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Are JYM products the most overrated on the market?

lifted67 said:
All you mother ****ers need jesus, lol, who cares what name is on it, look at the ingredients, look at the price tag, if it has what you want and need in a pre buy it. It is truly not that hard when we have access to dozens of products that aren't prop blends:

White Flood
Max Reps
Catalyst
Pre Series
Wreckage
or just buy bulk ingredients from Amazon or something and make your own, or don't this isn't pounds and pounds of muscle we're talking about. It's pumps and DOMS recovery.
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Bulk ingredients from SNS > Amazon. The only advantage Amazon may have is free prime shipping, but you'll be paying significantly more for the same ingredients.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Yeah, man, I used to frequent certain atheist and xian/religious forums, so totally understand the motivations for what you and that blogger are claiming. But, I think part of my objection is that there is a risk of things swinging too far in the opposite direction.

EDIT: maybe to make my concerns here clearer...

...if creatine doesnt work 100% of the time as predicted by science, then magic.
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This I feel is a better summary - Invalid Link Removed
 
TheMaster said:
Its not the results I am speaking of. Its the effect the product gives to the consumer! Such as PUMP and feeling of focus/intensity. I also felt my strength was not as great on it as I did with other pre workouts I have used. For example you know what I did one day? I took a scoop of another pre I had to see if I was imagining things and I felt my lifts were better on it. I will admit that I have been taking PRE-JYM and I did recently break a PR with my decline bench on it though, but that was when I stacked it for the first time with High Volume. The other times I used it on its own with no stacking.

Do I give full credit to JYM for giving me that PR? No I do not. When I take the PRE JYM on its own I just feel like something is missing. Things just don't feel right. I don't have that tunnel vision and focus like I get from other pre workouts which cost less money. That is why I think his stuff is over priced to be honest with you for me anyway.

I could just be a stim junkie and need hardcore stuff. I do take things to the extreme so yeah thats how it is. I'll give you an example. First pre workout I ever got into was NANO Vapor. You know what I did? I took 4 scoops of that ****!
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So what I'm getting from this is you'd rather be stimmed out of your mind than use a product that will give you visible results. If you need to be stimmed out of your mind to have a good workout then you're doing it wrong. I have ran about 4 tubs of Pre jym and it works simple as that now I won't be buying it anymore because of his attitude towards other companies but that's fine so many products that can deliver. Pre jym is designed for performance and results and I think I can comfortable say the #1 thing we all are looking for are results.
 
Tylerclee said:
But I do like a pre-workout with agmatine. (Great pumps). I'm looking forward to trying conqu3r unleashed with creatinol-O-phosphate. Just with it had betaine.
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I think on OL website they have their creatine/betaine product for like $5 last I checked. I stocked up awhile ago and mix it w/ conqu3r unleashed.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Sweet as man, we have different ideas on what truth and proof entail. I know lotsa people find this navel gazing pedantry.
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I know what you're saying, but just in scientific enquiry we try to disprove the null for the above reasons. We might know how something works to an extent, but can we guarantee that something will work for everyone? There are always outliers. Even with creatine.

That's kinda it really lol. Meh, I like discussion
 
Jiigzz said:
I know what you're saying, but just in scientific enquiry we try to disprove the null for the above reasons. We might know how something works to an extent, but can we guarantee that something will work for everyone? There are always outliers. Even with creatine.

That's kinda it really lol. Meh, I like discussion
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If there are outliers, magic aside, then there must be some empirical, measurable, causal reason why. As such, fully within the realm of scientific understanding. A complete understanding of creatines MoA would be able to sufficiently account for outliers.
 
The problem is most of his products are GOOD aside from Pro Jym (id rather WPI) and his carb matrix (rather HBCD); its him calling out other brands that are just as good or better like NutraBio. If your going to call someone out call a ****ty brand out.

I like the fact the Pre Jym ISN'T focused on slamming your body with a **** ton of stims that might temporarily stimulate CNS to give little boosts in strength but rather focuses on proven ingredients that increase focus and alertness...similar to SNS Focus XT...the only Gripe i have with Pre Jym is i would have liked to see Beta Alanine at 3.2g instead of 2g...its just an odd dose when everything else in the product is perfect...

Also his approach to his multi vitamin product Vita Jym is applauded as most sports nutrition companies produce a multi vitamin with a **** ton of vitamins and minerals all thrown in without any methodical thought to it at all...

Jim needs to branch out of BB.com and expand to other retailers and scale back on the videos, lol. I'm not sure if that will ever be an option but time will tell
 
Good ole Jym is currently in litigations with BB.com and is also making alot of false claims. I encourage you all to check out some of his most recent videos and his battle with NutraBio
 
double s said:
Good ole Jym is currently in litigations with BB.com and is also making alot of false claims. I encourage you all to check out some of his most recent videos and his battle with NutraBio
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Yeah saw that when it first came out

I love how Ceo of nutrabio educates JYM on how to read a label lol
 
GQNemesis said:
Yeah saw that when it first came out

I love how Ceo of nutrabio educates JYM on how to read a label lol
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A lot of people learned stuff from that video
 
I didn't like Jim before he had his line out. Still don't like him now. He will get none of my money.
 
Just tried some of the myprotein whey&casein blend choco milk flavor, it's excellent and cheap.
 
Jym products aren't bad at all. I haven't used but as far as bb.com they were probly the best on there at the time. I wouldnt say they are overrated, they are solid, it's just that there are alot of other options available. He's just been really pompous lately. Couple that with that fact that listening to a video of him speak for more than 60 seconds is excruciating, it's like he has no inflection in his voice lol (So boring)and I'm good on him all together. Gotta love his shread diet including gummybears though
 
EMPIREMIND said:
Jym products aren't bad at all. I haven't used but as far as bb.com they were probly the best on there at the time. I wouldnt say they are overrated, they are solid, it's just that there are alot of other options available. He's just been really pompous lately. Couple that with that fact that listening to a video of him speak for more than 60 seconds is excruciating, it's like he has no inflection in his voice lol (So boring)and I'm good on him all together. Gotta love his shread diet including gummybears though
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Wait what?! Lol
 
That you've never used his products but they aren't bad.
 
lifted67 said:
That you've never used his products but they aren't bad.
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I mean bro we all can read labels.. it's not hard to tell he has alot of clinically dosed and patented ingredients. They are solid products, science backed. Just imo. Nothing special, alot of companies that we are familiar with have equal or better
 
It just sounded funny that's all. Like they could taste like a piss bomb but they have the right ingredients on the label
 
lifted67 said:
It just sounded funny that's all. Like they could taste like a piss bomb but they have the right ingredients on the label
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Yea I mean taste who knows. Protein aside, because it's like food for me and needs to taste good, I don't care how it tastes if it works. I hate powdered drinks anyways. If it was up to me it would all be pills, especially preworkout.
 
Naw flavor is good and ingredients are solid, it's the price-to-serving ratio that sucks.
 
lifted67 said:
Naw flavor is good and ingredients are solid, it's the price-to-serving ratio that sucks.
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Gotcha. Personally I don't think alot of his stuff even fits my regimen. Not drinking that dextrose, not taking beta alanine and not giving up my select and myofeed lol.
 
He's his own worst enemy. I'd use his stuff if it was price comparable - dosing/quality/transparency I like. He's an a$$ though, and the "shillery" got worse with every additional product he added.
 
I'm also in the camp of don't care about taste as long as something works. I would swallow **** flavored pills if it could 100% guarantee me a body like Arnold.
 
HellAtlantic said:
I'm also in the camp of don't care about taste as long as something works. I would swallow **** flavored pills if it could 100% guarantee me a body like Arnold.
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Transparents Labs Pre workouts are mega dosed but taste like ass.
 
That is the big difference between todays generation and us old folks, it's all about flavor now where back in the day, everything had 2 flavors @ss and gasoline :sad3:
 
Yeah I don't wanna waste money on something that tastes great but is just a placebo (or worse, tastes great and does harm to my body). I sort of prefer horrible tasting stuff in a way because when you think about it all the stuff outside of fruit that tastes good (cake, cookies, candy) is the stuff that isn't good for you. The stuff that you really should be eating (liver, plain grilled chicken, certain fish) is horrible tasting.
 
Any whey protein i take has to be at least 80% protein and has to be both Whey and Casein, most cheap protein powders are in the low 70s, Jym protein is around 68% protein. Do your Math when deciding on purchasing a Protein powder or watch the video by NutraBio to learn more. Most supplements are full of Hype and directed towards Kids.
 
jerard said:
Any whey protein i take has to be at least 80% protein and has to be both Whey and Casein, most cheap protein powders are in the low 70s, Jym protein is around 68% protein. Do your Math when deciding on purchasing a Protein powder or watch the video by NutraBio to learn more. Most supplements are full of Hype and directed towards Kids.
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Unfortunately that is how many companies are, targetting the uneducated....hate to say it
 
double s said:
Unfortunately that is how many companies are, targetting the uneducated....hate to say it
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what I think is funny is if you look in the Pro JYM reviews, a bunch of people say "I trust Stoppani and its good to know I am not putting chemicals or artificial ingredients in my body"... which I have to laugh at bc they obviously didn't read the labels and all the additives there are in there
 
cubs1987 said:
what I think is funny is if you look in the Pro JYM reviews, a bunch of people say "I trust Stoppani and its good to know I am not putting chemicals or artificial ingredients in my body"... which I have to laugh at bc they obviously didn't read the labels and all the additives there are in there
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That's the deal with the JYM army is a bunch of mindless followers that buy what he tells them. I popped into a GNC while waiting for some takeout and had the salesperson tell me their products are great. JYM is a name and people buy based on that. In his videos he makes reference to the JYM army. Its laughable.
 
That would be why I don't spend any time on bb.com
 
There are two types of people in this world: those who watch a Jim Stopanni video and say:

1. "woW, this guys a doctor! he said some big words and his tattoos are cool. take my money!"

2. "Wow, this guy's a doctor? He condescendingly parroted some bro-science in a monotone wheeze and his sh*t is overpriced. Never getting my money."

double s said:
That is the big difference between todays generation and us old folks, it's all about flavor now where back in the day, everything had 2 flavors @ss and gasoline :sad3:
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So who do you want to see emerge victorious from the law suit: Stoppani or BB.com? Hahahaha! I gotta say, I (usually, but not always) root for the person over the corporation.
 
I'm pulling for BB.com now after seeing the PP blog on how Jim might not have actually formulated Pre-Jym and other products like he claimed.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
So who do you want to see emerge victorious from the law suit: Stoppani or BB.com? Hahahaha! I gotta say, I (usually, but not always) root for the person over the corporation.
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I'm typically a David over Goliath kinda guy...but in this case I'm not so sure. Jim killed his credibility with all the lies he's told, so I'm not sure who to believe. I don't pay much attention to these matters, but I don't recall BB.com being an overly litigious company, so if I had to guess, I'd say Jimbo is probably in the wrong here...again.
 
Lynks8 said:
I'm typically a David over Goliath kinda guy...but in this case I'm not so sure. Jim killed his credibility with all the lies he's told, so I'm not sure who to believe. I don't pay much attention to these matters, but I don't recall BB.com being an overly litigious company, so if I had to guess, I'd say Jimbo is probably in the wrong here...again.
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He shoulda just stuck with his M & F gig......LOL
 
Lynks8 said:
I'm typically a David over Goliath kinda guy...but in this case I'm not so sure. Jim killed his credibility with all the lies he's told, so I'm not sure who to believe. I don't pay much attention to these matters, but I don't recall BB.com being an overly litigious company, so if I had to guess, I'd say Jimbo is probably in the wrong here...again.
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I don't want to get into it but if my word is worth anything, its that jim didn't formulate his products.
 
Synapsin said:
I don't want to get into it but if my word is worth anything, its that jim didn't formulate his products.
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Your word is worth a LOT. Between you saying that and what I've read recently, it's clear to me which side is in the right.
 
Lynks8 said:
Your word is worth a LOT. Between you saying that and what I've read recently, it's clear to me which side is in the right.
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Thanks man. I used to work for bb.com so I actually have insider insight on this topic. I have no idea about this 3 year contract business but he definitely didn't formulate the product.
 
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