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Anti-Estrogen and HCG?

JoeBrooklyn

JoeBrooklyn

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Should one take an AI while on HCG? I have been taking an AI for about three or four days every other week. Any advice?
 
Lots of info on hcg in TRT threads. It increases e2 substantially and would probably need an AI to control it. Some guys have labs showing increases of 3 times over normal.

Really, I firmly believe that hcg should never be used or if it needs to, for a very short time and sparingly.
 
kisaj said:
Lots of info on hcg in TRT threads. It increases e2 substantially and would probably need an AI to control it. Some guys have labs showing increases of 3 times over normal.

Really, I firmly believe that hcg should never be used or if it needs to, for a very short time and sparingly.
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Well, I have been on about 3ccs per week (1 cc every three days) for 6 weeks and I have been hornier than when I'm on AAS with no AI. I'm getting my bloods done on the 23rd but I dont feel emotional which is usually the symptom of high estrogen and my erections have been good up until I started doing Aromasin and Proviron. I'm thinking I over did it with AI?
 
bigbb123 said:
GET AN ANTI E!!!!!!! I cant stress this enough. Hcg spikes e big time. Get armidex and take .5 mg eod. Thank me later.
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ok, thnak you. But I have been on 1mg of Armison for 4 days on and three days off and Proviron at 50mg per day for 2 weeks and I'm feeling not at horny as I use to, so I stopped.
 
bigbb123 said:
No anti e will result in bloat and gyno guaranteed, not to mention recovery will be harder with all that estrogen floating around.
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So far after 6 weeks no gyno or bloat. But after 4 weeks I did start Arimasin at 1mg per day 4 days on 3 days off and then started Proviron at 50mg per day. Did I over do it with AI?
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
So far after 6 weeks no gyno or bloat. But after 4 weeks I did start Arimasin at 1mg per day 4 days on 3 days off and then started Proviron at 50mg per day. Did I over do it with AI?
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Yea thats a weird dose of aromasin, usually its higher than that. Your dosing protocol is off to, the key is to keep blood levels of hormones stble. You want an ed or eod protocol. And you can bump that proviron up to 75 or a 100 your not likely to get much effect at 50 mg. i strongly suggest you get arimidex. Its a better compound and easier to dose imo. Just my 2 cents
 
bigbb123 said:
Yea thats a weird dose of aromasin, usually its higher than that. Your dosing protocol is off to, the key is to keep blood levels of hormones stble. You want an ed or eod protocol. And you can bump that proviron up to 75 or a 100 your not likely to get much effect at 50 mg. i strongly suggest you get arimidex. Its a better compound and easier to dose imo. Just my 2 cents
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It was a whole pill, I have to check the dosage.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
Well, I have been on about 3ccs per week (1 cc every three days) for 6 weeks and I have been hornier than when I'm on AAS with no AI. I'm getting my bloods done on the 23rd but I dont feel emotional which is usually the symptom of high estrogen and my erections have been good up until I started doing Aromasin and Proviron. I'm thinking I over did it with AI?
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What concentration have you mixed your hcg at? Im assuming you got 5000 iu amps?
I did 250 iu eod along with .5 adex and i kept hanging balls pretty much throughout cycle and into pct. Be careful with hcg tho, its funky compound. Too much you **** up your nuts, lydig cell desensitization they call it, to little and the steroids will cause them to atrophy.
 
bigbb123 said:
What concentration have you mixed your hcg at? Im assuming you got 5000 iu amps?
I did 250 iu eod along with .5 adex and i kept hanging balls pretty much throughout cycle and into pct. Be careful with hcg tho, its funky compound. Too much you **** up your nuts, lydig cell desensitization they call it, to little and the steroids will cause them to atrophy.
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The bottle says 10,000 USP, I dont know what that means but the doctor told me to mix it with 10ccs of Bac water. I do 1cc every three days. I'm not on any steroids right now, just was on Proviron for about two weeks.
 
Pertaining to your original question, id say 10 mg aromasin eod should be just about right. Remember, even though proviron is essentially dht, it does have some intrinsic anti estrogenic properties. So with that dosage you should be good boss.
 
bigbb123 said:
So im confused why are you taking hcg if not on gear? Are you in pct?
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No, a while ago I was on gear. I am new to this so I was ignorant about AIs and didnt use any while I was on 4ccs of test and 2ccs of Deca per week. After 5 weeks I got dead dick. I got my bloods and my estrogen was 229! I got some Letro to crush it but also went to a doctor that was recommended to me and when he saw my test levels at above 1600, he thought that was ridiculous. He gave me a lecture from which I told him I didnt need one and that I'm 43 and i dont want to just deteriorate as I get older. He said he agreed but large amounts of test was not the way. So he recommended HCG.
My gains have been slow but my libido has been good, unlike gear. About two weeks ago I started doing some Aromasin 10mg a day for 4 days on and 4 days off and 50mg of Provirion and I feel that my libido has gone down a bit. I'm afraid the combo of Proviron and Aromasin brought my estrogen levels too low and thus my libido is suffering a bit.
 
bigbb123 said:
Pertaining to your original question, id say 10 mg aromasin eod should be just about right. Remember, even though proviron is essentially dht, it does have some intrinsic anti estrogenic properties. So with that dosage you should be good boss.
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I have stopped taking both about 5 days ago. I went to the doctor for a follow up 2 days ago and going to have bloods on the 23rd.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
I have stopped taking both about 5 days ago. I went to the doctor for a follow up 2 days ago and going to have bloods on the 23rd.
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Smart choice. You seem to know what your doing but can i give you some advice.

1. Hcg is great for libido, you are right on, i feel it kicking in faster and stronger than straight test.
2. What killed your dick was not the test, it was a combination of the deca, if you look at the chemistry its a truly horrific/stupid/supressive compound. Smart move dumping that junk. That along with the increase in estro resulting from such a high dose test is probably what caused all the problems.
3. If i were your age, i imagine you dont give to ****s abouy hair judging from your avatar and your probably not thinking about having kids, though i could be wrong, id get back on some test.
4. A combination of test e at 500 mg a week, 250 iu hcg eod along with that snazzy proviron you got and the aromasin is a gauranteed porn star combo. The effects will be very pronounced at your age. With test its not about the quantity, its the balance of the other hormones, thats the key.

5. Of course im no doc, trust yours over my advice any day, but thats howd id run it. Remember, you cant run that hcg forever without starting to run into some problems eventually.

Good luck brother
 
Hell, I wouldn't be pushing 500mg of test when you are having difficulty getting things back to a baseline. I imagine your system is all ****ed up and confused right now. I would step back, stop taking so much crap, and let things settle down. If you are on TRT, get back to your standard dosing and if you aren't talk to your doc about getting into a protocol to get back to normal. Stop chasing things and get healthy and normal again. Then if you want to bump up test to gain size, you at least know what you are working from.

My .02
 
bigbb123 said:
Smart choice. You seem to know what your doing but can i give you some advice.

1. Hcg is great for libido, you are right on, i feel it kicking in faster and stronger than straight test.
2. What killed your dick was not the test, it was a combination of the deca, if you look at the chemistry its a truly horrific/stupid/supressive compound. Smart move dumping that junk. That along with the increase in estro resulting from such a high dose test is probably what caused all the problems.
3. If i were your age, i imagine you dont give to ****s abouy hair judging from your avatar and your probably not thinking about having kids, though i could be wrong, id get back on some test.
4. A combination of test e at 500 mg a week, 250 iu hcg eod along with that snazzy proviron you got and the aromasin is a gauranteed porn star combo. The effects will be very pronounced at your age. With test its not about the quantity, its the balance of the other hormones, thats the key.

5. Of course im no doc, trust yours over my advice any day, but thats howd id run it. Remember, you cant run that hcg forever without starting to run into some problems eventually.

Good luck brother
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Thank you and I'm Italian so I do give s**t about my hair, LOL!! and yes I want children one day. I'm divorced and we never had kids because she was in school.
When you say 250ius, 250ius a day or a week? I'm taking 1cc (1000 ius) every three days.
 
kisaj said:
Hell, I wouldn't be pushing 500mg of test when you are having difficulty getting things back to a baseline. I imagine your system is all ****ed up and confused right now. I would step back, stop taking so much crap, and let things settle down. If you are on TRT, get back to your standard dosing and if you aren't talk to your doc about getting into a protocol to get back to normal. Stop chasing things and get healthy and normal again. Then if you want to bump up test to gain size, you at least know what you are working from.

My .02
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I have been off Test for 16 weeks now. I just started HCG as prescribed by my doctor about 6 weeks ago and Aromasin and Proviron 2 weeks ago. I stopped Aromasin and Proviron 5 days ago.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
Thank you and I'm Italian so I do give s**t about my hair, LOL!! and yes I want children one day. I'm divorced and we never had kids because she was in school.
When you say 250ius, 250ius a day or a week? I'm taking 1cc (1000 ius) every three days.
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If your trying to have kids, then def stay of test and stick with what your doc prescribed. The fact that he even gave you hcg and proviron means he knows wat hes doing. Stick with it, let your body recover and go from there. If your still continuing your hcg however, i still recommend you take your anti-e.
 
bigbb123 said:
If your trying to have kids, then def stay of test and stick with what your doc prescribed. The fact that he even gave you hcg and proviron means he knows wat hes doing. Stick with it, let your body recover and go from there. If your still continuing your hcg however, i still recommend you take your anti-e.
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He never prescribed the Proviron, i took it on my own.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
Thank you and I'm Italian so I do give s**t about my hair, LOL!! and yes I want children one day. I'm divorced and we never had kids because she was in school.
When you say 250ius, 250ius a day or a week? I'm taking 1cc (1000 ius) every three days.
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I meant 250 iu every other day, but this is on cycle only. Not a protocol id use for your purposes, i thought you were on cycle when i recomended that.
 
JoeBrooklyn said:
Yes, I believe that the Aromasin and Proviron combo is lowering my libido. I was fine before. How long until it's out of my system? I only took 50mg per day for 2 weeks.
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You took a very low dose of both, not sure what the clearance time is on them, but i know proviron is short. Should be out or clearing out by now.
 
kisaj said:
Over thinking the idea that you need to be horny all the time? That can cause it to happen.
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Well, I'm Italian and I have always had a very high libido; but as I have entered my late thrities things slowed down. I can still screw but not 5 times a day. 2 days ago I had sex three times and going for a 4th and my erection got soft. The next day I had sex once and yesterday not at all.
 
Yeah, those aren't real world problems man. You are basically asking why you are having a problem having sex 4 times a day.
 
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