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I just read you post about the alfa stano Brain... you should try this brand next time.. this stuff is clean.
 
Kind of a random question here, but what effects do most guys notice from using topical 11-KT products? It's good for fat loss for one thing, right?
 
SpicedCider said:
Kind of a random question here, but what effects do most guys notice from using topical 11-KT products? It's good for fat loss for one thing, right?
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Really what it does is to help preserve muscle mass while you're losing weight. As you diet, that stresses your body and makes you spit out cortisol. Cortisol makes your body break down muscle tissue for energy and store as much as fat as possible in order to adapt to an environment where food is scarce.

11-KT reduces your body's ability to produce cortisol and has some anabolic properties. This blocks your body's ability to break down muscle for energy. So, if you're in a calorie deficit/energy deficit and you can't make it up by breaking down muscle, your body has no place to go to make up that energy deficit other than fat cells.

The thing is, you have to do the dieting and exercise still. To say 11-KT "burns fat" is not really true. Just using it without restricting calories won't "burn fat."
 
I will add that for what ever reason the body seems to hold a lot of cortisol in the visceral fat around the stomach. using this allows your body to release that visceral fat unlike anything I have ever used, and its reproducible.. meaning you can do it over an over. the stuff just flat works. some supplements just cant hold the candle to this one for what it does.
 
nostrum420 said:
Really what it does is to help preserve muscle mass while you're losing weight. As you diet, that stresses your body and makes you spit out cortisol. Cortisol makes your body break down muscle tissue for energy and store as much as fat as possible in order to adapt to an environment where food is scarce.

11-KT reduces your body's ability to produce cortisol and has some anabolic properties. This blocks your body's ability to break down muscle for energy. So, if you're in a calorie deficit/energy deficit and you can't make it up by breaking down muscle, your body has no place to go to make up that energy deficit other than fat cells.

The thing is, you have to do the dieting and exercise still. To say 11-KT "burns fat" is not really true. Just using it without restricting calories won't "burn fat."
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xR1pp3Rx said:
I will add that for what ever reason the body seems to hold a lot of cortisol in the visceral fat around the stomach. using this allows your body to release that visceral fat unlike anything I have ever used, and its reproducible.. meaning you can do it over an over. the stuff just flat works. some supplements just cant hold the candle to this one for what it does.
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Thanks guys, solid info. So if someone does cardio (running) several days per week, would using 11-KT (with all other factors kept constant) prior to each run most likely result in a noticeable increase in fat loss over several weeks? Actually, now that I think about it, would it basically be a no-brainer to use this prior to cardio if someone prefers activities like distance running (7-8 miles per run) to avoid burning muscle?

Last question -- can it be used regularly or does it cause suppression?
 
it can cause suppression of cortisol! so it can and will disrupt homeostasis. I recommend cycles no longer that 8 weeks and even that is pretty long. 6 weeks may be the best. at any rate you cant just blast a tab before your jog. you will want to properly dose it everyday for the duration of the cycle. Its well known that running is muscles worst enemy so your on to something here. Its going to benefit you tremendously in this situation.
 
Sorry if a stupid question but do TD products increase chances of getting coronavirus ? If it would absorb through the skin. Or once its dry are you safe from this if even at risk in first place

Cheers
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
it can cause suppression of cortisol! so it can and will disrupt homeostasis. I recommend cycles no longer that 8 weeks and even that is pretty long. 6 weeks may be the best. at any rate you cant just blast a tab before your jog. you will want to properly dose it everyday for the duration of the cycle. Its well known that running is muscles worst enemy so your on to something here. Its going to benefit you tremendously in this situation.
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It sucks that running is supposed to be so bad for building and maintaining muscle. I just enjoy going outside, getting fresh air, and experiencing the feeling of having done some good cardio. The weightlifting on it's own just doesn't do it for me (or more specifically, it doesn't get rid of that "blah" feeling like running can)
 
@Jbrooks
actually I think its a great question dude.
here is my take on it.

there is no reason to think you would be opening the skin to infection from corona. it has to enter your mouth eyes or nose to infect you as per the CDC. that said.. the best plan is to shower before application and of course clean hands or gloves always. tbh I myself don't touch the product while its wet. I use the dropper to spread it around and let it soak in.
after its soaked in good and dried out a bit I will then rub the residual into the skin. Nos uses a emollient that will actually protect the product from rubbing off. this imo would work in the reverse too.. as it should keep things from absorbing through that very layer as well.
 
SpicedCider said:
It sucks that running is supposed to be so bad for building and maintaining muscle. I just enjoy going outside, getting fresh air, and experiencing the feeling of having done some good cardio. The weightlifting on it's own just doesn't do it for me (or more specifically, it doesn't get rid of that "blah" feeling like running can)
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you are not the only one. there is a lot more to being fit than just hoisting weights. my recommendation is to find that middle ground where its all effective and keeps you gaining what you desire the most.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
you are not the only one. there is a lot more to being fit than just hoisting weights. my recommendation is to find that middle ground where its all effective and keeps you gaining what you desire the most.
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This is a great article and I like what you said about finding a middle ground.
 
nostrum420 what would you say is your most anabolic product? Synergen im assuming? I know different things for different goals, but if growth was your main goal.
 
Pleonastic said:
nostrum420 what would you say is your most anabolic product? Synergen im assuming? I know different things for different goals, but if growth was your main goal.
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keeping it easy, I think I would point you to primagen. Synergen is great but dienolone is tricky. wereas the 1 andro is pretty sure fire. dienolone is a powerhouse at high doses but:
a. it has many possible sides the higher the dose..
b. the cost can add up quick.
C. its a nor-test which is highly anabolic, but can conflict with other estrogenic compounds.

it has an anabolic ratio of 100/10

1 andro has an anabolic ratio of 200/100 or 2:1

off the cuff one would assume that the 1andro is stronger yet when read as 2:1 its more clear that the dienolone "should be" more potent. and likely its far more potent at high doses.

1 anrdo how ever isnt very finicky. its easy to use. doesnt take a ton of product to produce substantial results..
and lastly i want all the synergen for myself.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
keeping it easy, I think I would point you to primagen. Synergen is great but dienolone is tricky. wereas the 1 andro is pretty sure fire. dienolone is a powerhouse at high doses but:
a. it has many possible sides the higher the dose..
b. the cost can add up quick.
C. its a nor-test which is highly anabolic, but can conflict with other estrogenic compounds.

it has an anabolic ratio of 100/10

1 andro has an anabolic ratio of 200/100 or 2:1

off the cuff one would assume that the 1andro is stronger yet when read as 2:1 its more clear that the dienolone "should be" more potent. and likely its far more potent at high doses.

1 anrdo how ever isnt very finicky. its easy to use. doesnt take a ton of product to produce substantial results..
and lastly i want all the synergen for myself.
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Ive used 1 andro before oral tabs and dont think it did much. Im a big fan of dienelone injectable so i may have to take some of that TD from you.
 
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