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ArA stack, do you need GMS?

EatMoar

EatMoar

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So in running ArA do you need GMS? I was thinking about using something I already have, like agmatine + citrilline maltate. I never liked GMS, dosing it above 2g gave me really bad stomach ache/pain so i want to stray away from it. Would it be okay to substitute GMS for agmatine +CM?

Also would this dosing work:

Morning
multi

PreWorkout
1.5g ArA
2g alcar
1000mg agmatine + 6g of CM
200mg caffeine

6-8 hours later - fish oil
 
I barely use the recommended dose of GMS in my ArA stack (it's whatever is in 1 scoop of Hemavol, which isn't very much) and I'm noticing pretty good strength gains. I do use the full dosage of ALCAR though.
 
You can't "substitute" GMS with Agmatine or Cit. Mal. GMS is used with ArA for emulsification purposes. Although GMS does elicit pumps like Agmatine and Cit. Mal (albeit, in a non NO-dependent manner), this isn't the purpose of supplementing GMS with ArA.

That being said, GMS isn't necessary with ArA. It may enhance ArA, but it's not an absolute need or anything along those lines.
 
EatMoar said:
So in running ArA do you need GMS? I was thinking about using something I already have, like agmatine + citrilline maltate. I never liked GMS, dosing it above 2g gave me really bad stomach ache/pain so i want to stray away from it. Would it be okay to substitute GMS for agmatine +CM?

Also would this dosing work:

Morning
multi

PreWorkout
1.5g ArA
2g alcar
1000mg agmatine + 6g of CM
200mg caffeine

6-8 hours later - fish oil
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I believe the reason behind gms is for emulsification purposes. It could make the ara more effective. Cm and agmatine wouldn't carry the same benefit but I may be wrong about that.
 
EatMoar said:
how long can i run it for? ive seen no more than 50 days, but then i see people logging it for 15+ weeks
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You can run it for long periods of time, but the recommended cycle is traditionally 50 workouts (if you are taking it preworkout only, which you should be).
 
If using on an empty stomach, then I'd recommend GMS. If taking with a meal, you don't.

Emulsification is the reason why fish oil and most fatty acid supplements (X-Factor/ArA falls under this) are recommended to be taken with a meal. What I personally like to do is take my X-Factor with either High Volume + an added scoop of Glycergrow or take it with 2 scoops of Ultra Peptide 2.0 (which provides protein and fats) if I am running behind a bit on calories for the day or my meal timing wasnt ideal.

As youre asking for advice, Im guessing you havent bought your ArA yet which is perfect as NP has it on sale for under $30

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ARA with some Hemavol and Compete give you everything you need: GMS, Cit-Mal, Agmatine, and Carnitine. If you intend to run this for a long duration you may want to look at Joint Help as well. I love ARA but it definitely reacts poorly with my elbow tendonitis (pre-existing), the good news is that Joint Force + Joint Help seem to keep that at bay relatively well.
 
Lol reps running wild! I already bought xgels and alcar. I'm not going to bother with hemavol since its gms content is negligible.

Thanks for the replys fellas. Time to get swolen... Literally
 
EatMoar said:
Lol reps running wild! I already bought xgels and alcar. I'm not going to bother with hemavol since its gms content is negligible.

Thanks for the replys fellas. Time to get swolen... Literally
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Definitely wont get you the 6g recommended dose.
 
IMO You really do not need it, I've used it and it did not make any difference at all except in the mind through placebo effects.
 
MrPoop said:
IMO You really do not need it, I've used it and it did not make any difference at all except in the mind through placebo effects.
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I think its role is more than placebo. Neuron posted in depth about how beneficial it is
 
AS GMS is too cheap not to grab some to run alongside ArA.
 
Hundreds of people have used ArA without GMS and have had success. It is beneficial but not necessary.
 
Patuba said:
Hundreds of people have used ArA without GMS and have had success. It is beneficial but not necessary.
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I agree, it wont prevent it from working by not having it; but i like to get the absolute most out of everything.
 
Car say I've ever notice a difference either. I still tecommend it cause science though

And gms is cheap, I figure why not. I like it on its own, just haven't seen it personally amplify my ArA experience, but def adds to skin tearing pumps
 
My phone blows.

Can't*
 
Jiigzz said:
I agree, it wont prevent it from working by not having it; but i like to get the absolute most out of everything.
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With the price of ara being high, and the price of gms being low.. if you are going to shell the cash for ara, do it the best!
 
R1balla said:
Have you ran ArA twice? One with gms one without?
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I've been run numerous cycles of X-Factor since it's come out. The last 2 cycles with GMS. Can't really say I notice a difference but like everyone says GMS is cheap so might as well.
 
As others have said its not necessary but its dirt cheap so why not optimize your run with it.
 
warbird01 said:
Car say I've ever notice a difference either. I still tecommend it cause science though

And gms is cheap, I figure why not. I like it on its own, just haven't seen it personally amplify my ArA experience, but def adds to skin tearing pumps
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Completely agreed from my experience as well.

X-Factor rocks without the now typical stackers, but with LCLT and GMS having scientific backing regarding synergy and are both affordable, I figure why not.
 
EatMoar said:
I bought some glycergrow for funsies and time to own it
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Glycergrow plus anything PWO wise is ridiculously good. You'll blow up for sure in the gym...but eventually you'll lose some of that water swelling when you get home. Really fills you out though when you take it and drink enough water!
 
Piston Honda said:
Glycergrow plus anything PWO wise is ridiculously good. You'll blow up for sure in the gym...but eventually you'll lose some of that water swelling when you get home. Really fills you out though when you take it and drink enough water!
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Exactly this. Always best to ensure you're drinking in plenty of water when using GMS.
 
cbsharpe said:
Darn, you guys are gonna make me pull the trigger on ArA real soon.......
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No better time than now, X-Factor for under $30 isnt going to last forever!

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Piston Honda said:
Glycergrow plus anything PWO wise is ridiculously good. You'll blow up for sure in the gym...but eventually you'll lose some of that water swelling when you get home. Really fills you out though when you take it and drink enough water!
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Agreed, GMS is awesome for temporary fullness during a workout.
 
cbsharpe said:
SwolenONE said:
No better time than now, X-Factor for under $30 isnt going to last forever!

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I'm ordering this tomorrow....
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Glad to hear it!!

Expect the MN line to be insanely well priced at NP from this point forward... including the new Test Factor which will blow minds next month!! They'll have a killer intro deal.
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aaronuconn said:
You can't "substitute" GMS with Agmatine or Cit. Mal. GMS is used with ArA for emulsification purposes. Although GMS does elicit pumps like Agmatine and Cit. Mal (albeit, in a non NO-dependent manner), this isn't the purpose of supplementing GMS with ArA.

That being said, GMS isn't necessary with ArA. It may enhance ArA, but it's not an absolute need or anything along those lines.
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I actually get better pumps with GMS than agmatine orcitrulline.
 
ericool007 said:
Judt do 3 scoops of high volume like me with 2 grams of ara, the pumps are pretty ridiculous.
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Thats what ive been doing as of late. Solid combo. Almost out of the high volume though so will be switching back to my magical never ending tub of glycergrow
 
CaptainSlentz said:
Thats what ive been doing as of late. Solid combo. Almost out of the high volume though so will be switching back to my magical never ending tub of glycergrow
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Thats funny, I only have a couple workouts left worth of High Volume, then i too will go back to my never-ending Glycergrow ive had for 3 years, i think it finally expires next month LOL
 
aaronuconn said:
I was just noting that the purpose of GMS isn't for the pumps, therefore you couldn't just substitute with Agmatine or Citrulline.
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I know. I was just making a statement. I wasnt trying to discredit your post, I know better than to do that ;)
 
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