Arnold continues to impress me!

[jjjd]

this is really a fundamental point. vouchers are the reason that Dennis Miller gives as one of his primary ones for abandoning the dems for the repubs. for many others it is true too. the primary reason people don't like vouchers (whether or not they acknowledge or admit it) is fealty to the govt. institution of the public school OVER AND ABOVE interest in the education of children and/or the ability of PARENTS to make choices about their kids' education vs. the govt/schools.

it never ceases to amaze me how many parents/politicians who are against vouchers, are the same ones sending THEIR kids to private schools. it thus also becomes a classist thang.

there is NO "seperation" issue. govt. does not give money preferentially to religious schools. it doesn't give $$ preferentially to ANY private school in that respect. PARENTS do. if 99% of parents choose catholic schools, quaker schools, jewish schools, whatEVER, it is not the govt. that does the choosing. eliminating that CHOICE is wrong. it limits choice, free expression and parental authority.

it is a TRUE choice issue, at least as much as abortion, etc. and yet this unwavering allegiance to the Holy and Perfect Public School (tm) takes precedence over the authority of parents and giving THEM the resources to make MORE choices.

and it injects much more of a market economy COMPETITION. public schools don't have to compete nearly as much when parents get the public school education FREE and have to pay full ticket for private schools. the market works. let it

 

[Dino19]

Did y'all know that Arnold is trying damn hard to take away the pensions of the firefighters in Cali????

Up until I read abut that, I thought he was a stand up guy....not anymore
Not when you mess with someone's retirement money

 

[jomi822]

The thing i think you people need to notice is that they are banning EVERYTHING. Steroids, ph's, soon dhea, and now junk food in schools? You are taking about us "kids" like we are fucking idiots. You dont think we know that junk food makes us fat asses? We know. What makes you guys any different. There are just as many fat ass adults as children only they dont have the advantage of having a healthier mrtabolism and younger body. How would you like your vending machines in the workplace to be taken away and replaced with some lima bean vending machines. Seriously you guys need to wake up. If i want to pack my ass full of pepsi and french fries then i should be able to do it. I dont need big brother in my fucking school cafateria telling me what i can and cant eat because some kids dont care if they are fat asses. I for one, think enough things have been banned and we shouldnt start applying legislation to fucking junk food. "impressionable young minds". what a joke. kids know that pepsi makes you fat and eating healthy and dieting will make you thin. its not rocket science. If i want to buy some greasy french fries i had damn well better be able to. Just for the record one of the finer points of the new jersey bill includes replacing pepsi,coke, etc with snapple, which has 2 grams less sugar in it than pepsi. Big win

 

[Orgoonian]

Perhaps a good start would be to get rid of the ever wasteful,and politically correct Department of Education. Return school authority back to the states,the way it used to,and was intended to be.

Let the people of thier respective states decide on these issues.Not the lumbering horror of beauracracy that is known as the Federal Government.

This is another right that is being stripped from us,it is just disguised as a feel good "hey,this is a good law that protects the kids from themselves law".This is how it always works.Think about your supplememt bans,and why they passed.Same scenario here,nothing new to report.

For the federal government to make laws to protect it's citizens from themselves is just plain un American.

 

[Cuffs]

Did y'all know that Arnold is trying damn hard to take away the pensions of the firefighters in Cali????

Up until I read abut that, I thought he was a stand up guy....not anymore
Not when you mess with someone's retirement money

Not just the retirement of fire fighters, but law enforcement and teachers as well. These are the groups that he targeted (which are the largest in Cali.) for support during his campaign, got the support after promising what was important to him and the groups, then turned around and abused, I mean used, this support to go after those who he vowed to protect and do for. Arnold has lost a lot of respect in the eyes of the aforementioned groups. Although, he has made some positive changes, and I know you're not going to make everyone happy in politics. But the way he went about things, has greatly changed my opionion about him. The associations of the above groups are currently pooling monies together for an all-out court battle against Arnie. It's going to be an ugly battle.

 

[iwannagetbig]

Arnold maybe impressing you, but he is most definitely not impressing the people of California.

San Jose State University survey. June 27-July 1, 2005. N=928 adults statewide. (MoE ± 3.2)

Approve: 34%
Disapprove: 55%
Unsure/DK: 11%

San Jose State University survey. June 27-July 1, 2005. N=686 voters statewide. (MoE ± 3.7)

"If there’s a battle over school funding in the upcoming special election in November between Governor Schwarzenegger on one side, and teachers and school administrators on the other side, who are you more likely to support?"

Teachers: 60%
Governor: 31%

Arnold has one term written all over him.

 

[Matthew D]

Perhaps a good start would be to get rid of the ever wasteful,and politically correct Department of Education. Return school authority back to the states,the way it used to,and was intended to be.

Let the people of thier respective states decide on these issues.Not the lumbering horror of beauracracy that is known as the Federal Government.

This is another right that is being stripped from us,it is just disguised as a feel good "hey,this is a good law that protects the kids from themselves law".This is how it always works.Think about your supplememt bans,and why they passed.Same scenario here,nothing new to report.

For the federal government to make laws to protect it's citizens from themselves is just plain un American.

That would be called "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" something started by Mr. Bush and NOW it is an unfunded mandate, that if you don't comply with makes you lose federal dollars for things like Title I funding..

 

[Orgoonian]

That would be called "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" something started by Mr. Bush and NOW it is an unfunded mandate, that if you don't comply with makes you lose federal dollars for things like Title I funding..

Not at all Matthew D.
What i am saying is return the school system back to the way it was.The Fed has no business telling the states how to conduct thier education system.

The no child left behind act sounds good,but in reality is just more control.By removing the federal government from the education system entirely,the states are then free to use cirriculim(sp?) that actually works.

 

[not_big_enuf]

The other very unfortunate downfall witht he NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND act is that teachers start to teach to the test and much of the real, important subject matter gets skipped. My wife and many of our friends teach for various schools and they all say it's a complete nightmare.

Not at all Matthew D.
What i am saying is return the school system back to the way it was.The Fed has no business telling the states how to conduct thier education system.

The no child left behind act sounds good,but in reality is just more control.By removing the federal government from the education system entirely,the states are then free to use cirriculim(sp?) that actually works.

 

[Matthew D]

TRUST me gentlemen, I have first hand experience with the cluster that is called NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND...
OO, I think you misread what I was saying... I was paraphrasing what you said into the little title that it has been given. The whole driving force behind NCLB was the misperception that was no accountiablity in education. The different political parties decided it would be an easy thing to hammer the teacher/education. While I am not saying that everything is great in education, I know that the first person that is usually trying to address the shortcomings in a classroom is the teacher that is in that classroom.

 

[not_big_enuf]

And addressing the vending machine argument, to get off topic, then back on... would you all agree that most adults know nothing about nutrition? Where'd they get this vast lack of knowledge? From schools.... at least by taking vending machines out of schools it exposes kids to some healthy foods they can perhaps learn to enjoy. this would be a great step towards at least combating some of the problems of obesity. it's clear the US society is misinformed or truly ignorant about nutrition (see the obese % rising) and the schools don't put the true emphasis on it that's needed or we wouldn't have the epidemic we do have.

i don't want to play parent for every kid, but somewhere you have to help fix the situation because nobody else will. you can't DO the parents' job for them, but you can assist if it's clear they aren't able to... and it's damn clear... kids in the US are rolling down the halls with a higher frequency than ever before. there are certain times we should be fighting for rights but in this instance we should be fighting for our kids future and health.