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Another H-drol log

laserbluess said:
getting up this early on a friday (yeah, i know its only 930) sucks after a 12 hour day at work yesterday.
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I fully understand those blues bro. Last night was gym night but I wiped after dinner and slept straight through the night.


Good luck great log, I'll keep my on it. Inspiring me to hit my h-drol this winter :)
 
thanks man, yeah the best advice i can give about it would be to run it at 100mg a day for AT LEAST the last 2 weeks. 75mg/day was nice, but i really feel like 100mg would have netted very few sides compared to the increases in strength and size
 
alrighty then, well i guess my second cycle will be without tren. anyone think max lmg is good alternative? i just cant seem to find any x-tren / 19 nor tren for less than 85 a bottle, and i cant justify paying 170 bucks for one supplement.
 
ah my fault, ill update ya then.

currently at 201 lbs body weight (yes, i know, i am not eating like i should but money got cut DRASTICALLY low thanks to a security deposit and first months rent on a new place)

my strength is still wayyy up though! i feel smaller though. kinda think my arms shrank a bit. but on chest day the other day i still put up 225 x 10 so im not that worried about the weight loss.

i must say though, my libido is quite high. my gf "surprised" me at 8 in the morning on my birthday (tuesday) and again at 2 in the afternoon (just before the gym). im so glad i have a preworkout drink cause i was ready to nap! lol
 
alrighty then, so im looking to my AM brothas to help me out with my next cycle for december.

here are the possibilities that im thinkin of

1) SD/M-LMG bridge (6 weeks total)

2) SD/EPI bridge (6 weeks total)

3) SD/ ?

i know i wanna do a SD bridge cause i want some big size and strength gains, but also wanna make them more keepable so i want to bridge it with something.

My goals are for all out mass and strength, i can worry about cutting later ( around may or so for summer)
 
This is my first post but I've been creepin on your log from the start man. Congrats on the gains throughout they've been impressive. As far as advice on your next cycle, IMO if it were me I'd do the sd/epi. Just my preference though...as I've never run a single cycle yet.
 
thanks buddy, yeah im still kinda iffy on what to run. im so indecisive, which is why im asking for advice. i have a long time to think about it cause i wont start til december. i keep going back and forth on whether i wanna go for all out bulk (the m-lmg) or please the girlfriend and get a bit bigger and way more lean (which is what i hear epi helps with). either way im sure ill love it!
 
a bit of an update. weight is staying put at 200lbs even. kinda sucks cause i have been trying my hardest to eat more but i think the h-drol increased my appetite or something.

my strength is down just a tad. i could only get 225 x 8 yesterday... maybe i just wasn't feeling it or something. but its also a mental thing when i come off of supplements. i dont feel "alpha male" anymore. and my shirts just dont fit as snug lulz.

anyone else care to chime in on what my next cycle should consist of?
 
Impressed by what you put on with the H-Drol. Question: Do you believe that the 7 lbs you lost was water weight, or have you thought maybe better PCT would help keep gains? Just curious if you thought about that cuz i am considering an H drol cycle.
 
i dont think it was water weight, maybe a pound or 2 was, but definately not 7. h-drol is supposed to be pretty dry gains cause it doesn't aromatize.

and yeah, a better pct would have helped im sure. right now im hitting the creatine hard to keep it above 200lbs. honestly i didn't know what else to include in my pct as far as OTC stuff goes. i figured a good preworkout and creatine would do well.

ya also gotta keep in mind i was eating like a horse when i was on h-drol. i have had to cut back a bit since having to shell out quite a few green backs for rent and such on a new house. sucks, but it is what it is. I also didn't expect to keep ALL my gains. luckily my strength is still on par.
 
I just realized that you did include Nolva in your PCT along with a couple OTC's. I guess you couldn't get much better without dishing out a lot more money like you said. And you were eating a ton....just goes to show if you eat a ton the weight will come. Well cool man...keep us posted as to how it all plays out during and after the PCT!
 
alrighty then, seems like i will be going with m-drol/ epi bridge for 6-7 weeks for my next cycle. after seeing chocolate milk's log i can't wait to start.
 
Hey laser, did you get any suppression to speak of from this cycle?

By the way, on my PCT EST test drive was giving me mad pumps and tingles and ****, I thank that stuff really works great, like hlaf to an hour after I took it was pumped. Pretty good for an otc, but i was taking clomid and nolva also lol.
 
i didnt feel suppressed while on it, but i can tell that my libido is back up above from being on cycle. i mean, i was still getting horny all the time on cycle, but now that im off and natty for a bit i feel like im alllllways wanting to hump something.

compared to m-drol, this cycle was a breeze. when i did an m-drol/ tren cycle back in january it was terrible. i had no desire to watch porn, which is amazing to me now cause i love watching porn! lulz
 
laserbluess said:
i didnt feel suppressed while on it, but i can tell that my libido is back up above from being on cycle. i mean, i was still getting horny all the time on cycle, but now that im off and natty for a bit i feel like im alllllways wanting to hump something.

compared to m-drol, this cycle was a breeze. when i did an m-drol/ tren cycle back in january it was terrible. i had no desire to watch porn, which is amazing to me now cause i love watching porn! lulz
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Lol yeap, Im finnally feeling normal, while on m-drol I gave myself an injury wich I thought was a hernia, still havent ruled it out but the pain is finnaly going away! I think it might have been a pull/strain/tear in my groin. I went up 50lbs on almost all my excercises while on m-drol, bad move.
Overall did you like the h-drol cycle better?
 
hmm, not sure if i liked it better or not. the plus side was the h-drol was super easy on my body. and i gained a good bit of weight on it and my lifts went up a bit. nothing crazy, about 20 lbs on bench if i remember correctly (its on the first page of this log). but that was over a 6 weeks stretch.

comparatively i went up about 14 lbs from m-drol/ tren and my bench skyrocketed by about 40 - 45 lbs in 4 weeks, but also shut me down HARRRDDDD. i wanted nothing to do with sex.

in all i guess i kinda liked the h-drol a bit better cause it was a nice slow progression and easy to come off of. but there is nothing like m-drol/ tren for feeling ferocious and huge.
 
hey man....i've got a quick question for you. when you were dosing 75mg a day, how did you split the pills? mine are little gel caps with powder inside. i kinda decided today to do one when i wake up, one before i workout and then one at night. is that a decent idea even though its not really an even spread during the day?
 
i think the half life of h-drol is about 15 hours if im not mistaken (someone please correct me if im wrong) so, i did one pill in the morning when i woke up. and then 2 more about 1.5 / 2 hours pre workout. that way it was nice and in my system by the time i started lifting.

hope that helps.

on a side note, i ordered my EPIVAR today and also ordered m-lmg. im cookin up a good last oral cycle since everything good seems to be getting banned lol.
 
YARRRRR ME MATEYS. THIS BE THE FINAL CYCLE

yeah, im in pirate mood cause i just got off work. anywho, here's how im thinking my last and final cycle will be. critiques and criticisms are always welcomed.

m-drol 20/20/20/
m-lmg 0/75/75/75/75/0/0/0
EPI 0/0/0/50/50/50/50

in a nut shell, 3 weeks of m-drol stacked with m-lmg and bridged into epi. might as well go out with a bang huh? lol. anywho, i have all of it here now i play the waiting game til about february i suppose. unless i find tren for cheap between now and then.
 
laserbluess said:
cmon.. no one has any comments?
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I do


that looks ****ing deadly

m-lmg is the **** if you respond well to it
It is def more powerful then any other non-methyls, and probably most methyls.

Personally, it felt exactly like I was on deca(I ran it at 150mg though)
 
you mean good deadly right????!! lol. i hope so. would you suggest upping the m-lmg to 100mg instead of 75? or just start at 75 and see how i react?
 
laserbluess said:
you mean good deadly right????!! lol. i hope so. would you suggest upping the m-lmg to 100mg instead of 75? or just start at 75 and see how i react?
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yeah lol.

Well, I've run over a dozen cycles by now so I really do need high doses of most aas to respond well. I think that 75mg is the norm, but 100mg will do absolutely no harm.It is a drug similar to norbetholone, and has an ethyl bond meaning little to no hepatoxicity. It is less toxic than x-tren, and shouldn't really affect your liver values at all. It's up to you man


edit: I would run the epi upfront, with the mdrol at the end. I would also run the m-drol for 4 weeks, and add on another week of lmg with it. JMO
 
hmm... i might extend the m-drol to a 4th week. but that would give me 8 weeks worth of methylated compounds. is that too much for the ole liver? and why run the epi up front? im not criticizing, im just curious as to why.

also, a 5th week of m-lmg wouldnt be too much? looks like another bottle will be ordered shortly.

or would you suggest it have an overlap period where i am taking the m-drol and epi on the same week so it is still a 7 week cycle? although im not opposed to 8 weeks of feeling like the top dog in the gym lol. the longer i can stay on the better!!! just not for my liver or lipids and such.
 
laserbluess said:
hmm... i might extend the m-drol to a 4th week. but that would give me 8 weeks worth of methylated compounds. is that too much for the ole liver? and why run the epi up front? im not criticizing, im just curious as to why.

also, a 5th week of m-lmg wouldnt be too much? looks like another bottle will be ordered shortly.

or would you suggest it have an overlap period where i am taking the m-drol and epi on the same week so it is still a 7 week cycle? although im not opposed to 8 weeks of feeling like the top dog in the gym lol. the longer i can stay on the better!!! just not for my liver or lipids and such.
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8 weeks of methyls will raise you liver enzymes, but nothing dangerous...personally, I have run much much harsher oral cycles.You'll be fine.

I'd run the SD at the end because you should always run the more powerful compounds at the backend of the cycle, as it gets harder and harder to gain.
 
touche' i did not know that. well in that case it will be 4 weeks of epi with m-lmg coming in during the second week and spanning into the m-drol bridge which will also be 4 weeks.

this is gonna be hella fun. i can't wait!! if only january weren't so far away. oh well, gotta let the ole body have its time off.
 
guess who found tren-x for less than 80 dollars a bottle!!!!! I DID!!! yeahhhhh. so, that will replace the m-lmg and i can save that for a rainy day.


19-nor here i come. i really cant wait for this cycle. its like im a child on christmas eve. except my christmas is months away.
 
laserbluess said:
guess who found tren-x for less than 80 dollars a bottle!!!!! I DID!!! yeahhhhh. so, that will replace the m-lmg and i can save that for a rainy day.


19-nor here i come. i really cant wait for this cycle. its like im a child on christmas eve. except my christmas is months away.
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PM'ed
 
alrighty then! so it's going to be a superdrol-tren-epi bridge/ stack.

Hey Hungry, i have always seen people on here run superdrol / the stronger supplement first and then bridge into a weaker one so that they can try to keep the gains better. if i were to run epi first then superdrol wouldnt that make gains a bit harder to retain? even with a good pct (with clomid and some other OTC stuff).
 
laserbluess said:
alrighty then! so it's going to be a superdrol-tren-epi bridge/ stack.

Hey Hungry, i have always seen people on here run superdrol / the stronger supplement first and then bridge into a weaker one so that they can try to keep the gains better. if i were to run epi first then superdrol wouldnt that make gains a bit harder to retain? even with a good pct (with clomid and some other OTC stuff).
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I have seen this done many times too....I just disagree with it. It really doesnt matter that much, it won't make a major difference to your gains. Up to you man.
 
oh ok, i wasn't sure if it was a night and day type difference. i have til january or so to decide what to do. more research will be done i suppose
 
alrighty then, all supplements are here. (not the PCT stuff yet). its all good, i have til january for that.

here's how its gonna go down.

m-drol 20/20/20/20/0/0
Tren 0/0/90/90/90/90/0/0
Epi 0/0/0/0/50/50/50/50

im pretty pumped. im looking for a nice bulk. shooting for 12 - 15 pound increase. or hoping to get past 210lbs on the scales. Also, shooting for at least 15% increase in all lifts. possibly increasing measurements by 1" everywhere?? i sure hope so, with the exception of my waist too much.
 
btw, a little update on my stats. as of now i am back to 196/197 body weight.

Quite disappointed in myself cause i have not been eating like i should. but i have also been working 40+ hours a week, and going to school full time. so, eating right, and working out 5 days a week still is hard.

the only upside is that i am stronger now than when i was at 196 before my cycle!! my arms have definitely gotten smaller though, as has my chest. but i look leaner and my abs are definitely more prominent.

anywho, im gonna try and get to 200 - 205lbs by christmas that way i will have a great base before the crazy ass cycle.
 
hungryH said:
yeah lol.

Well, I've run over a dozen cycles by now so I really do need high doses of most aas to respond well. I think that 75mg is the norm, but 100mg will do absolutely no harm.It is a drug similar to norbetholone, and has an ethyl bond meaning little to no hepatoxicity. It is less toxic than x-tren, and shouldn't really affect your liver values at all. It's up to you man


edit: I would run the epi upfront, with the mdrol at the end. I would also run the m-drol for 4 weeks, and add on another week of lmg with it. JMO
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lmao all this wonderfull advice from some1 with stats such as yours ???
IF you have run DOZENS of cycles and are currently sittn at your weight Something else other than your liver is messd up bro.
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SELFofGOD said:
lmao all this wonderfull advice from some1 with stats such as yours ???
IF you have run DOZENS of cycles and are currently sittn at your weight Something else other than your liver is messd up bro.
:ntome:
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he might not update his weight in his avatar thing. just sayin.
 
If your diet was good you really only need one ph not 3. This is just overkill and pretty wastefull. 12lbs is not hard to achieve with a good diet and hard work.

But about the other post , I deff stand firm . A DOZEN CYCLES ??? you gotta b fokn kiddn me lol.
My advice dont run 3. For a mere 12 pounds EAT LIFT REST and EAT some more. I know you will run a ph but running 3 your just waistn your money.
 
i dont think i am wasting my money. to gain a good KEEPABLE 12 pounds i know it'll take more than one ph. and a mere 12 pounds? 12 pounds is ton of weight for such a short period of time.

im shooting for 12 on the low side. i would love to get 15lbs. and yes, i have been doing this long enough to know to EAT, LIFT, REST, and eat some more.
 
so i ordered my clomid, but should i also get some nolva just in case? and... i have 15 pounds of protein powder from IDS, and fish oil. anything else i should be getting?
 
have you thought of running hcg while on cycle? I know that a lot of people don't, but it's not all that expensive and i really don' tlike the idea of my nuts shrinking to raisins.

but man that looks like an intense cycle. i'll definitely be following along when you get on that one.
 
ehh, hcg seems to be getting thrown around a lot like its no big deal. from what i have read you really only need it when you are pinning and going to be shut down for 10 weeks or more.

anyone else have any ideas on that? i mean, im not completely opposed to it. just seems extreme for an oral cycle.

and yeah dude, im hoping its a fun cycle. should be great mass / strength gains and get a bit leaner.
 
an update after a weekend from hell. so, friday night i worked til midnight, and when i got off work i wasn't feeling too great. figured it was from working all day. well saturday was the first UGA football game so i wasn't going to miss that. but i was feeling bad. i had no appetite and my throat hurt, as did my head (no i had no been drinking). so after the game i was still not hungry, but i was super tired.

sunday i woke up with a terrible headache and still not terribly hungry. by this point i had only eaten about 2 meals over the whole weekend. then the stomach cramps started, and the bathroom was my best friend.

i have no idea if i have a stomach bug or some kinda crazy virus or what, but im still not hungry much and my weight is plummeting and im still tired all the time. all i wanna do is sleep.

btw, my weight is 191. i have lost 16 pounds since july.... i feel like a shell of what i used to be just 2 months ago. but i also feel sickly. GAHHHHHHH im so mad that i cant workout cause i feel like ****.
 
been thinking about it a lot, im definitely gonna go with
3 weeks m-drol bridged into 4 weeks of epi with tren starting the second week.

i just think 4 weeks of superdrol might be too much. any input? then again i can always judge how im doing once i actually start and am at the end of week 3
 
So I got a question for u. Ur first cycle was Hdrol and now u plan on bridging and stacking Superdrol, tren, and Epi?
 
no, unfortunately i was dumb and my first cycle was finaflex 550 xd. i was dumb and just took it cause a friend told me about it. and finaflex 550 xd was superdrol and tren. this time i wanna do it the right way and have a complete PCT and support supps.

i got lucky when i took the finaflex cause i didnt have any major issues as far as gyno or anything go. also, the tren was only dosed at 50 mg, so it was fairly low.
 
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