Article: DAA Doesn't Work

I wish we could get a study on individuals post cycle when natural test levels are trying to recover. Wishful thinking I'm sure. Maybe test on elderly men with low test levels idk. Does daa improve recovery or will you recover just as quick without? I always add daa to pct but if more info like this comes out I may just save my money.
 
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by Will Brink Brinkzone

In the video below, I discuss the popular “Testosterone booster” supplement D-Aspartic Acid (DAA) and update my opinions of this general category of supplements.

Study mentioned in the vid:

D-Aspartic acid supplementation combined with 28 days of heavy resistance training has no effect on body composition, muscle strength, and serum hormones associated with the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis in resistance-trained men

Department of Health, Exercise and Biochemical Nutrition Lab, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, TX, USA

Abstract

It was hypothesized that d-aspartic acid (D-ASP) supplementation would not increase endogenous testosterone levels or improve muscular performance associated with resistance training. Therefore, body composition, muscle strength, and serum hormone levels associated with the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis were studied after 28 days of resistance training and D-ASP supplementation. Resistance-trained men resistance trained 4 times/wk for 28 days while orally ingesting either 3 g of placebo or 3 g of D-ASP.

Data were analyzed with 2 × 2 analysis of variance (P < .05). Before and after resistance training and supplementation, body composition and muscle strength, serum gonadal hormones, and serum D-ASP and d-aspartate oxidase (DDO) were determined. Body composition and muscle strength were significantly increased in both groups in response to resistance training (P < .05) but not different from one another (P > .05). Total and free testosterone, luteinizing hormone, gonadotropin-releasing hormone, and estradiol were unchanged with resistance training and D-ASP supplementation (P > .05).

For serum D-ASP and DDO, D-ASP resulted in a slight increase compared with baseline levels (P > .05). For the D-ASP group, the levels of serum DDO were significantly increased compared with placebo (P < .05). The gonadal hormones were unaffected by 28 days of D-ASP supplementation and not associated with the observed increases in muscle strength and mass.

Therefore, at the dose provided, D-ASP supplementation is ineffective in up-regulating the activity of the hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis and has no anabolic or ergogenic effects in skeletal muscle.

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Already been researched showing it raises lh. Still going to be in future pcts for me. Most of the studies done on it not working was in people who had healthy test levels already.
 
Kind of figured this would start being the case with additional research coming out. It was terrible for me and actually lowered test levels. Come to find out, this is actually more common than anyone lets on. Just don't ever say anything bad about DAA or you may as well be picking a fight with the people that still take it.
 
Another article about how it doesn't work... smh.
 
I'll again be honest in saying DAA has never done a thing for me. Now as for PCT... I may still take it but lets be honest, while taking a SERM how much can you really accredit DAA? Are you ever running it solo during PCT? Never

I may leave it out of PCT completely next time. Straight SERM along with supps that help with appetite, prolactin, est rebound and all that stuff. But, DAA did not impress me, ever.

I'm sure it helps someone because many still use it. Including me by default

Activate Xtreme/Triazole is the only natty run I have ever done (so far, on day 3 of Tropinol XP) that I could 100% without a doubt notice an increase in strength. Out of about 15 different products. DS has bloods I think though so... not sure what to think.
 
I think that the only reason this is news is because there were so many articles stating how great it was. Then we started using it and many found out it wasn't true. But, why is that a surprise at all? When you deal with OTC, you already know that it is always a chance and that everyone responds differently. To me, I chalk it up to every other OTC....except Agmatine. lol
 
JD261985 said:
In case any of you haven't noticed...Will Brink doesn't think ANY supplements work except for creatine mono
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Daa works for me.major strenghth increase every time I use it....and it works as reported by 1000's of others on forums everywhere.
 
nope does not work, I had bw before and during, total and free test went down,did not test lh wish I would have, and if it did bump lh I do not think it would be significant enough to make a difference in atheletics
 
j4ever41 said:
nope does not work, I had bw before and during, total and free test went down,did not test lh wish I would have, and if it did bump lh I do not think it would be significant enough to make a difference in atheletics
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Take it pct?
 
j4ever41 said:
nope does not work, I had bw before and during, total and free test went down,did not test lh wish I would have, and if it did bump lh I do not think it would be significant enough to make a difference in atheletics
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I find it interesting that most of the people that say how well it works never actually get blood work, they just base it on their workouts. Those of us that know it doesn't work for us, actually do get bw to prove it. Secondly, why is it that it lowers total and free test levels? I would think that it should either stay even or not be an amount that is of note.

Another side effect I always got and just powered through with the belief that it was working, was almost blinding headaches. It would be at the back of my head behind my ears and last about an hour after each dose.
 
What about the morning wood? DAA and mucuna prurien seems to do it. Thought that meant more free test floating around.
 
kisaj said:
I find it interesting that most of the people that say how well it works never actually get blood work, they just base it on their workouts. Those of us that know it doesn't work for us, actually do get bw to prove it. Secondly, why is it that it lowers total and free test levels? I would think that it should either stay even or not be an amount that is of note.

Another side effect I always got and just powered through with the belief that it was working, was almost blinding headaches. It would be at the back of my head behind my ears and last about an hour after each dose.
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I hear you ya, yeah I think most people go by the feel,i have gotten increased libido from it but I was also taking maca and long jack with it,i have taken 3-4 times to give it a good try but I have never gotten any improvements from it,as far as my test going down I cant say that the daa caused that as I went from 251 to 218 which is with in a normal fluctuation, I mainly mentioned that just to show that it definitely did not work,but if someone is like me and has crappy levels and you do get a small bump in levels you still have crappy levels, I think a lot of people take it with an otc anti e and my opinion is the anti e is working much more than the daa.
 
Well, it should happen normally, just as you mention. I am 39 and even with test levels of 200 before going on TRT, I can't think of a single morning in my life that I haven't woke up with morning wood. DAA has nothing to do with it.
 
kisaj said:
Well, it should happen normally, just as you mention. I am 39 and even with test levels of 200 before going on TRT, I can't think of a single morning in my life that I haven't woke up with morning wood. DAA has nothing to do with it.
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This. I have morning wood during the start of a PCT. Test levels VERY low I'm sure.

romangod said:
Morning wood ain't libido, bro. It's nature at work. Does someone want to comment on why this happens with DAA?
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I can take trib and get stronger morning wood, bro. Trib going to raise your test?

Just saying, you shouldn't compare chubbies to test levels. Blood results are the only way.
 
6andaHalf said:
This. I have morning wood during the start of a PCT. Test levels VERY low I'm sure.



I can take trib and get stronger morning wood, bro. Won't do sh*t for test levels. Not for me anyway... if anyone gets raised test from trib, speak now... but that boat sank a long time ago. Don't think you should compare chubbies to test levels. Compare blood results.
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Thanks guys. I had heard that for PCT DAA helped the HPTA balance get back on track. I only use it for a month coming off a short cycle.
 
So this is going to be TMI for sure but the first night I took DAA a few years ago, I had a wet dream. It was the only one I have ever had. Notable also because I was 40 years old at the time. So I do believe it has some effect on t levels or at the very least some hormonal function.
 
6four250 said:
So this is going to be TMI for sure but the first night I took DAA a few years ago, I had a wet dream. It was the only one I have ever had. Notable also because I was 40 years old at the time. So I do believe it has some effect on t levels or at the very least some hormonal function.
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Never to much information. Is there someone out there who can weigh in from an expert stand point, especially DAA's value in pct?
 
6andaHalf said:
This. I have morning wood during the start of a PCT. Test levels VERY low I'm sure.



I can take trib and get stronger morning wood, bro. Trib going to raise your test?

Just saying, you shouldn't compare chubbies to test levels. Blood results are the only way.
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If it does not raise test, why does DAA make me so strong every time I use it? Is it because I am 46?
Seems to be the only product I have found where I can put on what amounts to a pound or two of solid muscle each run.
 
bakerwil said:
If it does not raise test, why does DAA make me so strong every time I use it? Is it because I am 46?
Seems to be the only product I have found where I can put on what amounts to a pound or two of solid muscle each run.
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High test doesn't equate to strength and even the amount that it would raise it is negligible anyway.
 
kisaj said:
Well, it should happen normally, just as you mention. I am 39 and even with test levels of 200 before going on TRT, I can't think of a single morning in my life that I haven't woke up with morning wood. DAA has nothing to do with it.
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Lol it's actually not normal to have morning wood every single day
 
JD261985 said:
Lol it's actually not normal to have morning wood every single day
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I won't get into a stupid conversation like this based on what you determine as normal. Secondly, I'd rather not be normal and have daily morning erections than not have them. "Hey doc, I have a big problem over here- I get erections and am horny in the mornings all the time.. what is wrong with me???" Now THAT is funny.
 
Bengal said:
Crap I just ordered some t-x3. Fingers crossed. I hate waisting $
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Welcome to the supplement game. There isn't a single person on here that hasn't wasted money on supplements before. That is what you sign up for when you start venturing in.
 
kisaj said:
I won't get into a stupid conversation like this based on what you determine as normal.
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Sadly, his comment was probably based on a locker room study of about 3 of his bros. They should really warn people that join this forum, ignorant broscientific pretend-facts will not be viewed as fact, even if you DO have 2 years of highschool weight-training classes under your belt....
 
I have read and want to say, this was based on a study, the DAA was more beneficial to men say in their mid-30's as opposed to guy's still in their 20's.

I used DAA last year, running the DAA+Erase protocol that's so prevalent and has some promise and success for those that respond to it. I knew it was working cause I felt quite empowered and had good strength and some mild, but lean gains.

And like kisaj said, some stuff you waste money on, but when you find something offers some benefit, it's a great feeling.
 
I wish I got strong from daa and erase...

Its no different than normal, everyday gains for me.

I did feel undoubted strength gains from tri/ ax. Could be me... but I went from benching a max set of 6 to 10 of that weight at the time. Crazy first time results? I may have to double check one day.... :D
 
bakerwil said:
If it does not raise test, why does DAA make me so strong every time I use it? Is it because I am 46?
Seems to be the only product I have found where I can put on what amounts to a pound or two of solid muscle each run.
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no disrespect as this is my opinion, but I would say placebo effect, is there anything else you change when you start daa? diet? training routine? more intensity in gym? if you do have crappy test levels say at 200 even if you get a 50% elevation your still at 300, but I don't think you are going to get an elevation in levels anywhere close to that.
 
Probably. People aren't going to come into this thread to address that and you'll get more specific info.
 
j4ever41 said:
no disrespect as this is my opinion, but I would say placebo effect, is there anything else you change when you start daa? diet? training routine? more intensity in gym? if you do have crappy test levels say at 200 even if you get a 50% elevation your still at 300, but I don't think you are going to get an elevation in levels anywhere close to that.
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Well I am 46. I cycle daa and ara throughout the year and really notice the daa kick in.....no other changes in supplementation. I am on a daa cycle at the...started 2 weeks ago and even though I have been told its placebo....strenghth and hunger and agression changes are very up and very noticable. as is libido until I introduce erase at 4 weeks. I guess I must have low test levels. Never thought I did. Without any supplemention....I can still like I did at age 30. I don't get it...but ita working for me.
 
This thread is hard for everyone to swallow. I will include it in PCT regardless of any study. Its 10-20$ and still a staple for me... certainly helps more than nettle or trib.
 
I took dpol last year for 4 weeks. I did gain 1 lb a week. I did not notice any thing else good or bad
 
Bengal said:
I took dpol last year for 4 weeks. I did gain 1 lb a week. I did not notice any thing else good or bad
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A pound a week can be looked at a lot of ways. I can't see pics or stats but that's normal for a bulk for someone who hasn't been training long. On the other hand, could be awesome for highly trained people with low bf.

Either way, something that supposedly raises test enough for LBM... it can be argued that no natural supp can actually produce LBM. Not saying I'm on either boat really. I feel the argument is valid as I get more and more experience though.
 
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