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This is true. But on a brighter side, all men will eventually lose a significant, if not all of their testosterone production regardless.

They should have included side by side what happens to average men in general regarding their hormones from ages 20 thru 40 WITHOUT steroid use. It goes down. In most cases, cut in half.

The point? Considering my family genetics and that "high" T levels for me was in the 500-700 range, by 40, it'd be 350 or less without the use of steroids. Now, after PCT I usually land on 275-325. Hardly a big enough difference. If I stayed on Clomid, probably could coast at 450-650 permanently.

I feel diet has just as much to do with low T as steroid use does. Just my thoughts.
 
fueledpassion said:
This is true. But on a brighter side, all men will eventually lose a significant, if not all of their testosterone production regardless. They should have included side by side what happens to average men in general regarding their hormones from ages 20 thru 40 WITHOUT steroid use. It goes down. In most cases, cut in half. The point? Considering my family genetics and that "high" T levels for me was in the 500-700 range, by 40, it'd be 350 or less without the use of steroids. Now, after PCT I usually land on 275-325. Hardly a big enough difference. If I stayed on Clomid, probably could coast at 450-650 permanently. I feel diet has just as much to do with low T as steroid use does. Just my thoughts.
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Interesting point you have there
 
So many factors weigh in with low testosterone and likely always have, but now that we understand it more, it is becoming more evident. Luckily we can treat it and it is become mainstream and not a taboo issue as hormone replacement was for some time. The one unfortunate side to this is that people now place a testosterone band aid on poor lifestyle choices and possibly other issues that should rightfully be looked at long before going on a lifetime journey.
 
kisaj said:
So many factors weigh in with low testosterone and likely always have, but now that we understand it more, it is becoming more evident. Luckily we can treat it and it is become mainstream and not a taboo issue as hormone replacement was for some time. The one unfortunate side to this is that people now place a testosterone band aid on poor lifestyle choices and possibly other issues that should rightfully be looked at long before going on a lifetime journey.
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Yup. I agree.

I also think it we're being ushered I to a new era of informative decision-making that should allow bans from steroids and really just about any other Controlled substance to be lifted. Once the digital natives are the oldest generation, I believe this will be reality for us.

The internet changed everything. I now know as much ( and in many cases more) than ur typical MD in relation to hormonal therapy and manipulation as well as the up and coming technology and development of new drugs and new therapies. This is another reason I seldom go to the doctor anymore as well. I just don't need their services. Quite honestly, their legal right to prescribe medicine is the only thing they have that I could possibly need on any given day.

I'm not downplaying the medical profession as much as I'm really suggesting that their field of study will need to become FAR more specific and expertise and experience will be essential in the medical communities' ability to add value to peeps like us.
 
That is a fact. I tell my endo what tests I want and laid out my protocol for him. I left the other endo when he laid out the most assinine protocol and then when I questioned his reasoning, he told me I could find another doctor- so I did. When it comes to hormone therapy, the client needs to be very aware and research everything because the doctors are far behind on the latest information. It is an odd thing, but reality.
 
kisaj said:
That is a fact. I tell my endo what tests I want and laid out my protocol for him. I left the other endo when he laid out the most assinine protocol and then when I questioned his reasoning, he told me I could find another doctor- so I did. When it comes to hormone therapy, the client needs to be very aware and research everything because the doctors are far behind on the latest information. It is an odd thing, but reality.
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Reality is, in order to stay relevant to ur career u must be a lifelong learner. A 1975 medical education is hardly worth much to us nowadays. General public knows as much as that decade of medical curriculum. People must carve out time daily to research and reflect on their practices in order to become and remain an expert in their field.
 
One important but subtle factor here is demographics. As the baby boomer dudes all get old and their testosterone levels fall off a cliff they're seeking treatment. It's a demographic issue simply because there are so many of them that the market demand they're generating is legitimising "Low T" as a medical condition. (Personally I don't think it is, it's actually HRT but as a 47 year old male I'm not going to argue that point). So, thanks to the Sylvester Stallones of the world for paving the way towards better living for aging males.
 
So, basically, I need to get some kids pumped out and then I can blast all I want? :)
 
Found out my wife was pregnant during a test/tren run after being on blast and cruise for 6 months. Not to mention after 3 + years of steroid use. Have many other friends who have had same situations. I don't quite buy it unless they are speaking on older men.
 
There really isn't anything to buy, it is factual. It can and usually does lower your fertility and is why when we go on exogenous test, there is a lot of discussion surrounding having children. Anabolics have the same effect.
 
Until there is some sort of published, controlled and objectively approached research base concluding that steroids can cause people to be predisposed to cancer, I think u can forget there ever was a connection.

Currently, no such evidence exists. In fact, steroids are usually given to folks that have cancer or any sort of muscle wasting diseases. This is and has always been their original intent - to fight muscle wasting.

Growth hormone, on the other hand, is a different story.
 
LiveToLift said:
Found out my wife was pregnant during a test/tren run after being on blast and cruise for 6 months. Not to mention after 3 + years of steroid use. Have many other friends who have had same situations. I don't quite buy it unless they are speaking on older men.
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It lowers sperm count not shut it off completely
 
blackdiamund said:
In 1986 at 24 yo, I had my first experience with stuff... cypionate alone for 10 weeks 400-500mg a week. After cycle, spent a month taking HCG and nolva. Next run early 1987 was cyp (400-600mg wk) and deca (250mg once a week) for 10 wks. Same pct as before. In late 1987 took same injectables and increased deca to 250mg twice a week and added dbol 20-50 mg a day. PCT was hcg and nolva again. Took a 6 month break and repeated the previous cycle in 1989. In 1990 used finajet and oral winstrol. While on this cycle, my wife became pregnant, and she had a miscarriage. I' m thinking how unfortunate. Wife was crushed. In early 1991 about 2 months after pct ended, my wife became pregnant again, and again another miscarriage. Wife was devastated, and when I mentioned maybe the gear I'm taking could be the problem... well let's just say it got ugly. All because of vanity she said... my selfishness and self-centered attitude. Well I quit cold turkey.

In early 1992, off of gear now for a little over a full year, she became pregnant, and in October 1992 we had a little baby girl. She was born healthy with no problems, a perfect baby girl. In January 1995, we had a son, and in July 1997, we had our last child, another son both very healthy.

In late 1998, my baby girl was diagnosed with brain cancer and doctors told us there was nothing they could do but try chemo and radiation. My wife said why, why us, what did we do to deserve this? It did not take her long to think back to the day my daughter was born, the miscarriages before, and she makes the connection. Steroids... whether they caused this or not, was getting the blame 7 yrs removed. So, whether fair or not, I was getting blamed.
In Sept 2000 after a tough battle by my little girl, she died. Fourteen years later my boys are 19 and 17, and even though they were very young when their sister died, they love her and miss her as much her mother and me. My sons do not know this story, but they will. My wife still blames me for it, and you know what... I'm not so sure that I am not to blame. Did steroids do this? I don't know, but it certainly is possible and I have to live my life wondering am I to blame.
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Wow! I'm sorry to hear this. I can't imagine going thru that. And how terrible for her to blame you. I highly doubt the cancer was from YOUR steroid use. The baby didn't use them. I could see the miscarriages having some possibilities of weakened sperm etc but you're talking about mutations to predispose your baby girl to cancer. More likely from the mother who carried her than father who fertilized the egg. Or even more likely is exposure from something in the environment. Hope the wife doesn't still hold u accountable. Bad enough you lost your first born baby girl.
 
LiveToLift said:
Found out my wife was pregnant during a test/tren run after being on blast and cruise for 6 months. Not to mention after 3 + years of steroid use. Have many other friends who have had same situations. I don't quite buy it unless they are speaking on older men.
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Milkman ? No jk... it lowers sperm count not stop it completely
 
blackdiamund said:
In 1986 at 24 yo, I had my first experience with stuff... cypionate alone for 10 weeks 400-500mg a week. After cycle, spent a month taking HCG and nolva. Next run early 1987 was cyp (400-600mg wk) and deca (250mg once a week) for 10 wks. Same pct as before. In late 1987 took same injectables and increased deca to 250mg twice a week and added dbol 20-50 mg a day. PCT was hcg and nolva again. Took a 6 month break and repeated the previous cycle in 1989. In 1990 used finajet and oral winstrol. While on this cycle, my wife became pregnant, and she had a miscarriage. I' m thinking how unfortunate. Wife was crushed. In early 1991 about 2 months after pct ended, my wife became pregnant again, and again another miscarriage. Wife was devastated, and when I mentioned maybe the gear I'm taking could be the problem... well let's just say it got ugly. All because of vanity she said... my selfishness and self-centered attitude. Well I quit cold turkey.

In early 1992, off of gear now for a little over a full year, she became pregnant, and in October 1992 we had a little baby girl. She was born healthy with no problems, a perfect baby girl. In January 1995, we had a son, and in July 1997, we had our last child, another son both very healthy.

In late 1998, my baby girl was diagnosed with brain cancer and doctors told us there was nothing they could do but try chemo and radiation. My wife said why, why us, what did we do to deserve this? It did not take her long to think back to the day my daughter was born, the miscarriages before, and she makes the connection. Steroids... whether they caused this or not, was getting the blame 7 yrs removed. So, whether fair or not, I was getting blamed.
In Sept 2000 after a tough battle by my little girl, she died. Fourteen years later my boys are 19 and 17, and even though they were very young when their sister died, they love her and miss her as much her mother and me. My sons do not know this story, but they will. My wife still blames me for it, and you know what... I'm not so sure that I am not to blame. Did steroids do this? I don't know, but it certainly is possible and I have to live my life wondering am I to blame.
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Seems unlikely that your gear use was to blame. As a scientist, what I see is 2 angry, frustrated people jumping to conclusions. Do either of you have any really good reasons to blame the gear? Did you do any research that indicated it might be the problem?

Really sorry to hear about your wife's miscarriages and the loss of your daughter. My first wife had a miscarriage, didn't have anything to do with gear though, unless she was secretly using.
 
"Study
The urologists studied 79 men who had used steroids and now needed testosterone therapy. Of these subjects 15 percent regretted using the substances, 85 percent did not."

This study is not looking at general steroid users, but only those who did steroids AND are in test replacement therapy. So out of 100 steroid users, this study is only looking at the X who needed test therapy. What number (percentage) is X? That's a more pertinent question, not how many out of the X subset regret or not using juice. Also, no information on cycling or PCT. Some juicers don't even cycle, so it could be that some/most/all of the subjects in the study were on TRT due to not cycling properly or lousy PCT protocols.

For steroid users, no useful conclusions from this study can be drawn.
 
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