Any hunters out there?
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lukehayd
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No lie, I killed a deer by jumping on its back and held on to an ear with my left hand as it was bucking. Pulled out my pocket knife with my right hand and cut it's throat. It caught me under the ribs with it's stub of an antler a couple times. It was fun but very brutal.
No not anyone can kill an animal with a gun. I've seen way too many hunters that can't hit the target. Very sad. I took the buck above at 400 yards and a doe the year before at 1000+/- yards with one shot. It is an art/ skill that most don't possess no matter how much they practice! When the goal is to fill the freezer with meat, I'll take the gun over the bow pretty much everytime.
lukehayd
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I never had it scored! Had a lot of guys tell me I was nuts because I don't care about scoring it. I didn't even get it mounted.
Hey, 8 is great! Congrats on the harvest! Post the pic bro! Be proud that you were successful!
Yeah out in Western Kansas there are a lot of mule deer.
nonidentity
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I agree with jasen, guns are for pussies. You may not hit the deer but the deer has NO chance to fight back when you're hiding up in a tree..
lukehayd
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Ummm o..k...? Deer have waaaaaaaaay better hearing, smell and eye sight than humans. THIS is how they fight back, they avoid you or they RUN.
But hey, if want to give it a shot, come on out to Kansas during the rut. I'll douse you with doe estrus, put you out in the field and you can fight off all the horny bucks to keep them from raping you. Lol!
But hey, if want to give it a shot, come on out to Kansas during the rut. I'll douse you with doe estrus, put you out in the field and you can fight off all the horny bucks to keep them from raping you. Lol!
lukehayd
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Sooooo because I use equipment to make me more successful means that I'm not a true hunter? This might be kicking the hornet's nest but what the hey! So by the same logic, a power lifter that lifts raw is more of a lifter than one that uses all the new equipment that makes it possible to lift heavier weight? Sorry I had to say it! LOL!!!
I totally appreciate your view. I do agree that there are some practices that I personally do not agree with. For the most part, I don't consider those that use some of those practices less of a hunter than me. Some I do! I'm not too keen on the "guided" hunts where the animals are keep in a high fence area and fed like cattle. To me, that is not hunting, it is just killing and paying high amounts to do it. Two years ago, I laid in 18" of snow while the wind blew 25 mph in -9 degree weather all to possibly get a shot at a deer. One finally came up out of a ravine to offer a shot. I waited till it got to where it was past the edge and took the shot. What I didn't see was the ice that it was on and it slid back down into the ravine. So not only did I have to go the 420 yards to where the edge of the ravine was, I also had to drag a big doe up a 65 degree ravine 30' deep and then the 3/4 mile back to the truck. I don't think I am less of a hunter because I use a rifle.
I totally appreciate your view. I do agree that there are some practices that I personally do not agree with. For the most part, I don't consider those that use some of those practices less of a hunter than me. Some I do! I'm not too keen on the "guided" hunts where the animals are keep in a high fence area and fed like cattle. To me, that is not hunting, it is just killing and paying high amounts to do it. Two years ago, I laid in 18" of snow while the wind blew 25 mph in -9 degree weather all to possibly get a shot at a deer. One finally came up out of a ravine to offer a shot. I waited till it got to where it was past the edge and took the shot. What I didn't see was the ice that it was on and it slid back down into the ravine. So not only did I have to go the 420 yards to where the edge of the ravine was, I also had to drag a big doe up a 65 degree ravine 30' deep and then the 3/4 mile back to the truck. I don't think I am less of a hunter because I use a rifle.
southpaw23
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I'm with Jasen. Respectfully, I don't see hunting as being classified as a "sport". To me a sport is comprised of competition, shooting something defenseless isn't very competitive to me. Now if you want to be competitive, then run up to a grizzly bear with a knife, now if you drop the knife, the tables have now turned....competition.
lukehayd
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I'm with Jasen. Respectfully, I don't see hunting as being classified as a "sport". To me a sport is comprised of competition, shooting something defenseless isn't very competitive to me. Now if you want to be competitive, then run up to a grizzly bear with a knife, now if you drop the knife, the tables have now turned....competition.
This made me LMAO!! Must be a magical knife if it's gonna even the odds between me and a grizzly! For one the griz has 8-10 inches of fur, then a thick layer of fat. Then it has another 6-8" to get to the vitals. Me, I have all of about 3-4" before my vitals- the bears claws are that long! The griz weighs around 750 lbs average I think - me 170. The bear can run up to 30 mph -me maybe 10-15 tops. Yeah, I would really have an advantage against a grizzly bear if I had a knife.
southpaw23
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What are the odds of hiding in a tree waiting for the big bad dangerous...um Deer? To me if the end goal is to kill something, then you should be hunting something that offers the same possibility of taking your life, level playing field...competition.
Bigjoe214
Member
I personally hunt for food first, sport second. This is generally the philosophy of the majority of people that hunt. Most hunters have to have this argument basically on a yearly basis, I know I do. The fact is, it's something that's is legal, I enjoy doing it, and it feeds my family. I'll never have to justify any of those reasons to anyone in my opinion.
southpaw23
Well-known member
I get that part of the argument, i.e. feeding your family. What I don't get is how some classify it as a sport. Jumping on the back of a deer and slicing it's throat with a knife is on the same level as going to a Clay Aiken concert...just saying. There is a video on youtube of these two douches shooting grizzly bears for "sport"/fun, well one grizzly decided to charge one of the shooters, and before he could get a shot off, his gun jammed. Take a guess how that video turned out? It brought a huge smile to my face. In the animal kingdom they call that checkmate.
JajaNe20
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While I don't agree with people killing things just to kill them, I definitely think your statement is absurd. You smiled that a human being died from a grizzly? Like i said, it's not right what they were doing, but at the sametime i wouldn't smile that the man died. Just plain stupid. Two wrongs don't make a right aye? For all of you that say hunting this or that blah blah blah kill stuff with your hands BS. I laugh! Why do you think we are still alive in this world? Because while a lot of predators are faster, stronger, have bigger teeth and are better equipped for killing; we have the ultimate machine, which is the BRAIN. This is why we are alive because we are smarter and innovated weapons to feed and protect. If we all would have to kill things by hand then their would be no human race, heck even the Neanderthals used spears and threw them at a distance. This debate is dumb lol but I like to laugh. nuff said
southpaw23
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southpaw23
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That's what she said.
nonidentity
Member
I just realized how fukced up this is. you want to hunt but not eat the meat? you are wanting to take another sentient being's only life and not give it enough respect to eat it?
I don't know if hunting's wrong, but if you kill something for fun "sport" and don't eat it you are below scum. I think eating the animal shows respect for the animal on some level.
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And about hunting without a gun, what's the name of the tribe that hunts by chasing the deer until it collapses from exhaustion? Humans have better endurance than most animals "by far" so while you may not be able to out sprint a deer if you get some people to chase it around that would be more fair I think. If you weren't so sheltered you would probably have senses fairly similar to a deer's. A lot of tribal people can feel the earths magnetic lines, and follow them like a compass. Australian aborigines could sense Australia before they went there, they didn't just hop on a boat and hope for the best. Humans have some amazing senses, but they've been dulled by living in agricultural societies for so long.
JajaNe20
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Changes in that would result in evolution like you say take tens of thousands of years, last time i checked i don't think we lived like we live today thousands of years ago. It was a nice thought, but highly unlikely. I think curiousity drives humans not some superior 6th sense. LOL
southpaw23
Well-known member
I agree with you. Hurting or worse killing animals for fun/sport, should make it open season on your own head.
nonidentity
Member
The thing about the aborigines sensing the land is more speculative. but the chinese, aborigines, native americans etc. being able to sense magnetism is more documented. Aborigines can still wander through the desert while hunting with no landmarks and find their way back by following these lines.
nonidentity
Member
okay, but that Hawaiian guy said he wanted to hunt for sport, and that he didn't want to hunt boar because your supposed to eat them.
I'm glad you eat the animals that you kill.
lukehayd
Legend
I hunt for food. If I am able to harvest a nice big buck-great! If not, I don't care as long as there is meat in the freezer. I also give a lot of meat away to help out others that are struggling to make ends meet. Yes, most years I harvest more than my family needs but it all gets eaten by someone.
As far as the deer I killed with my pocket knife. I didn't have any other way to kill it and it had both back legs busted. In my youthful exuberance I thought I was doing the right thing to put it out of it's misery. It turned out to be more violent than I had thought but still less than what the coyotes would have done. If that makes me a douchebag then so be it.
Oh and the Clay Aiken comment....Lol! Lets go back to grade school here---"Oh yeah! Well you're a....a....a..you're a doo-doo head!"
As far as the deer I killed with my pocket knife. I didn't have any other way to kill it and it had both back legs busted. In my youthful exuberance I thought I was doing the right thing to put it out of it's misery. It turned out to be more violent than I had thought but still less than what the coyotes would have done. If that makes me a douchebag then so be it.
Oh and the Clay Aiken comment....Lol! Lets go back to grade school here---"Oh yeah! Well you're a....a....a..you're a doo-doo head!"
southpaw23
Well-known member
Okay fine, maybe I took it a little too far with the Clay Aiken analogy, I apologize. I think it would have been more fair if I said Adam Lambert.
Clickster
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Do some research on what would happen if nobody ever hunted animals. What would take place is far more cruel to the animals than anything hunters do to them.
I agree with the above that eating the meat shows a level of respect for the animal.
I always love arguing with anti-hunting people who argue with me while chowing down a Big Mac or a Double Down from KFC. Do some research on how those animals are treated before they are cooked.
I love hunting. Everything about it is awesome. Being outdoors; Awesome Meat; and yes... Thrill & Sport.
--I also am very aware there are a lot of idiot "hunters."
I agree with the above that eating the meat shows a level of respect for the animal.
I always love arguing with anti-hunting people who argue with me while chowing down a Big Mac or a Double Down from KFC. Do some research on how those animals are treated before they are cooked.
I love hunting. Everything about it is awesome. Being outdoors; Awesome Meat; and yes... Thrill & Sport.
--I also am very aware there are a lot of idiot "hunters."
AthleticXtreme
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One of my best friends and squad mates in the Marines does something pretty cool. He is a thrill hunter. I've never really agreed (after being deployed in the Marines) with just killing for fun and leaving the body. Kill it and eat it. Well he does not love to eat the same meat over and over and he hunts a lot. So instead of wasting it, he worked out a deal with homeless shelters. He brings them down a big bore or elk, etc and they feed everyone with it.
That is F'n Awesome. He kills some pretty crazy stuff. He works for Blackwater half of the year in Iraq as a "security contractor", and basically hunts the rest of his time off. Lot's of homeless feed'n.
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That is F'n Awesome. He kills some pretty crazy stuff. He works for Blackwater half of the year in Iraq as a "security contractor", and basically hunts the rest of his time off. Lot's of homeless feed'n.
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southpaw23
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If it goes towards feeding those in need, I'm all for it. If it's simply to showcase a trophy above a headboard or for fun/sport, then my only hope is that the gun jams and I get to watch a fun youtube video.
AthleticXtreme
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lol - link me
mattrag
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Perhaps my wording was bad.. I just meant that we dont have those "contests", or whatever, I don't believe in killing the animal and then NOT eating it. My boar comment was basically my complaint of not having any other options of animals to hunt. Sorry to have offended you.