Apex Dienogen Log (unsponsored)

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As the title says, this is an unsponsored log of Apex Alchemy’s Dienogen (Dienolone acetate). I went back and forth and decided to log it since it’s starting off so well.

I’m a dude in my 40s, a little over 6 ft tall, weigh 200 lbs, and have been lifting since I was a teenager. Before touching AAS, I was diagnosed with hypogonadism when I was in my mid 20s. So I figured screw it, ran a cycle of epistane, of course didn’t recover since there was no way that was happening, then started TRT. I swear replacement therapy saved me with just the mental aspects alone. It was such a game changer for me. I have some........baggage upstairs; the pleasantries of a lifetime of military and paramilitary service I suppose. Getting my hormones balanced really helped me carry on.

Anyway, I run a blast or two a year. Nothing too crazy and always include some form of DHT since we have a great relationship. Last year I played with my first 19 nor but had to cut it short because of some life events. I don’t foresee anything getting in the way of this blast.

Now for the goods. I’ve been using the dien for just over a week. It hit fast, much faster than I thought it would. I’m also running Var and my normal TRT dose of test. Nothing too crazy since I’m still figuring out my tolerance for 19 nors. So far it’s great! Current doses are as follows:

1. Dienolone - 75 mg daily
2. Var - 35 mg daily (I don’t need much)
3. Test - 150 mg weekly

EDIT: As of 02/16/21 doses are as follows:
1. Dienolone 100mg daily
2. Var - 50 mg daily
3. Test - 150 mg weekly

Supports:
Inhibit-P
TUDCA
ProteX (cycle support)
Apex Helios for inflammation

Daily staples:
Cialis - 5 mg
Fish oil
Natto
K2
D3
Sh!t ton of other things that’ll take forever to list. I might cover that later.

On hand supports:
Caber
Exem
Ralox

The plan here is a chill (ish) run with a reduction in body fat. I’m just under 15% bf and don’t want to add anymore, so I’m carefully balancing macros with doses of the fun stuff. I’d of course welcome a gain in lean mass. With that in mind, I’m really curious what I can handle with the dien so I will be bumping it up and adjusting caloric intake accordingly. If I’m still dropping body fat and sides are manageable, I’ll up the dose of dien and likely add more Var. I don’t plan on going above 150 mg of dien. Hell, 100 might kick my ass. So far so good though.

That’s about it to start. Here’s a couple starting pics. I’m not a Greek god like some of the dudes on here and I’m not super strong, but I’m very determined to improve both my physique and strength.

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I'm in.

You're at a Great starting spot brother.
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Looking big already 💪 I think with the compounds you're running and with the goal you laid out, you have a real good change getting to a very athletic look. Not sure if it's the proper wording you like to go for 😄 It's just my personal goal allways - to be jacked and athletic.

Did you have a time period for this blast in mind?
 
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Looking big already 💪 I think with the compounds you're running and with the goal you laid out, you have a real good change getting to a very athletic look. Not sure if it's the proper wording you like to go for 😄 It's just my personal goal allways - to be jacked and athletic.

Did you have a time period for this blast in mind?
That’s probably the best way to put it, “an athletic look.” No goals of becoming a mass monster here at all. I appreciate the complement as well man! Regarding the length of this run, I’m going to be a total hypocrite. I would never suggest someone else start a blast or cycle without a length in mind, or a defined goal for that matter. But here I am without a major goal (except dropping some bf) and no real solid length. Minimum of 8 weeks for sure, but it really depends on how the dien is treating me. I’m only running the var for 6-7 weeks. Even being a low dose, I don’t like running orals too long. So, the short answer (too late) is minimum of 8 weeks.
 
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I suppose I should have covered first impressions in the original post, but I’ll post them now.

There are some other threads that discuss the smell of Apex TDs, and for good reason. Most folks don’t want to put something on their body if they don’t like the smell, which is totally understandable. I honestly don’t have this problem with their products. They all (the ones I’ve used anyway) have a pleasant smell, kind of like aromatherapy. That’s the only way I can describe it. It doesn’t smell medicinal to me. My wife thinks Apex TDs smell very good as well. Besides that, the smell dissipates fairly quickly anyway.

I like that I’m not sticky after application. It seems to absorb very fast, leaving no residue on my skin. I personally use nitrile gloves to spread it around, then let whatever hasn’t absorbed right away air dry for a minute or two. Very fast process.

Noted benefits so far have been a major reduction in recovery time between sets. I often “mega set,” if you will, and I find that after the third exercise in the set, I’m ready for the first again with no break. It’s stupid (a gooooood stupid) and hit early on. Strength is up a little, nothing crazy. That said, I don’t expect strength increases yet.

I’m impressed so far, to say the least.
 
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Well, apparently shoveling snow burns a crap load of calories, who knew haha. Saturday is my rest day, but we got hammered by this storm that’s kicking everyone’s ass so I got in a “session” yesterday anyway. I wear a calorie tracker/heart rate monitor when I train so I threw it on before ridding my driveway of the falling ice from the sky. Almost 1,000 calories burned yesterday from that alone. We’re still getting snowed on so I had to hit the driveway a couple times today, once right before my leg workout. Needless to say, the scheduled leg training was shortened due to my hamstrings already being throttled.

Each group of exercises is one “set.” I only rest after the last exercise in the set. When my heart rate drops to 65% of my max rate, I start at the first exercise in the set again until I’ve went through it 4 times. Then it’s over to the next set of exercises.

Set 1 (4 times)
Goblet squat (50lb dumbbell) x 12
Empty hip thrust (3 second hold at the top) x 12
Sideways leg raise x 12 each leg
Bicycle crunch x 20

Set 2 (4 times)
Hip thrust (50lb dumbbell) x 12 (3 second hold at the top
Oblique crunches x 10 per side
Lateral band walk x 15 each direction

Set 3 (4 times)
Cable leg extension (single leg) (30lbs) x 20
(3 second hold at the top)
Standing calf raise (45lbs) in each hand x 20

Set 4 (3 times)
Lying leg curl (single leg) (30lbs) x 20
(3 second hold at the top)
Standing calf raise (wide stance) (45lbs) each hand x 20

Not gonna lie, set 4 was atrocious. The first time through I could barely hold for 3 on leg curls. The last two sets I might have paused for a second at the top, but probably not even that long haha.

Although this wasn’t as much volume as I prefer, and the weights were light, I feel like I wouldn’t have been able to even squeak out this much last week following a couple days of shoveling. There is a definite increase in work capacity and recovery time is still nice and short. Loving the dien so far.

Edit: I’ll try to throw in screenshots of my workout results (from the tracker) if I remember.
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Well, apparently shoveling snow burns a crap load of calories, who knew haha. Saturday is my rest day, but we got hammered by this storm that’s kicking everyone’s ass so I got in a “session” yesterday anyway. I wear a calorie tracker/heart rate monitor when I train so I threw it on before ridding my driveway of the falling ice from the sky. Almost 1,000 calories burned yesterday from that alone. We’re still getting snowed on so I had to hit the driveway a couple times today, once right before my leg workout. Needless to say, the scheduled leg training was shortened due to my hamstrings already being throttled.

Each group of exercises is one “set.” I only rest after the last exercise in the set. When my heart rate drops to 65% of my max rate, I start at the first exercise in the set again until I’ve went through it 4 times. Then it’s over to the next set of exercises.

Set 1 (4 times)
Goblet squat (50lb dumbbell) x 12
Empty hip thrust (3 second hold at the top) x 12
Sideways leg raise x 12 each leg
Bicycle crunch x 20

Set 2 (4 times)
Hip thrust (50lb dumbbell) x 12 (3 second hold at the top
Oblique crunches x 10 per side
Lateral band walk x 15 each direction

Set 3 (4 times)
Cable leg extension (single leg) (30lbs) x 20
(3 second hold at the top)
Standing calf raise (45lbs) in each hand x 20

Set 4 (3 times)
Lying leg curl (single leg) (30lbs) x 20
(3 second hold at the top)
Standing calf raise (wide stance) (45lbs) each hand x 20

Not gonna lie, set 4 was atrocious. The first time through I could barely hold for 3 on leg curls. The last two sets I might have paused for a second at the top, but probably not even that long haha.

Although this wasn’t as much volume as I prefer, and the weights were light, I feel like I wouldn’t have been able to even squeak out this much last week following a couple days of shoveling. There is a definite increase in work capacity and recovery time is still nice and short. Loving the dien so far.
Home gym?
 
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Do have specific leg machines or are you doing this with a pulley system? Trying to add some variety for accessory work
No specific leg machine (I wish), plus my knees are thrashed, so I’m kinda limited on what I can get away with. Sunday is usually the only day I go to the gym so I can hog one of the leg presses and various machines for quad and hamstring isolation. I do squat at home but very light. I also have a smith machine that I use to squat with as well. I finally installed a landmine a couple weeks ago so that’s also opened up some squat variants. My rack has low and high pulleys, so I use the lows for leg extensions and leg curls, but I can only do one leg at a time which kinda sucks. Your setup is badass. I’m envious.
 
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Will be following as I have some on hand I want to run with Var/trt. Bro you’re pretty jacked already

You on the west coast? PNW?
 
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Will be following as I have some on hand I want to run with Var/trt. Bro you’re pretty jacked already

You on the west coast? PNW?
Thanks much man! I honestly still see myself as a scrawny kid who can’t lift a hundred pounds. I’m not on the west coast.
 
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Had an early start to the day so, to be honest, I was kind of a cranky ass. Ended up accomplishing very little in regards to work and basically screwed around on the web all day. Did some serious stalking on here haha, and posted waaay too much. But, still got in a decent workout tonight.

Speed walk 2 miles

Warmup (3 times)
Flat bench warmup (135) x 12
Cable EZ bar curl (45) x 10

Set 1 (4 times)
Flat bench (135) + 30lb chains each side x 10
Cable Ez bar curl (65lbs) x 10

Set 2 (4 times)
High to low cable fly (55lb each side) 4 count push, squeeze at maximum contraction for a 4 count, return to starting position at 4 count, hold at starting position for 4 count. x 10

(I don’t superset these because they’re miserable enough as is, and I’m a pansy)

Set 3 (4 times)
Incline smith press (135ish lbs) x 15
Cable ez bar drag curl (55lbs) x 10
(Left shoulder is acting up so I kept incline work light and no hard squeezes)

Set 4 (4 times)
Hex press with 50lb dumbbells x 10

Set 5 (4 times)
Incline cable fly (45 each side) x 10
Really gassed out here. Dropped to 25lbs per side x 12 reps to finish.

Good lord, the chest pump was real! I’m not sure I’ve had this good of a chest pump ever. Wasn’t much skin to pinch, super tight. Absolutely loving this dienogen 🤘. My left shoulder was being a real twat though, so I’ll train around it for a week or so. Maybe add some BPC if it’s still annoying in a couple days.
 
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Oh, and I don’t have a regular bar; I have a 55lb power bar. So you’ll see some odd numbers here and there.

Edit: while I do have a power bar, it does NOT weigh 55lbs. It’s the standard 45. Pardon my idiocy.
 
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Had a good day. I bumped the dienogen up to 100mg and bumped Var to 50mg. Blood pressure is still doing fine; today’s average was 127/78.

Felt strong all day and excited/nervous for my workout. When it came time to train, it was absolutely stupid. It felt like the weights were half of what they are in reality. I had to constantly remind myself that strength isn’t the primary goal here and really had to hold back from adding a bunch of weight to everything. I see how people can blow up on this stuff; it’s crazy. I was a good boy and kept the weights lowish, with a minimum of 10 reps per exercise. My left shoulder is still being dumb, which actually helped keep the weights reasonable for my goals. Today was back/tri day 1.

Speed walk 2 miles

Warmup (4 times)
Pronated single arm cable row (55lbs) x 12
Rope tricep push down, both arms (55lbs) x 12

Set 1 (4 times)
Barbell rows (135lbs) x 10
Single arm reverse tricep push down (30lbs) x 10

Set 2 (4 times)
Wide grip lat pull down (160lbs) x 12
Straight bar tricep push down (100lbs) x 12

Set 3 (4 times)
Neutral grip, single arm cable row (70lbs) x 12
Seated tricep extension (50lb dumbbell) x 15

Set 4 (5 times)
Low row cable attachment lat pull down (170lbs) x 12
Rope tricep push down (70lbs) x 10
(Force handles outward at maximum contraction, hold for 2)

Set 5 (4 times)
Pronated lat pull down, hands shoulder width apart (170lbs) x 12
Rope tricep push down (70lbs) x 10
(Forced handles toward self at maximum contraction, hold for 2)

Here’s a lame post-workout pic (I hate, hate taking pictures of myself. I extra hate posting them on the fucking internet. But, if the dien radically transforms my physique, then I’d be doing Apex a disservice by not showing my progress).
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Had a good day. I bumped the dienogen up to 100mg and bumped Var to 50mg. Blood pressure is still doing fine; today’s average was 127/78.

Felt strong all day and excited/nervous for my workout. When it came time to train, it was absolutely stupid. It felt like the weights were half of what they are in reality. I had to constantly remind myself that strength isn’t the primary goal here and really had to hold back from adding a bunch of weight to everything. I see how people can blow up on this stuff; it’s crazy. I was a good boy and kept the weights lowish, with a minimum of 10 reps per exercise. My left shoulder is still being dumb, which actually helped keep the weights reasonable for my goals. Today was back/tri day 1.

Speed walk 2 miles

Warmup (4 times)
Pronated single arm cable row (55lbs) x 12
Rope tricep push down, both arms (55lbs) x 12

Set 1 (4 times)
Barbell rows (145lbs) x 10
Single arm reverse tricep push down (30lbs) x 10

Set 2 (4 times)
Wide grip lat pull down (160lbs) x 12
Straight bar tricep push down (100lbs) x 12

Set 3 (4 times)
Neutral grip, single arm cable row (70lbs) x 12
Seated tricep extension (50lb dumbbell) x 15

Set 4 (5 times)
Low row cable attachment lat pull down (170lbs) x 12
Rope tricep push down (70lbs) x 10
(Force handles outward at maximum contraction, hold for 2)

Set 5 (4 times)
Pronated lat pull down, hands shoulder width apart (170lbs) x 12
Rope tricep push down (70lbs) x 10
(Forced handles toward self at maximum contraction, hold for 2)

Here’s a lame post-workout pic (I hate, hate taking pictures of myself. I extra hate posting them on the fucking internet. But, if the dien radically transforms my physique, then I’d be doing Apex a disservice by not showing my progress).
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Bro you’re already rockin 20” guns it seems!
 
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I'm very much with you in regards of the pictures 😄 But absolutely no shame in your pictures and I bet you'll be happy you took them in the later weeks of this cycle = )
 
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Is it a power bar or a squat bar?
Well, I got bamboozled! The sad part is I didn’t even notice. The bar I have is indeed a power bar but it does NOT weigh 55 pounds. It’s the standard 45 pounds. Now I have to edit some numbers above to reflect the correct sh!t. I’m a tool. Thanks for asking that though, I would have been falsely 10 pounds stronger in my home gym than in reality.
 
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Well, I got bamboozled! The sad part is I didn’t even notice. The bar I have is indeed a power bar but it does NOT weigh 55 pounds. It’s the standard 45 pounds. Now I have to edit some numbers above to reflect the correct sh!t. I’m a tool. Thanks for asking that though, I would have been falsely 10 pounds stronger in my home gym than in reality.
That’s why I asked. I don’t know a lot but I know about bars haha
 
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That’s why I asked. I don’t know a lot but I know about bars haha
I don’t know crap about bars haha. A gym I went to years ago had one bar that was heavier than normal. No one used it because most lunk heads aren’t stellar with math, myself included, so it just sat there. I was just getting comfortable with the numbers for a heavier bar 🙄. Oh well.
 
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Pretty long day today. My sleep has been a little off (expected) and I’ve been waking up pretty early, for me anyway. Getting to sleep is fine, and the first few hours are fine, but I kinda toss and turn after that or just get up. Also had a little sensitivity around my right nipple, but nothing crazy. I micro dosed some exem (6.25 mg) earlier today and that seems to have calmed it down. I do have a tiny amount of AAS induced gyno on the right side that gets pissed off sometimes, especially when I run higher amounts of test. So I don’t run high test anymore, I just don’t respond well to it and it hurts my boobies. But, for now, the right side feels normal again. No other sides yet so I’m very happy with that. Tonight was day two of legs and it kicked my ass. Hamstrings were still cranky from snow removal and leg day one.

Leg day 2
2 mile speed walk

Warmup (4 times)
Landmine squat (1plate) x 15
Empty hip thrust (3 second hold at the top) x 12
Side leg raise x 12
Plank (1 minute)

Set 1 (4 times)
Landmine squat (2 plates) x 12
Bicycle crunch x 20

Set 2 (4 times)
Cable kickback (30lbs) x 12
Oblique crunches x 15 per side
Standing calf raise, 2 second hold at the top (wide stance) (45lbs each hand) x 15

Set 3 (4 times)
Cable leg extension, single leg, hold at maximum contraction for 2 (30lbs) x 20
Standing calf raise, 2 second hold at the top (narrow stance) (45lbs each hand) x 15

Set 4 (2 times)
Cable leg curl, single leg (30lbs) x 15
Heel to toe farmers walk (45lbs each hand) x 20 steps w/ 2 second hold at the top
Legs were thrashed, probably from a little overuse this week. Bailed on this one after two.

Set 5 (2 times)
Donkey calf raise (90lbs) x 20
 
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Today would normally be shoulders but the left side is still pissy, so no direct shoulder work. Went with a super light chest day and really focused on keeping shoulders out of it. Seemed fine and the shoulder wasn’t further aggravated. I’ll start BPC injections tonight so hopefully that’ll help. Otherwise, feeling great and absolutely loving the dienogen!
 
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Hate shoulder issues, can damper progress in many upper body lifts.
 
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Hate shoulder issues, can damper progress in many upper body lifts.
Indeed. I usually get lucky with them though and a couple days off typically resolves the issue. This tweak seems very minor, so the goal is to keep it that way. Easier said than done especially when all the blast compounds are really kicking in. I’m at the fun part when typing messages with my phone elicits a pump lol. But, I’ll play it safe and take a couple days off.
 
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Indeed. I usually get lucky with them though and a couple days off typically resolves the issue. This tweak seems very minor, so the goal is to keep it that way. Easier said than done especially when all the blast compounds are really kicking in. I’m at the fun part when typing messages with my phone elicits a pump lol. But, I’ll play it safe and take a couple days off.
I have noticed ceasing dips has helped my shoulders. So if you do dips, think about dropping it. Barbell military press has also helped my shoulders as well, especially compared against DB shoulder press.
 
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I have noticed ceasing dips has helped my shoulders. So if you do dips, think about dropping it. Barbell military press has also helped my shoulders as well, especially compared against DB shoulder press.
I stopped doing dips a while ago, but will definitely try barbell military pressing when the shoulder is good to go. I usually use dumbbells for military, so it’ll be worth a shot. Appreciate the tip man.
 
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I stopped doing dips a while ago, but will definitely try barbell military pressing when the shoulder is good to go. I usually use dumbbells for military, so it’ll be worth a shot. Appreciate the tip man.
I would consistently attempt to do DB shoulder press, and it would aggravate my left shoulder primarily. Stopped doing front delt shoulder exercises. Decided I would begin again with BB military press, and does not aggravate the left shoulder like DBs did. I assume it's because using the BB makes it more "stable".
 
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I would consistently attempt to do DB shoulder press, and it would aggravate my left shoulder primarily. Stopped doing front delt shoulder exercises. Decided I would begin again with BB military press, and does not aggravate the left shoulder like DBs did. I assume it's because using the BB makes it more "stable".
You bring up a valid point; there isn’t any reason to throttle anterior deltoids (if the goal is aesthetics and some strength of course). Different goals, sure, maybe focus on them some. As long as you’re pressing they’re getting worked. Friggin bicep curls activate them a little. I don’t know, maybe I’m finally done trying to have crazy overhead press numbers. My shoulders just can’t handle it.
 
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You bring up a valid point; there isn’t any reason to throttle anterior deltoids (if the goal is aesthetics and some strength of course). Different goals, sure, maybe focus on them some. As long as you’re pressing they’re getting worked. Friggin bicep curls activate them a little. I don’t know, maybe I’m finally done trying to have crazy overhead press numbers. My shoulders just can’t handle it.
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Primary Goal Update

- I’m refraining from measurements for another week, but my core feels and looks tighter. Wife also agrees.

- Strength is about the same, although it hasn’t been in the forefront of my mind and I’ve been taking it easy due to a sore shoulder.

Additional Observations

- I feel fantastic, both physically and mentally! A little tired sometimes, but overall I have a powerful feeling. Hard to describe really, but I’m sure most people reading this know what I’m talking about. It’s been missing from my blasts for a while.

- Sides are very low and manageable at this point. Very little AI needed. Some sleep loss but this is also manageable.

- Libido is up some. Not like a teenager but there’s a noticeable increase in sex drive.

- Joints feel great (minus one shoulder). I take a few things for joint health and they work great for me. I wasn’t concerned about joint pain from the dien, but figured I’d mention it anyway.

Overall, awesome so far 🤘. I’m stoked that this is barely getting started.
 

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