have no problem with them being immigrants and living here, its simply that the economy is in shambles, we should shore up what we are already working with instead of funneling in new citizens to compete with us.
450,000 doctors can indeed be wrong.
Holy Sh!t Luther! Maybe you need to get back on your meds. You started to make some sense there!!! :surprised: Yes, maybe the answer isn't a new govt program filled with bureaucracy, govt red tape, and eventual rationing of services.450,000 doctors can indeed be wrong.
There is a real need for health care reform but that's not what is being proposed. Instead what is being proposed is a new government insurance program. That won't necessarily increase access (look into how many doctors restrict who they see and how that relates to what insurance they have) and will definitely not do anything to decrease health care costs (according to the CBO).
A big problem is that insurance is tied to employment, that needs to change. Instead of insurance ebing considered part of your compensation, you should be paid more and buy your own insurance.
Also, while I support increasing coverage for children and older people, if you work you can get coverage and pay for it on your own (I was surprised at how much coverage actually is, often less than 100/month).
I think you are the one who temporarily went off the meds and thus actually saw the merits of what I posted,for once.Holy Sh!t Luther! Maybe you need to get back on your meds. You started to make some sense there!!! :surprised:
Agreed.Yes, maybe the answer isn't a new govt program filled with bureaucracy, govt red tape, and eventual rationing of services.
There are other ways to insure people and their families besides group plans through employers or the federal govt. If there were a way to give individual policy holders a more competitive hand, then the insurance companies would have to be more competitive with one another for individual business. But, as it stands now, you have to take what your employer offers, through a group plan, with no bargaining power. Yet, the idea that private insurance companies can compete with the federal govt, an entity that can operate with net losses year after year, is ludicrous.
The idea of a "public option" as an alternative is bull****. In the long run, it will reduce competition and drive the quality of everyone's healthcare into the ****ter. Keep in mind, you can sue your insurance company, but you can't sue the federal govt. Under a "public option," if you don't like what you get, you have no recourse. Thanks Barry!
Holy Sh!t Luther! Maybe you need to get back on your meds. You started to make some sense there!!! :surprised: Yes, maybe the answer isn't a new govt program filled with bureaucracy, govt red tape, and eventual rationing of services.
There are other ways to insure people and their families besides group plans through employers or the federal govt. If there were a way to give individual policy holders a more competitive hand, then the insurance companies would have to be more competitive with one another for individual business. But, as it stands now, you have to take what your employer offers, through a group plan, with no bargaining power. Yet, the idea that private insurance companies can compete with the federal govt, an entity that can operate with net losses year after year, is ludicrous.
The idea of a "public option" as an alternative is bull****. In the long run, it will reduce competition and drive the quality of everyone's healthcare into the ****ter. Keep in mind, you can sue your insurance company, but you can't sue the federal govt. Under a "public option," if you don't like what you get, you have no recourse. Thanks Barry!
It is interesting that companies use outsourcing to cut their costs but the prices keep going up.So what,I am from there and lived there for over 30 years.
Even if you keep them out there is still outsourcing which does not need physical people entering the country to work.
See: Outsourcing Greenville the story of what happened when the world's largest refrigerator plant outsourced to Mexico leaving 1/4th of Greenville, Michigan residents unemployed.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1956329805897242874
Its almost like these companies with mission statements that talk about quality, commitment and respect are full of crap... Wait they are. Everything is about money nowa days people would bludgeon you to death if they were paid well enough, given enough biased information or taught to do things without question.. war anyone?It is interesting that companies use outsourcing to cut their costs but the prices keep going up.
Hmmmmm.....
They want americans to buy their products but would rather hire way cheaper labor.
Hmmm.........
The wonders of the service oriented economy.
Lets take a look at pharmaceuticals for one second.my two cents.
I agree with somewhatgifted in the sense that one's health should be one's own responsibility aside from accidents and things that a person cannot fix themselves.
Many of us who are fitness oriented already take responsibility for our own health.
Even people on the the harder things take steps to minimize the bodily harm.
As well as having a clean diet and pushing our bodies hard with exercise.
Cannot speak on Canada, but in the USA some have become excuse makers and blamers.
We had a case in which someone won a couple of million because they spilled hot coffee from McD's on themselves. Not to mention people who sue tobacco companies because they smoke three packs a day and get health problems.
Or trying to get snack machines banned in schools instead of teaching people to be responsible in their eating choices.
And we have people who bust their tails doing something constructive. paying for the benefits of some who choose not to work.
Or those who play crazy and have multiple kids by different people to draw assistance for health care and necessities.
I have a suggestion for those of us who are independent minded.
Let's terraform Antarctica, found our own nation where our hard work directly influences our reward and ban all those who want something without any effort.
And before you can go to the apothecary and get pills, you have to prove your diet and lifestyle are on point first(that is unless you have a condition that does not depend on or respond to those).
Just a thought.
We need to control our frustrations and make sure we don't expose ourselves to anti-capitalist arguments.Its almost like these companies with mission statements that talk about quality, commitment and respect are full of crap... Wait they are. Everything is about money nowa days people would bludgeon you to death if they were paid well enough, given enough biased information or taught to do things without question.. war anyone?
I agree. There are a TON of companies out there that stand by their product. Especially small business.We need to control our frustrations and make sure we don't expose ourselves to anti-capitalist arguments.
There's a way through this....
You will be singing a different tune when they have to shoot your ass up with a healthy dose of pharmaceutical epinephrine when you have an allergic reaction to your precious herbs.Lets take a look at pharmaceuticals for one second.
If a plant, herb or natural remedy works it can be harvested produced and mildly profitable!
BUT one cannot patent a herb or plant.... you can only be incompetition with other harvester/distributers and when people get HEALTHY they stop taking it.
ON THE OTHER HAND.. IF you isolate what compound or chemical causes the desired response then you can synthesize it and patent it!!!
The problem being... when you take the isolated chemical out you get side effects!!! The whole herb is what is needed including the stabalising agents!!
A synthesized, isolated chemical is nowhere as benefitial.
So they get rich, you stay sick, you keep buying and when you get side effects you buy more drugs.
The cause of all illness, disease and malcontent is lifestyle, diet and environment.
If we try to fix our problems with drugs we deserve to be sick.
Herbs FTW!!!
Exactly.I agree. There are a TON of companies out there that stand by their product. Especially small business.
In that lady's defense, you should not be able to use fresh coffee to smelt iron ore, and that's how hot the **** was. When your server needs asbestos gloves to hand over a cup of joe I think it's possible that the restaurant might want to turn the temp down on their hot plate.We had a case in which someone won a couple of million because they spilled hot coffee from McD's on themselves.
next time she should not complain that her first coffee was not hot enough.In that lady's defense, you should not be able to use fresh coffee to smelt iron ore, and that's how hot the **** was. When your server needs asbestos gloves to hand over a cup of joe I think it's possible that the restaurant might want to turn the temp down on their hot plate.
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