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Unanswered Anxious for this cycle to Begin...

Dangerous maybe only because of scarring.

Tren makes your heart, lungs, and liver grow, and it kills your kidneys.

DHB just hurts a lot.
 
My left cheek alone has probably 2 pounds of water in it from the swelling. Pin it on Monday and doesn't even feel like it is going down. Pinned my quad yesterday with a ml and I can deal with that pip.
 
Never should have gotten involved with this thread.

What would you compare this to? Hours and hours of tattooing?
Nothing has worked? Cutting it with TRT dose? Cutting it with sterile GSO?
 
Matthersby said:
Never should have gotten involved with this thread.

What would you compare this to? Hours and hours of tattooing?
Nothing has worked? Cutting it with TRT dose? Cutting it with sterile GSO?
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I will let you know how the new schedule works. Will pin 4 days a week...the volume is too much in one location. Did 1.3 ml combo of test e and dhb and I van deal with the pip in my quad. Also was doable in my delt.
 
The problem is sitting or putting pressure on the welt...it makes it move and for some odd reason makes it worse. Prime example...was taking a dump yesterday while reading and sat longer than usual...when I got up the pain was worse than when I sat down plus it moved to my hip and lower back.
 
Matthersby said:
Never should have gotten involved with this thread.

What would you compare this to? Hours and hours of tattooing?
Nothing has worked? Cutting it with TRT dose? Cutting it with sterile GSO?
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The only thing that seems to work for this brew is what @Cgkone is doing.

Personally I’m waiting for my hips to heal up a little more and I’ll be doing a ml of this dhb every day for the rest of the cycle. So far only had to skip two pins. Will likely be able to start again next pin day. Maybe.

The old stuff, and probably other brews of it, the pip sets in right away.

This stuff, you might not even get the pip if you don’t hit that spot again for long enough. Which is good... but... I can’t avoid it apparently.
 
Old Witch said:
The only thing that seems to work for this brew is what @Cgkone is doing.

Personally I’m waiting for my hips to heal up a little more and I’ll be doing a ml of this dhb every day for the rest of the cycle. So far only had to skip two pins. Will likely be able to start again next pin day. Maybe.

The old stuff, and probably other brews of it, the pip sets in right away.

This stuff, you might not even get the pip if you don’t hit that spot again for long enough. Which is good... but... I can’t avoid it apparently.
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What’s he doing???
 
Old Witch said:
The only thing that seems to work for this brew is what @Cgkone is doing.

Personally I’m waiting for my hips to heal up a little more and I’ll be doing a ml of this dhb every day for the rest of the cycle. So far only had to skip two pins. Will likely be able to start again next pin day. Maybe.

The old stuff, and probably other brews of it, the pip sets in right away.

This stuff, you might not even get the pip if you don’t hit that spot again for long enough. Which is good... but... I can’t avoid it apparently.
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What’s he doing???
 
It’s not the pain so much as it is the giant knots that move around and it makes all the muscles in the area tight.
 
Codybenz said:
It’s not the pain so much as it is the giant knots that move around and it makes all the muscles in the area tight.
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Well yes. That’s still colloquially called “pip” even though it’s not actually “post injection pain” it’s not really painful unless you sit on your keys with a big knot in your ass or something, or if you really rub your swollen hip up against something...,

Or if the welt moves to the base of your spine and inflames your sciatic nerve....
 
Old Witch said:
Well yes. That’s still colloquially called “pip” even though it’s not actually “post injection pain” it’s not really painful unless you sit on your keys with a big knot in your ass or something, or if you really rub your swollen hip up against something...,

Or if the welt moves to the base of your spine and inflames your sciatic nerve....
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Heavily considering pinning daily with test and something else with only 0.6ml DHB per pin.
 
The bright side is that I got like six shots in before any of them swelled up.

The shitty part is those last four all ended up pretty goddamn swollen. About as swollen as an infection. Just not nearly as painful. Infections really really really really hurt a lot compared to even the worst pip I’ve ever had.
 
Need some incite fellas. Had blood work done on the 14th which would put me at about week 3. 300 mg test and 400 of dhb plus 40mg of tbol. Why are my liver values so freaking high? Taking my usual liver support. 500mg tudca, 2000mg nac plus a host of my routine supplements. Tumeric, citrus bergamot, etc. Any feedback would be appreciated. Invalid Link Removed
 
khall1974 said:
Need some incite fellas. Had blood work done on the 14th which would put me at about week 3. 300 mg test and 400 of dhb plus 40mg of tbol. Why are my liver values so freaking high? Taking my usual liver support. 500mg tudca, 2000mg nac plus a host of my routine supplements. Tumeric, citrus bergamot, etc. Any feedback would be appreciated. Invalid Link Removed
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I’d drop both the Tbol and DHB. Maybe google guicanol and other carriers possibly used with DHB and liver strain. No harm done, you’d have bad side effects if you were in trouble here. It’s just time to up the Tudca and ditch anything that’s putting stress on your liver.
I don’t let mine get to double over top limits so I’m suggesting you call it a day.

But I’m pretty sure I have a bionic liver though.
 
Matthersby said:
I’d drop both the Tbol and DHB. Maybe google guicanol and other carriers possibly used with DHB and liver strain. No harm done, you’d have bad side effects if you were in trouble here. It’s just time to up the Tudca and ditch anything that’s putting stress on your liver.
I don’t let mine get to double over top limits so I’m suggesting you call it a day.

But I’m pretty sure I have a bionic liver though.
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Was thinking of dropping the dhb as well. I ran tbol last cycle without a hitch but was thinking on dropping as well. Up the tudca and run bloods in another 2 weeks to see improvements.
 
Matthersby said:
I’d drop both the Tbol and DHB. Maybe google guicanol and other carriers possibly used with DHB and liver strain. No harm done, you’d have bad side effects if you were in trouble here. It’s just time to up the Tudca and ditch anything that’s putting stress on your liver.
I don’t let mine get to double over top limits so I’m suggesting you call it a day.

But I’m pretty sure I have a bionic liver though.
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Was thinking of dropping the dhb as well. I ran tbol last cycle without a hitch but was thinking on dropping as well. Up the tudca and run bloods in another 2 weeks to see improvements.
 
khall1974 said:
Was thinking of dropping the dhb as well. I ran tbol last cycle without a hitch but was thinking on dropping as well. Up the tudca and run bloods in another 2 weeks to see improvements.
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Tbol alone didn’t do that in my honest opinion unless you had elevated enzymes prior to starting. Feels like something else is involved. Mine haven’t got that high from SD/M1T etc. not that its that severe, it’s just quite elevated. Keep us posted.
 
So you made 22 days on the DHB? So was all the pain and pip worth it? Oh you ignored me when I gave you the right advice. Good Run!!
 
khall1974 said:
Here are my liver values a week prior to starting this cycle and at the 6 week mark of my last cycle. I really think it is the dhb or the carrier. My values shot up at that 6 week mark cause I was finishing the tbol last cycle. The only new variable is the dhb.Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
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That’s where I’m leaning too. Tbol doesn’t even put me out of range really nor does Dbol. High end of normal or a point or two out
 
Matthersby said:
That’s where I’m leaning too. Tbol doesn’t even put me out of range really nor does Dbol. High end of normal or a point or two out
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With your experience...can injectables really fubar your liver values to that xtreme. I am just glad I jumped on the blood work. Was feeling run down thinking high E but that isnt the case. Sucks but after spending father's day with my kids my health is key.
 
khall1974 said:
With your experience...can injectables really fubar your liver values to that xtreme. I am just glad I jumped on the blood work. Was feeling run down thinking high E but that isnt the case. Sucks but after spending father's day with my kids my health is key.
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You seem to be more on top of labs than I even am. I’m decent with them and pretty much did them when I cycled all through my 30s but many times didn’t if I felt fine. Always post cycle and always 4x a year on blast/cruise/TRT.
But to answer your question: not even a little bit.
I can run 300 test and 150 Trest Ace for 6 months and they will be low side of normal.
Injectable cycles have never once put me out of range. Ever.
So I feel like that DHB carrier is hepatoxic or something we aren’t seeing is doing it.
Any sarms or shady RC ancillary drug’s in use?
 
Matthersby said:
You seem to be more on top of labs than I even am. I’m decent with them and pretty much did them when I cycled all through my 30s but many times didn’t if I felt fine. Always post cycle and always 4x a year on blast/cruise/TRT.
But to answer your question: not even a little bit.
I can run 300 test and 150 Trest Ace for 6 months and they will be low side of normal.
Injectable cycles have never once put me out of range. Ever.
So I feel like that DHB carrier is hepatoxic or something we aren’t seeing is doing it.
Any sarms or shady RC ancillary drug’s in use?
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No sarm or research chems. My adex is from PRE but I used from them last year. So I am seriously thinking it is the dhb or carrier. My workouts have been a blast but I sneak a nap in during the day which is unlike me. Gonna drop th3 dhb and retest in 2 weeks or so. Getting bloods are so cheap and easy why not.
 
And I did read that there are reports of lethargy and increased liver weight with dhb. Can’t find anything on the carrier oil though
 
I figured I am reacting to the dhb, carrier oil or both. Gonna just drop it and be done with it. Values never been that high.
 
Of course I start going back to week 1 thru 3 and how I have been feeling. Towards the end of the first week is when I felt like I was getting sick and have been having stomach issues. Bowel movements even changed. So I honestly can say it started after week 1. That is sooo crazy to me.
 
Matthersby said:
I’d drop both the Tbol and DHB. Maybe google guicanol and other carriers possibly used with DHB and liver strain. No harm done, you’d have bad side effects if you were in trouble here. It’s just time to up the Tudca and ditch anything that’s putting stress on your liver.
I don’t let mine get to double over top limits so I’m suggesting you call it a day.

But I’m pretty sure I have a bionic liver though.
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Tudca wont help while your on cycle you need to use it after you stop the compounds
 
Old Witch said:
Dangerous maybe only because of scarring.

Tren makes your heart, lungs, and liver grow, and it kills your kidneys.

DHB just hurts a lot.
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Do you know the recipe your guy is using back in the day i used to brew 100mg/ml that was painless.
khall1974 said:
What do you suggest to get my levels back down. Can quac cause a raise in liver enzymes?
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I take NAC 2000mg ed
Can also take milk thistle 1000mg
 
khall1974 said:
What do you suggest to get my levels back down. Can quac cause a raise in liver enzymes?
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Grab a NAC milk thistle combo.
NAC is used in the ER for hepatoxicity amongst other things. And of course the Tudca and lots of water.

I know it’s unpopular around here with how big on harm-reduction everyone is, but I never use liver support because that’s the liver’s job. I keep a little NAC on hand to run after the toxin is not being ingested and I drink hella water and let the liver do it’s thing.
Tudca or no Tudca, Tbol didn’t put you quadruple out of range though. But, even if you took nothing at all, your liver enzymes will be straight in 30 days I’d bet. Check em again though in a few weeks as planned though.
 
mixedup said:
Do you know the recipe your guy is using back in the day i used to brew 100mg/ml that was painless.
I take NAC 2000mg ed
Can also take milk thistle 1000mg
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Taking 2000mg nac...need to pickup some milk thistle.

My guys uses quac...100mg per ml. PIP was a motha but I think my body really reacted to it.
 
khall1974 said:
Taking 2000mg nac...need to pickup some milk thistle.

My guys uses quac...100mg per ml. PIP was a motha but I think my body really reacted to it.
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Yea that guac can hurt. Make sure milk is standardized so you get proper dosing. I get mine for cheap from GNC it is there own brand
 
khall1974 said:
Taking 2000mg nac...need to pickup some milk thistle.

My guys uses quac...100mg per ml. PIP was a motha but I think my body really reacted to it.
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I’m about ready to find somewhere to unload the 60ml’s I bought from him.
After I read your guys’ horrible painful welts log, I immediately started reconsidering.
 
The trick is how often and how much you inject.

But yeah this brew is like 20% Guaiacol, 20% BB, 2% BA in miglyol

Not necessarily what I’d use considering DHB is 100% insoluble in B.B. but it seems to work if you use it right.

Unfortunately I haven’t figured it out yet.
 
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Matthersby said:
I’m about ready to find somewhere to unload the 60ml’s I bought from him.
After I read your guys’ horrible painful welts log, I immediately started reconsidering.
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I have like 120ml left still.

I’m still going to use it, just need to take more care.
 
Gonna finish out the rest of my cycle with a combination of hexadrone and proviron. Droppped my test dose down to 300...was tempted to ramp it up since I dropped the dhb but thought otherwise. The sides are not worth it.
 
Figured since it is methylated I should be ok. Just disappointed that I had to give up the dhb. Trying to get the most out of this cycle.
 
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