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Anyone ever use Hyaluronan Injections?

Dr Liftalot

Dr Liftalot

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For those who don't know it is viscosupplementation, its a super lubercating substance.

Anyone have any experience, I've heard people get shots every 6 months?:think:
 
Liftalot, is your avatar a snapshot from that GIF of the dog jumping out of the window? LMFAO!
 
I got them into my knee, but it was a waste of my time and money. Plus, its a huge risk for your joints every time you inject something into them. If the joint gets infected, it gets stiff. Irreversible. Not worth the trouble...

But I can tell you what helped:
celadrin (great for lubrication, and inflammation)
cissus
both together got me the feeling that my joints are "feeling easy" again, together with:
curcumin I got rid of the inflammation
and the usual suspects, to help build up joint cartilage again, once the inflammation is gone (or at least to stop the breakdown (for which stopping inflammation is also important)):
glucosamin, chondroitin, msm

Msm basically helped me to decrease the time my joints were inflamed, when I also used voltaren, and I had to use less of it, but that was at the start when I just got this nice condition. Glucosamine, chondroitin helped to ease the pain over time, but there was still inflammation so they never could reach their full potential. I then added curcumin (longvida curcumin), and the inflammation was much better... But still after a leg day, I had trouble getting up the stairs, after 24 hours everything was more or less OK again, which was a big step... But still, not what I was aiming for.

Only when I added celadrin and cissus to the mix I felt like I was 99,9% ok. Now I feel only a bit of pain when doing leg extensions, but the pain is gone as fast as it came, meaning at the time I got home I felt nothing when getting up the stairs.
Oh yea, and I added acetylcysteine, to help with any inflammation problems caused by oxidative stress... but I did that for other reasons too.

Experiment with those supps, stack em, find out what you need and what not and you won't need any injections and be as good as new.
 
Dumpenady said:
I got them into my knee, but it was a waste of my time and money. Plus, its a huge risk for your joints every time you inject something into them. If the joint gets infected, it gets stiff. Irreversible. Not worth the trouble...

But I can tell you what helped:
celadrin (great for lubrication, and inflammation)
cissus
both together got me the feeling that my joints are "feeling easy" again, together with:
curcumin I got rid of the inflammation
and the usual suspects, to help build up joint cartilage again, once the inflammation is gone (or at least to stop the breakdown (for which stopping inflammation is also important)):
glucosamin, chondroitin, msm

Msm basically helped me to decrease the time my joints were inflamed, when I also used voltaren, and I had to use less of it, but that was at the start when I just got this nice condition. Glucosamine, chondroitin helped to ease the pain over time, but there was still inflammation so they never could reach their full potential. I then added curcumin (longvida curcumin), and the inflammation was much better... But still after a leg day, I had trouble getting up the stairs, after 24 hours everything was more or less OK again, which was a big step... But still, not what I was aiming for.

Only when I added celadrin and cissus to the mix I felt like I was 99,9% ok. Now I feel only a bit of pain when doing leg extensions, but the pain is gone as fast as it came, meaning at the time I got home I felt nothing when getting up the stairs.
Oh yea, and I added acetylcysteine, to help with any inflammation problems caused by oxidative stress... but I did that for other reasons too.

Experiment with those supps, stack em, find out what you need and what not and you won't need any injections and be as good as new.
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. I have experimented with all of those supps but never all stacked. I will try all of them together to see what I can get out of them. I will avoid injecting anything into my ankles at all costs :)
 
Most people, me included, were not aware of the fact that inflammation can be targeted from a lot of different angles, so once I found out and stacked stuff that complements one another I really started seeing progress. So you really should see improvement, and maybe even regeneration to some point...

However I think I realized that the cartilage in the joints that is lose or uneven will not return to a perfect shape being flat (because it seems like the body can not really get rid of the damaged cartilage) so what happens if you are able to regenerate your cartilage is that it stays the same but gets thicker. Thats not a problem though, might sound and feel a bit strange in certain movements but with the inflammation gone, lubrication up, and regeneration going on, the joints should be pain free and have normal range of motion.

It may be that the mechanical stress on joints with cartilage damage is increased because of the uneven cartilage, I am not sure about that(who is?), so the question is if the joints in question should be trained hardcore again or just trained as much as necessary. For example, I got cartilage damage on my knee patella, so squats are ok, leg press not so much, and leg extension still causes me a minimum of pain(but it disappears as fast as it came, thanks to my supplements). But why risk further damage on the knee if squads are all I need... you know what I mean? There might still be more damage occuring during training because of the uneven cartilage, and the antiinflammatories might mask it. And if that is the case, then this would eventually train away the remaining cartilage, resulting in bigger problems down the way. Provided that the regeneration is slower then the damage through training.

So... I would not go all hardcore on cartilage damaged joints if you can avoid it, just the necessary stuff and enough regeneration time afterwards.
 
Dumpenady said:
Most people, me included, were not aware of the fact that inflammation can be targeted from a lot of different angles, so once I found out and stacked stuff that complements one another I really started seeing progress. So you really should see improvement, and maybe even regeneration to some point...

However I think I realized that the cartilage in the joints that is lose or uneven will not return to a perfect shape being flat (because it seems like the body can not really get rid of the damaged cartilage) so what happens if you are able to regenerate your cartilage is that it stays the same but gets thicker. Thats not a problem though, might sound and feel a bit strange in certain movements but with the inflammation gone, lubrication up, and regeneration going on, the joints should be pain free and have normal range of motion.

It may be that the mechanical stress on joints with cartilage damage is increased because of the uneven cartilage, I am not sure about that(who is?), so the question is if the joints in question should be trained hardcore again or just trained as much as necessary. For example, I got cartilage damage on my knee patella, so squats are ok, leg press not so much, and leg extension still causes me a minimum of pain(but it disappears as fast as it came, thanks to my supplements). But why risk further damage on the knee if squads are all I need... you know what I mean? There might still be more damage occuring during training because of the uneven cartilage, and the antiinflammatories might mask it. And if that is the case, then this would eventually train away the remaining cartilage, resulting in bigger problems down the way. Provided that the regeneration is slower then the damage through training.

So... I would not go all hardcore on cartilage damaged joints if you can avoid it, just the necessary stuff and enough regeneration time afterwards.
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I like your thoughts on this. But sadly, I dance for a living and will not be able to stay away from training my ankles "hardcore". I have a few months here coming up where I can rest them, but they need to be in normal order by july.
 
Dumpenady said:
I got them into my knee, but it was a waste of my time and money. Plus, its a huge risk for your joints every time you inject something into them. If the joint gets infected, it gets stiff. Irreversible. Not worth the trouble...

But I can tell you what helped:
celadrin (great for lubrication, and inflammation)
cissus
both together got me the feeling that my joints are "feeling easy" again, together with:
curcumin I got rid of the inflammation
and the usual suspects, to help build up joint cartilage again, once the inflammation is gone (or at least to stop the breakdown (for which stopping inflammation is also important)):
glucosamin, chondroitin, msm

Msm basically helped me to decrease the time my joints were inflamed, when I also used voltaren, and I had to use less of it, but that was at the start when I just got this nice condition. Glucosamine, chondroitin helped to ease the pain over time, but there was still inflammation so they never could reach their full potential. I then added curcumin (longvida curcumin), and the inflammation was much better... But still after a leg day, I had trouble getting up the stairs, after 24 hours everything was more or less OK again, which was a big step... But still, not what I was aiming for.

Only when I added celadrin and cissus to the mix I felt like I was 99,9% ok. Now I feel only a bit of pain when doing leg extensions, but the pain is gone as fast as it came, meaning at the time I got home I felt nothing when getting up the stairs.
Oh yea, and I added acetylcysteine, to help with any inflammation problems caused by oxidative stress... but I did that for other reasons too.

Experiment with those supps, stack em, find out what you need and what not and you won't need any injections and be as good as new.
Click to expand...

Dumpenady said:
Most people, me included, were not aware of the fact that inflammation can be targeted from a lot of different angles, so once I found out and stacked stuff that complements one another I really started seeing progress. So you really should see improvement, and maybe even regeneration to some point...

However I think I realized that the cartilage in the joints that is lose or uneven will not return to a perfect shape being flat (because it seems like the body can not really get rid of the damaged cartilage) so what happens if you are able to regenerate your cartilage is that it stays the same but gets thicker. Thats not a problem though, might sound and feel a bit strange in certain movements but with the inflammation gone, lubrication up, and regeneration going on, the joints should be pain free and have normal range of motion.

It may be that the mechanical stress on joints with cartilage damage is increased because of the uneven cartilage, I am not sure about that(who is?), so the question is if the joints in question should be trained hardcore again or just trained as much as necessary. For example, I got cartilage damage on my knee patella, so squats are ok, leg press not so much, and leg extension still causes me a minimum of pain(but it disappears as fast as it came, thanks to my supplements). But why risk further damage on the knee if squads are all I need... you know what I mean? There might still be more damage occuring during training because of the uneven cartilage, and the antiinflammatories might mask it. And if that is the case, then this would eventually train away the remaining cartilage, resulting in bigger problems down the way. Provided that the regeneration is slower then the damage through training.

So... I would not go all hardcore on cartilage damaged joints if you can avoid it, just the necessary stuff and enough regeneration time afterwards.
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good info
 
I was referring more to training with heavy weights and exercises that directly put pressure on the problematic area. Would be pointless to use all these supps and then not even being able to to light weight exercises such as cardio, and I assume dancing might be similar (depening on what exactly, more stressing, but I would guess still way less stressing then with heavy weights directly on your problem area). Actually Cardio / dancing will be of benefit for your joints once the inflammation is gone and all nutrients your joints for regeneration need are in place, because this will speed up metabolism of the cartilage big time.

I can only only say that before my supp combo when I did cardio, I felt the inflammation afterwards, now its gone. So I would say chances are good for you.

As a guideline, what made me 99%(good enough for me) whole again:
curcumin (longvida 500mx 2x/day, can go up to 2000mg/day but quite expensive, I would add it if the other stuff does not get inflammation under control after a while, or use a lower quality product)
celadrin 500mg 2x/day (can go up to 3x/day)
cissus 800mg 3x/day (but a 2 week loading phase with twice the dosage)
glucosamine 1500mg (maximum dosage)
chondroitin just what was in my glucosamine supp, I would guess 200mg or so, but optimum would be 1200mg/day
acetylcysteine 500mg/3x/day together with 500mg vit c and 500mg sodium bicarbonate (taking it bulk, to remove the acidity, tastes better too)
o3's about 600mg/day, but that is way too low to have an effect on joints I think, if you want to try it for your joints you have to get higher, it might actually work really well together with celadrine
MSM... a lot of it actually, but that was due to other supplements that made me need more sulfur, so I guess 1-2g might be enough, keep in might that your digestive tract has to adapt first, otherwise you'll maybe get the runs so start low.
vitamin D 10000iu from monday to friday, weekend off.
I think thats it. the most expensive is longvida curcumin, and high doses of o3's, maybe cissus, the rest is fairly cheap.

As a side effect you will have a great prevention of cancer and cardiovascular disease, etc... ;) It's all healthy stuff that affects your whole body in a good way so you invest not only in your joints, but in your overall health. Was a no-brainer for me.
 
Heartily second Dumpenady's recommendation. I've found that Cissus/Celadrin is a winning combo as well. Curcumin and Devil's Claw are also great additions to knock down inflammation. To repair stubborn damage, I look to r3-IGF-1.
 
bioman said:
Heartily second Dumpenady's recommendation. I've found that Cissus/Celadrin is a winning combo as well. Curcumin and Devil's Claw are also great additions to knock down inflammation. To repair stubborn damage, I look to r3-IGF-1.
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I never tried devil's claw but I heard good things about it... keep us updated on ho r3-IGF-1 works out for you!
 
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