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Article: Intermittent Fasting Issues And Psychology

Oh man, let the controversy begin! I'm in just to see what people are going to argue about on this one.
 
Reasons why I love IF

1. it fits my schedule
2. I have more time, less time preparing 6 meals a day
3. I've seen positive results

with that being said, I am not going to argue too much with the Author. I've caught myself in these "binge periods" and can see where someone with limited willpower can go wrong and develop just plain bad habits that lead to disorders.
 
I can definitely relate to this and going theough anorexia in the past its almost the opposite problem now, I love to eat a lot at once and this allows me to do this...other than that mental aspect I have not experienced any negatives to it
 
I like eating too much to go hours and hours without food.
 
This is utter bollocks. I have been doing IF for 2.5 years and I have never been in better shape. The idea isn't to fast all day and then pig out, you fast and then go back to eating like nothing has happened.

Training fasted is also better as the blood isn't in you're stomach helping your food digest it's in your muscles where it should be.
 
if you are doing IF and are still eating junk, you are still eating junk. if you are doing IF and still eating too much, you are still eating too much. its not really that hard to figure out but after being a trainer for 9 years and now in IT for over 8 i know for a fact that most people are idiots.
 
I only did it or 6 weeks or so and it helped me lose 1.5" on the waiste in that period while also increasing my insulin sensitivity.

I'm using it now for a few weeks at a time to "prime" my body into a bulking diet which consists of eating a normal bb'ing diet.
 
asooneyeonig said:
if you are doing IF and are still eating junk, you are still eating junk. if you are doing IF and still eating too much, you are still eating too much. its not really that hard to figure out but after being a trainer for 9 years and now in IT for over 8 i know for a fact that most people are idiots.
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Good point to make. People use diet styles to try and bypass the critically necessary parts of an effective diet.

Case In point: Carb backloading.
 
Quatie said:
blood isn't in you're stomach helping your food digest it's in your muscles where it should be.
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Statements like this have always been an issue for me. I heard this years ago about drinking some protein during my workout. A guy i knew from high school with crazy genetics but no knowledge of nutrition and a mediocre knowledge base of exercise told me "you shouldn't drink that during your workout, it takes blood away from your muscles". So there's not enough blood in your body to maintain multiple systems at the same time? Don't your muscles get even a minimal amount of "pump" during lifting depending on weight, rep, and set scheme no matter what's in your stomach? Isn't this pump created by increased blood flow? Isn't there an ever growing body of evidence that pre and intra workout protein (and depending on the study carbs) helps increase anabolism, and decrease catabolism, while helping to keep cortisol in check, increase exercise endurance, and decrease workout fatigue? Aren't these all things we want to get bigger and stronger?
 
mountainman33 said:
Oh man, let the controversy begin! I'm in just to see what people are going to argue about on this one.
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Works well me. I dont pigout....the author does not appear understsnd the diet. Maybe that is why he had problems. Glad he is ok now.
I have a cheat meal about once a week. Caffeine helps surpress hunger. I follow IF about 1/3 of the year during cuts only....not a big deal.
 
bakerwil said:
Works well me. I dont pigout....the author does not appear understsnd the diet. Maybe that is why he had problems. Glad he is ok now.
I have a cheat meal about once a week. Caffeine helps surpress hunger. I follow IF about 1/3 of the year during cuts only....not a big deal.
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I'll have to agree. It works very well with my schedule, specially when I'm trying to cut. I'm always rushed in the morning to get to class/work so I don't have time to make breakfast. Instead I just have a cup of coffee. I feel like this overall helps me increase my water intake since I down water when I start to get hungry. Also, I feel a lot more awake working out fasted. When I do break my fast, I don't pig out. I still eat a clean diet and hit my macros. Since I love to eat, having a small eating window helps me control the amount I eat and works wonders for a cut!
 
In for arguments
 
I've been on IF 1 year now. used it on a bulk and a cut worked great for me since i have a busy lifestyle. Isn't IF the lifestyle itself and not the actual diet? because you can do IF and carb cycle as your diet. and BTW while i was bulking on IF i stayed pretty leaner than the bulk attempts i've tried before
 
iddc said:
I've been on IF 1 year now. used it on a bulk and a cut worked great for me since i have a busy lifestyle. Isn't IF the lifestyle itself and not the actual diet? because you can do IF and carb cycle as your diet. and BTW while i was bulking on IF i stayed pretty leaner than the bulk attempts i've tried before
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Good effort.
 
bakerwil said:
Works well me. I dont pigout....the author does not appear understsnd the diet. Maybe that is why she had problems. Glad she is ok now.
I have a cheat meal about once a week. Caffeine helps surpress hunger. I follow IF about 1/3 of the year during cuts only....not a big deal.
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Fixed ;)
 
mountainman33 said:
Statements like this have always been an issue for me. I heard this years ago about drinking some protein during my workout. A guy i knew from high school with crazy genetics but no knowledge of nutrition and a mediocre knowledge base of exercise told me "you shouldn't drink that during your workout, it takes blood away from your muscles". So there's not enough blood in your body to maintain multiple systems at the same time? Don't your muscles get even a minimal amount of "pump" during lifting depending on weight, rep, and set scheme no matter what's in your stomach? Isn't this pump created by increased blood flow? Isn't there an ever growing body of evidence that pre and intra workout protein (and depending on the study carbs) helps increase anabolism, and decrease catabolism, while helping to keep cortisol in check, increase exercise endurance, and decrease workout fatigue? Aren't these all things we want to get bigger and stronger?
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i have seen similar studies talking about that. i was under the impression that the water to pro/cho amount was small. if memory serves me correct optimal intake keeps the volume as low as 8% of total fluid intake and your body thinks its a liquid and digests quickly and does not pull much if any more blood from elsewhere to absorb whats in the stomach. kind of like how gatorade and similar products are. for the amount of fluid the nutrients are low but just enough to have a positive effect.

but, i could be wrong. would not be the first time i have misremembered something.
 
asooneyeonig said:
i have seen similar studies talking about that. i was under the impression that the water to pro/cho amount was small. if memory serves me correct optimal intake keeps the volume as low as 8% of total fluid intake and your body thinks its a liquid and digests quickly and does not pull much if any more blood from elsewhere to absorb whats in the stomach. kind of like how gatorade and similar products are. for the amount of fluid the nutrients are low but just enough to have a positive effect.

but, i could be wrong. would not be the first time i have misremembered something.
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You can actually go up to 11% in order to get effective nutrient uptake through your intestinal tract and your body will absorb those nutrients much faster than during full digestion.

But I was also alluding to the fact that protein in your system before lifting has been shown to have anti-catabolic/anabolic effects when dosing an hour before workout. I'm pretty sure a Texas school did a study on that. I'll have to find it.
 
bakerwil said:
Works well me. I dont pigout....the author does not appear understsnd the diet. Maybe that is why he had problems. Glad he is ok now.
I have a cheat meal about once a week. Caffeine helps surpress hunger. I follow IF about 1/3 of the year during cuts only....not a big deal.
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I think the author perfectly understands the diet. There are people who can consumer the same number of macros within a short feeding window; there are others, me included, who either pig out and consume far more or eat far less thinking that it will aid in more fat loss. What tends to happen with these people is that the feeding window continues to shorten as does the number of calories, which my case fell to 1000 - 1200 kcals a day, whilst maintaining the same volume of exercise.
After a couple of monthsI developed chronic stress and destroyed my metabolism which took a long time to recover. All the author is saying is that this way of eating isn't for everyone due to its psychological impact and for certain individuals can have a devastating effect on their physiology.
 
You described me to a T bro

IMO, you nailed it ;)

saggy321 said:
I think the author perfectly understands the diet. There are people who can consumer the same number of macros within a short feeding window; there are others, me included, who either pig out and consume far more or eat far less thinking that it will aid in more fat loss. What tends to happen with these people is that the feeding window continues to shorten as does the number of calories, which my case fell to 1000 - 1200 kcals a day, whilst maintaining the same volume of exercise. After a couple of monthsI developed chronic stress and destroyed my metabolism which took a long time to recover. All the author is saying is that this way of eating isn't for everyone due to its psychological impact and for certain individuals can have a devastating effect on their physiology.
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saggy321 said:
I think the author perfectly understands the diet. There are people who can consumer the same number of macros within a short feeding window; there are others, me included, who either pig out and consume far more or eat far less thinking that it will aid in more fat loss. What tends to happen with these people is that the feeding window continues to shorten as does the number of calories, which my case fell to 1000 - 1200 kcals a day, whilst maintaining the same volume of exercise.
After a couple of monthsI developed chronic stress and destroyed my metabolism which took a long time to recover. All the author is saying is that this way of eating isn't for everyone due to its psychological impact and for certain individuals can have a devastating effect on their physiology.
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With the experience I have had, I can see how this can happen. Thanks for pointing this out. For pigging out, I was referring to someone not sticking to their macros. Do this could certainly lead to problems playing catch up.
 
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