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Aromasin crucial ?

killerkurtz

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i am currently planning my second cycle and i am wondering if i need Aromasin or Adex?

my cycle will be as follows

dbol weeks 1-4 40mg e/d
test e weeks 1-8 500mg once a week
clomid 100/50/50/50 starting at week 10
and ERASE starting last week of pct

so looking at that will Aromasin or Adex be necessary? on cycle or for pct?

as i would find it hard to get my hands on them.

thanks any advice appreciated .
 
killerkurtz said:
i am currently planning my second cycle and i am wondering if i need Aromasin or Adex?

my cycle will be as follows

dbol weeks 1-4 40mg e/d
test e weeks 1-8 500mg once a week
clomid 100/50/50/50 starting at week 10
and ERASE starting last week of pct

so looking at that will Aromasin or Adex be necessary? on cycle or for pct?

as i would find it hard to get my hands on them.

thanks any advice appreciated .
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Cycle too short. Test e takes a whole to kick in
 
I Did 8 weeks of test on my first cycle at only 250mg per week and made decent gains that i was very happy with and kept most of them too.

a shorter cycle is easier to recover from right ?
 
killerkurtz said:
I Did 8 weeks of test on my first cycle at only 250mg per week and made decent gains that i was very happy with and kept most of them too.

a shorter cycle is easier to recover from right ?
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I agree with the fact that you should extend the cycle to 12 weeks, however is not a rule, and after all, i dont see any HCG in your plan so the shorter the cycle, the better, PCT seems solid, i like to add a cortisol blocker once steroids clear the system, ERASE will help with cortisol but youll wait 3 weeks, but to eachs own, ERASE is a fantastic product.

Now Aromasin, yes its crucial, you prevent gyno and also you avoid stronger suppression, it is said that E2 is 200 more suppresive than test istelf... altho, high estrogen will take time to show symptoms, so when you get em itll be too late, estrogen will build up within 1-2 weeks actually.
 
KenTheEagle said:
I agree with the fact that you should extend the cycle to 12 weeks, however is not a rule, and after all, i dont see any HCG in your plan so the shorter the cycle, the better, PCT seems solid, i like to add a cortisol blocker once steroids clear the system, ERASE will help with cortisol but youll wait 3 weeks, but to eachs own, ERASE is a fantastic product.

Now Aromasin, yes its crucial, you prevent gyno and also you avoid stronger suppression, it is said that E2 is 200 more suppresive than test istelf... altho, high estrogen will take time to show symptoms, so when you get em itll be too late, estrogen will build up within 1-2 weeks actually.
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Ok thanks, any idea on aromasin dosage while on cycle? and should i continue it through PCT aswell?
 
killerkurtz said:
Ok thanks, any idea on aromasin dosage while on cycle? and should i continue it through PCT aswell?
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Don't use it in pct use erase in pct aro is too strong and use it as you need it...for instance if I see bloat in my face and stuff I'd pop .5 mg adex aromasin is 12.5mg I think
 
KenTheEagle said:
I agree with the fact that you should extend the cycle to 12 weeks, however is not a rule, and after all, i dont see any HCG in your plan so the shorter the cycle, the better, PCT seems solid, i like to add a cortisol blocker once steroids clear the system, ERASE will help with cortisol but youll wait 3 weeks, but to eachs own, ERASE is a fantastic product.

Now Aromasin, yes its crucial, you prevent gyno and also you avoid stronger suppression, it is said that E2 is 200 more suppresive than test istelf... altho, high estrogen will take time to show symptoms, so when you get em itll be too late, estrogen will build up within 1-2 weeks actually.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but shut down is shut down. Whether you run test e for 8 weeks or 12, you will be shut down and prob need the same pct you would need for a 12 weeker! So why not just run it for 10 weeks then start pct week 12 and you should be g2g. Also why not just run nolva and clomid and forget erase? And to answer you ai question no you don't run an ai during your pct and IMO you only need it if you run into problems. You stated youve run this cycle before so did you have any problems arise? If not .... Then just keep it oh.
 
KenTheEagle said:
Now Aromasin, yes its crucial, you prevent gyno and also you avoid stronger suppression, it is said that E2 is 200 more suppresive than test istelf... .
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do u have a source for this?
 
Now Aromasin, yes its crucial, you prevent gyno and also you avoid stronger suppression, it is said that E2 is 200 more suppresive than test istelf... altho, high estrogen will take time to show symptoms, so when you get em itll be too late, estrogen will build up within 1-2 weeks actually.[/QUOTE]


I was wondering the same thing myself! I didn't know that taking an ai you can avoid stronger suppression!!! That's sarcasm btw Did you mean something else? And signs of gyno can be reversed with ar, adex, and letro, so not sure what you are saying.
 
BigShadow said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but shut down is shut down. Whether you run test e for 8 weeks or 12, you will be shut down and prob need the same pct you would need for a 12 weeker! So why not just run it for 10 weeks then start pct week 12 and you should be g2g. Also why not just run nolva and clomid and forget erase? And to answer you ai question no you don't run an ai during your pct and IMO you only need it if you run into problems. You stated youve run this cycle before so did you have any problems arise? If not .... Then just keep it oh.
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Suppression is suppression yes but you do realize that some compounds suppress more than others right? specially those with progestional activity, dienedione is a perfect example....now about cycle lenght, no is not the same, remember that the brain send signals to the testicles to stop producing testosterone, so that leads to testicular atrophy... now if you let that process to be too long, testicles can atrophy to the degree that they cant recover completely... you can also see how testicular atrophy is worser with time (week by week testicles get smaller, ect)... thats why HCG is mostly adviced on cycle, since HCG will still send signals to the testicles and they are still active... if that werent true, hcg on cycle would be worthless, and if you do some research, youll know that HCG on PCT or 2 weeks prior PCT is no longer a practice, we can say thats a prehistoric method.

Now about an AI on cycle. i no longer believe in using it 'just in case", you mean you want to use an AI when you start to feel gyno symptoms?... why wait? it is a fact that the use of test will build up estrogen so why not control estrogen during cycle?... about estrogen being 200 more suppressive than test, i dont actually have the source, but i know a few who got bloodwork done, and it shows that they are better if they control estrogen. Plus if you control estrogen on cycle, you dont have to control it later with a possible estrogen rebound.... anyways to eachs own, i personally wouldnt like to let estrogen too high, in fact as i said earlier, estrogen will show syptoms once its too late... i prefer to control it, and by the way, even with aromasin on cycle, estrogen will be controlled but not totally cleared

Best dosage for aromasin is 25 mgs EOD... i personally would like to use aromasin at week 2-3 and so on

And no, no aromasin post cycle, it can increase test and there is no evidence that it suppress the HPTA, but anyways, is not needed in PCT in fact just keep your PCT simple, clomid and pick some test boosters and a cortisol blocker... aromasin in PCT can hurt you more than help you... thats why you should control your estrogen on cycle.

Just my 2 cents.... oh and something else, with an AI on cycle, you will probably avoid that bloaty look, and in the OP plan i dont see any DHT base... so aromasin will do him good... and even with a DHT base, AI should be used, thats my opinion, to eachs own!
 
KenTheEagle said:
Suppression is suppression yes but you do realize that some compounds suppress more than others right? specially those with progestional activity, dienedione is a perfect example....now about cycle lenght, no is not the same, remember that the brain send signals to the testicles to stop producing testosterone, so that leads to testicular atrophy... now if you let that process to be too long, testicles can atrophy to the degree that they cant recover completely... you can also see how testicular atrophy is worser with time (week by week testicles get smaller, ect)... thats why HCG is mostly adviced on cycle, since HCG will still send signals to the testicles and they are still active... if that werent true, hcg on cycle would be worthless, and if you do some research, youll know that HCG on PCT or 2 weeks prior PCT is no longer a practice, we can say thats a prehistoric method.

Now about an AI on cycle. i no longer believe in using it 'just in case", you mean you want to use an AI when you start to feel gyno symptoms?... why wait? it is a fact that the use of test will build up estrogen so why not control estrogen during cycle?... about estrogen being 200 more suppressive than test, i dont actually have the source, but i know a few who got bloodwork done, and it shows that they are better if they control estrogen. Plus if you control estrogen on cycle, you dont have to control it later with a possible estrogen rebound.... anyways to eachs own, i personally wouldnt like to let estrogen too high, in fact as i said earlier, estrogen will show syptoms once its too late... i prefer to control it, and by the way, even with aromasin on cycle, estrogen will be controlled but not totally cleared

Best dosage for aromasin is 25 mgs EOD... i personally would like to use aromasin at week 2-3 and so on

And no, no aromasin post cycle, it can increase test and there is no evidence that it suppress the HPTA, but anyways, is not needed in PCT in fact just keep your PCT simple, clomid and pick some test boosters and a cortisol blocker... aromasin in PCT can hurt you more than help you... thats why you should control your estrogen on cycle.

Just my 2 cents.... oh and something else, with an AI on cycle, you will probably avoid that bloaty look, and in the OP plan i dont see any DHT base... so aromasin will do him good... and even with a DHT base, AI should be used, thats my opinion, to eachs own!
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thank you for the great response! completely answered my question and more!
 
After all the info given my planned cycle now looks like this :

dbol weeks 1-4 40mg e/d
test e weeks 1-10 500mg once a week
aromasin 25 mgs EOD starting at week 2-3

pct:
clomid 100/50/50/50 starting at week 12
and ERASE starting week 12
 
killerkurtz said:
After all the info given my planned cycle now looks like this :

dbol weeks 1-4 40mg e/d
test e weeks 1-10 500mg once a week
aromasin 25 mgs EOD starting at week 2-3

pct:
clomid 100/50/50/50 starting at week 12
and ERASE starting week 12
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Seems pretty solid!, id start the PCT at week 11 tho, i think enanthate clearing is 3 weeks, everything loooks good, if you could get hcg on cycle would be better, anyways, your cycle is not too long (but definately hcg will help, plus, pct would be smoother), good luck with your run bro!
 
KenTheEagle said:
Seems pretty solid!, id start the PCT at week 11 tho, i think enanthate clearing is 3 weeks, everything loooks good, if you could get hcg on cycle would be better, anyways, your cycle is not too long (but definately hcg will help, plus, pct would be smoother), good luck with your run bro!
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Who told u that? It takes 15 days for enanthate to clear your system. So week 12.
 
KenTheEagle said:
Seems pretty solid!, id start the PCT at week 11 tho, i think enanthate clearing is 3 weeks, everything loooks good, if you could get hcg on cycle would be better, anyways, your cycle is not too long (but definately hcg will help, plus, pct would be smoother), good luck with your run bro!
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Who told u that? Takes 15 days for enanthate to clear your system. Start pct week 12
 
ReyMan said:
Cycle too short. Test e takes a whole to kick in
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lol looks like someone forget a really important word.

Absolutely cruicial...test-e aromatizes, better hope you have an aromatase inhibitor on-hand.
 
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