Antaeus Labs Hydra Head 6 -- Ultimate Anticatabolic

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Giving AnabolicMinds an early look at the ingredient panel and writeup. Product will go on sale around the second week of June. Questions/comments much appreciated.



Hydra-Head Six.

Vitamin C-2-Phosphate - 1000mg per daily serving
Ursolic acid (cyclodextrin complexed) - 500mg/day
Oenothera odorata root extract - 300mg/day
Ligustrazine - 200mg/day
Magnolol - 200mg/day
2200mg total formula weight
(120 capsules per bottle.)


The Six Headed Hydra must be slain. Like the mythical beast of yore, catabolic pathways relentlessly attack gruelingly earned muscle mass from many angles, particularly in dieting, post-cycle situations, and muscle wasting conditions. From the ancient myth of the divine hero Heracles to the modern reality of supplement science, HH6 is a revolutionary, industry defining natural, non-androgenic anti-catabolic. This isn’t putting a Band-Aid on a gash, only to watch it regenerate its destruction anew -- HH6 cauterizes with fire. This is not your grandpa’s tired old creatine, glutamine, or BCAA product. This is a brand new way of attacking -- a level of innovation that already makes it a living legend.

The Six Heads – Six Pathways for Eliminating the Catabolic Threat

The First Head

The most tantalizing way to decrease catabolism and muscle loss is to directly increase anabolism. Vitamin C 2-phosphate (VC2P) does exactly that. You will see that name, again -- and for good reason. It’s badass. This is not the Vitamin C that was in the orange juice your mom made you for breakfast this morning. VC2P is a much more stable, long acting derivative of regular Vitamin C (1,2). More importantly, it is the only form of Vitamin C that can accmulate in muscle cells following oral supplementation (3). It has been shown to promote both skeletal muscle fiber hypertrophy and differentiation.(4)

Ursolic acid is a triterpenoid found in numerous plants. It has long been demonstrated in the data to have a myriad of beneficial effects, but it normally has poor bioavailability. HH6 complexes it in a cyclodextrin for superior solubility, thus partitioning, thus bioavailability. It potentiates amino acid (leucine) induced muscle differentiation (5). Further, it has been shown to increase muscle mass, fiber size (both slow and fast twitch), as well as exercise capacity and grip strength (6). Lastly, Ursolic Acid produced an increase in serum irisin levels and muscle strength (38) -- a fact which may underlie the recomposition effects that users of high-dose ursolic acid products have noted.

The Second Head
Dieting is stress. With a sustained decrease in calories, the body thinks it is starving. This sets off a cascade of metabolic events designed to reduce calorie hungry muscle mass in order to decrease energy expenditure.One of these mechanisms is through increasing cortisol/glucocorticoid activity. Prolonged, excess activation of the glucocorticoid axis is profoundly catabolic.

Our most trusted weapon, VC2P potently inhibits hydrocortisone induced cellular damage. (7, 8) Magnolol, a neolignan from magnolia, also blunts the glucocorticoid cascade via its GABA-A inhibitory activity.(9,10)


The Third Head
Catabolism is also made widely manifest through the runaway production of reactive oxygen species and inflammation. As with cortisol, it is a normal and necessary part of cellular processes, but like other people’s daughters on spring break, it is bad news when they run wild. VC2P is not only longer acting than Vitamin C, it is a more potent free radical scavenger (11). Magnolol attenuates inflammation and damage with its own antioxidant activity (12). Oenothera odorata is a perennial plant from South America. Oenothera odorata root extract suppresses expression of peroxide and superoxide dismutase, reducing muscle atrophy compared to control.(13)

The Fourth Head
Our next pathway is one that you might not typically tend to think of – blood flow. Dieting and weight loss cause vasoconstriction via alpha adrenergic receptor upregulation and increased activity signalling. This decreases the uptake of pro-anabolic nutrients to the muscle cell, as well as decreasing the clearance of catabolic byproducts of metabolism. Ligustrazine is a component of the widely popular Chinese herb, Chuanxiong, which has been found to possess vasorelaxant properties (14). It induces this vasodilation through an increase in nitric oxide and cGMP (15, 16, 17). This is the same mechanism as the boner pills, in case you were wondering. (And we know you were.)

Magnolol comes to the aid in this fight from the opposite direction. It inhibits vascular contractions through a number of alternate cellular signaling pathways like Akt, eNOS, TRB3, and PPAR-gamma.(18, 19)


The Fifth Head
Malificent nutrient partitioning is yet another way your body gets you, proving its hatred of the strong and beautiful. Basically, nutrients and calories go preferentially to the formation, growth, and maintenance of adipose tissue instead of muscle. Quite obviously, we want to remedy and reverse this – and we are. Increasing the use of adipose tissue as fuel spares muscle mass, and it increases glucose uptake in muscle vs. fat. This increases protein synthesis while also increasing lipolysis, in a virtuous circle.

VC2P positively impacts lipid metabolism by decreasing lipogenesis and increasing lipolysis (20). Magnolol stimulates glucose uptake in muscle cells by increasing GLUT4 at the cell surface (21). Further, it activates key protein synthetic elements of the insulin signaling pathway, including mTor and Akt, as well as lipid oxidation pathways like AMPK and PGC-1a. (21, 22)

Ursolic acid acts as an insulin mimetic, increasing GLUT4, glucose uptake, as well as glycogen content of muscle (23). Even better, it increases brown fat in skeletal muscle, thus increasing thermogenesis, fatty acid oxidation, and energy expenditure.(24)

Ligustrazine increases mitochondrial biogenesis, thus increasing fatty acid utilization. This not only increases fat burning (and may improve insulin related health issues), it spares glucose for use in muscle cells, to preserve energy and mass.(25)


The Sixth Head

Our final and most important tactic in our fight is to directly decrease catabolism itself. That is what this product is for, after all. When dieting, you have to work out less, or you are going to get crushed by overtraining and free radicals and inflammation looting and burning your muscle stores. This decrease in muscle fiber overload is essentially like a mini-version of being bed-ridden. The literature on denervation, hind-leg/tail suspension, immobility, and cold muscle tissue covers this aspect of metabolism, extensively.

Ligustrazine postpones muscle atrophy indenervated muscle by reducing the expression of a number of catabolic enzymes (26). It has likewise been found to do so in tail suspension (simulating weightlessness), with a reduction in atrophy.(27)

One of the most important mechanisms for muscle fiber damage and destruction is an imbalance of intracellular calcium ions. Ligustrazine protects against Ca2+ overload, protecting the muscle mitochondria and the cell (28, 29). This protection has been found to protect against protein degradation and muscle loss (31). Our trusted brother in arms, VCP2, releases ascorbate in the muscle cell to protect against this calcium ion excess (34). It also facilitates the action of IGF-1 on muscle cell formation in cold muscle tissue.(36)

Ursolic acid produces hundreds of small changes in mRNA of muscle cell to combat muscle atrophy and weakness (30). This is mediated by a protein called ATF4, which is increased with glucose deprivation in the muscle cell (37). Magnolol suppresses catabolic proteins (including myostatin) and induces protein synthetic agents IGF-1 and Akt, mitigating inflammation and atrophy (32). Oenothera odorata root extract reduced or fully inhibited several catabolic indicators in denervated muscle, supporting maintenance of muscle mass, strength, and volume.(33)

Flawless Victory
You have done the work, continue to reap the rewards. HH6 is an absolutely essential instrument in your battle to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.



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24)PLoS One. 2012;7(6):e39332. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0039332. Epub 2012 Jun 20. Ursolic acid increases skeletal muscle and brown fat and decreases diet-induced obesity, glucose intolerance and fatty liver disease. Kunkel SD(1), Elmore CJ, Bongers KS, Ebert SM, Fox DK, Dyle MC, Bullard SA, Adams CM.

25) PLoS One. 2014 Feb 5;9(2):e88243. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0088243. eCollection 2014. Tetramethylpyrazine ameliorates high glucose-induced endothelial dysfunction by increasing mitochondrial biogenesis. Xu Q(1), Xia P(1), Li X(2), Wang W(1), Liu Z(3), Gao X(1).

26) ZhongguoXiu Fu Chong Jian Wai KeZaZhi. 2012 May;26(5):597-600. [Effect of Ligustrazine on expressions of FoXO3a, MAFbx, and MuRF1 in denervated skeletal muscle atrophy rats]. Wang H(1), Liang B, Peng C, Wang P.

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28)ZhongguoZhong Yao ZaZhi. 2009 Nov;34(21):2808-12.[Studies on protection and mechanism of tetramethylpyrazine on myocardial injury of rats with DHF]. Zhang X(1), Liu W, Zhou J, Fan C.

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32)PLoS One. 2015 Nov 24;10(11):e0143594. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0143594.
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33)Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. 2015;2015:130513. doi: 10.1155/2015/130513. Epub 2015 Apr 7. Effect of Oenothera odorata Root Extract on Microgravity and Disuse-Induced Muscle Atrophy. Lee YH(1), Seo DH(2), Park JH(2), Kabayama K(3), Opitz J(4), Lee KH(5), Kim
HS(2), Kim TJ(1).

34) Br J Pharmacol. 2006 Jan;147(2):131-9. Ca2+-mediated ascorbate release from coronary artery endothelial cells. Davis KA(1), Samson SE, Best K, Mallhi KK, Szewczyk M, Wilson JX, Kwan CY, Grover AK.

35) ClinExpPharmacol Physiol. 2003 Oct;30(10):793-8. Effect of tetramethylpyrazine on potassium channels to lower calcium concentration in cultured aortic smooth muscle cells. Wong KL1, Chan P, Huang WC, Yang TL, Liu IM, Lai TY, Tsai CC, Cheng JT.

36)Exp Cell Res. 2011 Feb 1;317(3):356-66. doi: 10.1016/j.yexcr.2010.11.001. Epub 2010 Nov 9. IGF-I and vitamin C promote myogenic differentiation of mouse and human skeletal muscle cells at low temperatures. Shima A(1), Pham J, Blanco E, Barton ER, Sweeney HL, Matsuda R.

37) FEBS J. 2015 Sep;282(18):3647-58. doi: 10.1111/febs.13369. Epub 2015 Aug 1. ATF4 mediates necrosis induced by glucose deprivation and apoptosis induced by 2-deoxyglucose in the same cells. León-Annicchiarico CL(1), Ramírez-Peinado S(1), Domínguez-Villanueva D(1),
Gonsberg A(1), Lampidis TJ(2), Muñoz-Pinedo C(1).

38) Korean J Physiol Pharmacol. 2014 Oct;18(5):441-6. doi: 10.4196/kjpp.2014.18.5.441. Epub 2014 Oct 17. Ursolic Acid-induced elevation of serum irisin augments muscle strength during resistance training in men. Bang HS et al.
 
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Thanks. If you have any questions about the formula or writeup, please let me know as I'd be glad to tackle 'em here.
 
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Nice to see a profile that's not exactly like every thing else coming out
 
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Excited to give this stuff a go!
 
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Should be heading out to retailers and distributors tomorrow or on Monday. It's already capped, labeled, and ready to go.
 
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Interested in the feedback on this.
 

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Should be heading out to retailers and distributors tomorrow or on Monday. It's already capped, labeled, and ready to go.
What will be the price point? And will it be best utilized during a cut/recomp?
 
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What will be the price point? And will it be best utilized during a cut/recomp?
I think it should be around $55/bottle. This would be a product I would use for cutting or even PCT.
 
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So not good for recomp?
Recomp is probably one of the best ways to use the product. It's basically intended for recomp and dieting.

We have another anabolic in the works for bulking, but it's a few months out.
 
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So stoked for this product. Is it up on the website yet? Checked yesterday and didnt see it.
 
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So stoked for this product. Is it up on the website yet? Checked yesterday and didnt see it.
Much appreciated! It should be up on the site by this time tomorrow. Will be available via Lockout, Strong Supplements, Predator (UK), and quite a few others whose names are omitted for brevity's sake, over the coming days/weeks.
Thank you!
 

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Much appreciated! It should be up on the site by this time tomorrow. Will be available via Lockout, Strong Supplements, Predator (UK), and quite a few others whose names are omitted for brevity's sake, over the coming days/weeks.
Thank you!
Nice. Will there be a intra sale pricing?
 
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Still waiting on stores to get this in... What's the best time to take it? Preworkout? Morning?
 
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I purchased three from AL directly. Excited to give this a go!
 

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If you purchase directly from AL is it pre-order or do you ship it out next business day?
 
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If you purchase directly from AL is it pre-order or do you ship it out next business day?
It should ship within 24 hours. It's in stock right now -- if retailers don't have it, it's because their orders are still in transit -- so our own small website has first availability.
 

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It should ship within 24 hours. It's in stock right now -- if retailers don't have it, it's because their orders are still in transit -- so our own small website has first availability.
Awesome, already bought it from your site looks beyond promising.
 

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I am very curious on the efficacy of the UA in the formula. Did you guys do some standalone testing on the it with the cyclo?
 
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I am very curious on the efficacy of the UA in the formula. Did you guys do some standalone testing on the it with the cyclo?
I was thinking the same thing
 
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Might just purchase this direct. Nobody has it in stock to my knowledge besides the company website. Was hoping to stock up and use some July 4th codes.
 

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Honestly from their website direct is best, I got mine 3 days ago by now and I'm already noticing a difference in terms of how flat I am when I don't use it vs when I do
 

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Honestly from their website direct is best, I got mine 3 days ago by now and I'm already noticing a difference in terms of how flat I am when I don't use it vs when I do
You are seeing results after < 3 days?
 

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You are seeing results after < 3 days?
I wouldn't necessarily say "results" I would say in terms of, how depleted I look with and without carbs, there's a difference. Results in 3 days? Not really, I'm going into a deep cut though so we'll see how it shines.
 
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Finally caved and ordered direct. Also got some Thunderbolt which is an under rated product
 
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Thunderbolt is awesome as well. I Need to pick some up.
 

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Finally caved and ordered direct. Also got some Thunderbolt which is an under rated product
Easily one of the best pump products I've used just smells terrible and if a cap breaks then you get yellow chemical all over, other than that as a product it's amazing
 
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Smells like grated cheese. But it's my favorite natty pump product. Trest is best.
 
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My order comes in today. I wonder how this would compare to Prototype's UR tabs that were Sodium Ursolic Acetate
 
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Bottle says 2 caps twice daily. I'm going with 3 caps twice daily.
 

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"Magnolol, a neolignan from magnolia, also blunts the glucocorticoid cascade via its GABA-A inhibitory activity." What does this exactly mean?
Wouldn't something that inhibit GABA-A increase anixety if your prone to it?
 

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"Magnolol, a neolignan from magnolia, also blunts the glucocorticoid cascade via its GABA-A inhibitory activity." What does this exactly mean?
Wouldn't something that inhibit GABA-A increase anixety if your prone to it?
I'm anxiety prone FOR SURE. And I'm on this +Clen+ephedrine for my cut and not getting any anxiety.
 
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It should ship within 24 hours. It's in stock right now -- if retailers don't have it, it's because their orders are still in transit -- so our own small website has first availability.
Got mine direct but it takes almost 3 weeks now for retailers to get in stock after being in transit?!?
 

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