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Article: 3 Reasons Your Calves Aren’t Growing

Arnold cut the bottom of his beloved gold gym sweatpants off so he had to see his calves. Je felt they were his week point. Franco would tease him about his puny calves. 2 years later his calves were huge. Check out old pics, they got better every year after. Remember how they looked when had those shorts on in the movie Twins,, look it up. They are huge and cut diamonds! Just a little story to take the edge off this thread, it was a doozy! Peace.
 
When I had little calves, I was so annoyed but did the same thing and forced myself to wear shorts so I had to see them as a reminder to not neglect them..
 
Yolked said:
It's not anecdotal. Like the sky is up and water is wet.. If you don't know that you don't belong on this site giving advice to anyone.
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Well, it's like this, education is important, you learn things the regular person doesn't and probably will never know. Like the difference in anecdotal evidence and data based evidence, and why it matters.

It's like this, just because you coached peewee football for the last 30 years doesn't make you qualified to start coaching pro football.
Just because you've gotten perfect at "operation" the game the last 20 years, doesn't mean you can begin operating on people.
And just because you've lifted and used steroids for the last 20 years, doesn't mean you are qualified to train professional lifters.
Does your 20 years of experience count for something? of course it does.
But I've been working on engine's for 20 years, def doesn't mean I can work at a Ferrari shop.

Yolked said:
So steroids don't work is what you're saying and you can train like a steroid user and get big when you're not on em... Where's your proof of that
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I never disagreed with what you said, or claimed you were incorrect.
I simply pointed out your lack of data based evidence to support what you said.

You and the other guy were going back an forth, back and forth, and no one was posting data that would shut the other down, so I decided to "try" to help you learn how to have an educated debate so there can be something to tip the scale and end the off topic discussion.

:thumbsup:
 
jbryand101b said:
You aren't understanding. I've tried and tried, but can't seem to help you understand the difference between anecdotal and data.
I give up!

Back to calf talk.

7 calf raise's for every time the Seahawks score, 15 for every time Panthers score to get your calves huge.
Go Carolina, but we all know the outcome.
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What steroids do is not anecdotal. If you think so then you don't belong here
 
jbryand101b said:
Well, it's like this, education is important, you learn things the regular person doesn't and probably will never know. Like the difference in anecdotal evidence and data based evidence, and why it matters.

It's like this, just because you coached peewee football for the last 30 years doesn't make you qualified to start coaching pro football.
Just because you've gotten perfect at "operation" the game the last 20 years, doesn't mean you can begin operating on people.
And just because you've lifted and used steroids for the last 20 years, doesn't mean you are qualified to train professional lifters.
Does your 20 years of experience count for something? of course it does.
But I've been working on engine's for 20 years, def doesn't mean I can work at a Ferrari shop.

I never disagreed with what you said, or claimed you were incorrect.
I simply pointed out your lack of data based evidence to support what you said.

You and the other guy were going back an forth, back and forth, and no one was posting data that would shut the other down, so I decided to "try" to help you learn how to have an educated debate so there can be something to tip the scale and end the off topic discussion.

:thumbsup:
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I also have a college degree. Not just +2 decades experience. If I have to provide proof of what steroids do to prove a point then you don't belong here giving advice to ANYONE
 
jbryand101b said:
Well, it's like this, education is important, you learn things the regular person doesn't and probably will never know. Like the difference in anecdotal evidence and data based evidence, and why it matters.

It's like this, just because you coached peewee football for the last 30 years doesn't make you qualified to start coaching pro football.
Just because you've gotten perfect at "operation" the game the last 20 years, doesn't mean you can begin operating on people.
And just because you've lifted and used steroids for the last 20 years, doesn't mean you are qualified to train professional lifters.
Does your 20 years of experience count for something? of course it does.
But I've been working on engine's for 20 years, def doesn't mean I can work at a Ferrari shop.

I never disagreed with what you said, or claimed you were incorrect.
I simply pointed out your lack of data based evidence to support what you said.

You and the other guy were going back an forth, back and forth, and no one was posting data that would shut the other down, so I decided to "try" to help you learn how to have an educated debate so there can be something to tip the scale and end the off topic discussion.

:thumbsup:
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I'm not gonna go look up some study to show him anything. I'm not a professor teaching a college course or some formal speaking... it's a forum on the interweb... I appreciate the thought tho... I thought I recognized jbry from the old PP forum...
 
FitnessLuke said:
Your statement is so dumb...yes you can still train without steroids and get big...
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Yeah at about half the rate as a steroid user. This isn't about whether you can make gains naturally. This is about whether you should train the same on or off steroids. And the fact is if you train the same either your limiting your gains. A natural workload isn't going to maximize your gains when on.. you can handle a much much higher workload so should take advantage of it otherwise you are limiting yourself. Then again if you do a higher workload on and continue that same workload while natural you will be overtrained and again limiting gains.. if you disagree with this you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Which you are.
 
Yolked said:
Yeah at about half the rate as a steroid user. This isn't about whether you can make gains naturally. This is about whether you should train the same on or off steroids. And the fact is if you train the same either your limiting your gains. A natural workload isn't going to maximize your gains when on.. you can handle a much much higher workload so should take advantage of it otherwise you are limiting yourself. Then again if you do a higher workload on and continue that same workload while natural you will be overtrained and again limiting gains.. if you disagree with this you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Which you are.
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Whatever man its not even worth it.
 
Yolked said:
Yeah at about half the rate as a steroid user. This isn't about whether you can make gains naturally. This is about whether you should train the same on or off steroids. And the fact is if you train the same either your limiting your gains. A natural workload isn't going to maximize your gains when on.. you can handle a much much higher workload so should take advantage of it otherwise you are limiting yourself. Then again if you do a higher workload on and continue that same workload while natural you will be overtrained and again limiting gains.. if you disagree with this you're an idiot. Plain and simple. Which you are.
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It's funny how natty guys are so sensitive about being "lesser than" enhanced athletes. Then get all defensive about how they can train just like a enhanced athlete... it's just plain and simple. The steroids work allowing more of everything. That same process, workload etc isn't the same as what a enhanced athlete can and should do as well as results they see... .
 
Why are you the only one that doesn't understand what is being said in this thread and yet are the one attacking people?
 
Yolked said:
It's funny how natty guys are so sensitive about being "lesser than" enhanced athletes. Then get all defensive about how they can train just like a enhanced athlete... it's just plain and simple. The steroids work allowing more of everything. That same process, workload etc isn't the same as what a enhanced athlete can and should do as well as results they see... .
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Dude im not being "sensitive" Ive been natty for 5 years and used mild anabolics after that.

So I know both sides. I made great gains both ways. The one principal I stuck with was to not train when im still sore the next day, but going balls to the wall when you are in the gym (even if youre natural) is what gets you gains. If you have it in your mind you should only push yourself 90% bc you're natural..well youre just robbing yourself natural gains
 
You were probably one of those guys who started lifting for a month and then decided to hop on a 4 compound cycle right away.
 
FitnessLuke said:
Dude im not being "sensitive" Ive been natty for 5 years and used mild anabolics after that.

So I know both sides. I made great gains both ways. The one principal I stuck with was to not train when im still sore the next day, but going balls to the wall when you are in the gym (even if youre natural) is what gets you gains. If you have it in your mind you should only push yourself 90% bc you're natural..well youre just robbing yourself natural gains
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If you know both sides why would you say training natty is same as training enhanced. That's just simply not true. I don't know why you would say otherwise if you knew
 
kisaj said:
Why are you the only one that doesn't understand what is being said in this thread and yet are the one attacking people?
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I'm not the only one. I have someone agreeing with me but wanted me to dig up some documents to prove it and end the discussion. I explained why I'm not doing that. You're new to the thread. I'm just defending myself. Tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and it's gonna go right back in your face...
 
I'm not new I've been following and laughing at your arguments. You are too far in to realize your mistakes and admit them, though. Now you have to go down with the ship. It was only when you knew you were in over your head and had to resort to name calling that I decided to comment.
 
kisaj said:
I'm not new I've been following and laughing at your arguments. You are too far in to realize your mistakes and admit them, though. Now you have to go down with the ship. It was only when you knew you were in over your head and had to resort to name calling that I decided to comment.
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What mistakes? I haven't said anything untrue yet... I don't know what you're talking about as far as any of that. Steroids allow you to train more, eat more and grow more than someone not on them. That's a fact. If you don't train more and harder and eat more you're wasting your time and money because you're not taking advantage of the gear. Then when you're not on steroids you can't train as hard eat as much or grow as much using same protocol. Your body won't keep up. It can't process as much nutrients and therefore can't maintain the same amount of recovery doing the same workload... it will store the stuff it can't use as fat... protein, carbs or fats- doesn't matter. The body doesn't discriminate against different macros- Surplus calories are all the same... Another fact... there's no more to say...
 
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