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Andromass

rulk22 said:
Ah so many good ideas.. I do like the sound of un-meth phera though and Androbulk sounds good too.
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Unmethylated EPI sounds interesting too. I haven't really seen any Delta-2 (unmethylated Phera?) logs that were finished, as interesting as it sounds though.
 
ONtop888 said:
Unmethylated EPI sounds interesting too. I haven't really seen any Delta-2 (unmethylated Phera?) logs that were finished, as interesting as it sounds though.
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Delta-2 can be significantly stronger with a good delivery system:)
 
Straight from the mouth of the company:

The compound is the exact same structure as phera with a ketone at the 17th position this makes it a precursor to non-methyl phera. As you know 2-enes give a favorable q ratio. We never claimed it will be as strong as phera as it is non-methylated, but the active form should provide a similar A/A. We have stated it is a pheromone and that it is mild. They are dosed in 100mg caps, so for PA to claim three of our caps would be similar to 50mg of a methylated designer steroid is pretty impressive to me.
 
Okay now im liking the sound of a Delta-2 delivered via Liquavade gelcap method. I dont think Eric will get any sleep untill 2013 1st quarter...
 
Even something close to Phera non methyl will be great. what will be the price, and how much would I need to take for an effective dose, and how much would that cost per cycle?
 
HereToStudy said:
I haven't had too much lethargy, (lucky in this regard), but 1-T can cause it. I have monitored my bp close enough to allow myself to use caffeine, so that could be helping as well.
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Definitely the 1-Dhea,>1-AD,>1-Test will cause lethargy.
 
ryansm said:
Definitely the 1-Dhea,>1-AD,>1-Test will cause lethargy.
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I am getting lethargy on a higher dose of Androhard... it sucks but nothing a cup of coffee doesn't fix.
 
Lethargy is common with 1ad, so just prepare or expect it guys but conversion into 4ad should help alleviate this though.
 
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I'm guessing I'll probably have to wait out a bit on Andromass, hopefully price will drop after the original storm :(

194 is pretty steep for mah pockets, will look into some other non methylated stuff for the time being.
 
rulk22 said:
Lethargy is common with 1ad, so just prepare or expect it guys but conversion into 4ad should help alleviate this though.
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This makes no sense. You are either lethargic or not. It is not going to magically convert and you will feel energized. Grab a stim and that will solve the problem. Most highly anabolic compound give lethargy, it is just reality. Make sure to let people know from now on.
 
oufinny said:
This makes no sense. You are either lethargic or not. It is not going to magically convert and you will feel energized. Grab a stim and that will solve the problem. Most highly anabolic compound give lethargy, it is just reality. Make sure to let people know from now on.
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Nothing but a bunch of big tired monsters on andromass lol. Drink coffee, problem solved.
 
Per a recommendation I got from Dsade (and to toot my own horn a bit): eat multiple servings of fruit. Liver glycogen status has a heavy influence on overall feeling.
 
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Haha Awesome.

oufinny said:
This makes no sense. You are either lethargic or not. It is not going to magically convert and you will feel energized. Grab a stim and that will solve the problem. Most highly anabolic compound give lethargy, it is just reality. Make sure to let people know from now on.
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This is not true in everyone though. Lethargy didn't start in my cycle until Epi was added (and even now it is minimal). Mass alone provided me barely any lethargy.
 
HereToStudy said:
Haha Awesome.



This is not true in everyone though. Lethargy didn't start in my cycle until Epi was added (and even now it is minimal). Mass alone provided me barely any lethargy.
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Id agree, lethargy is not so black and white and it varies person to person. I could be wrong but would'nt test or 4ad help with energy and motivation, thus helping you along with lethargy issues?
 
HereToStudy said:
Haha Awesome.



This is not true in everyone though. Lethargy didn't start in my cycle until Epi was added (and even now it is minimal). Mass alone provided me barely any lethargy.
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Today is day 6 for me & the lethargy is killing me. I have had only 2 days where it was not bad. i am stim sensative, so I do not want to us caffeine.
 
darkwing said:
Today is day 7 for me & the lethargy is killing me. I have had only 2 days where it was not bad. i am stim sensative, so I do not want to us caffeine.
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1-t gave a lot of people lethargy so it is no wonder andromass is. Try training during a different time of day and see if that helps.
 
That's strange, I am either not noticing any lethargy or I am simply just not having it. I actually feel more energetic.
 
Definitely varies with the person, but I was always a coffee drinker, and get amped before each training session, So never noticed before.
Are you eating a lot of calories as well? That could contribute to the lethargy too. Your body always digesting food. Consider some digestive enzymes if so. It really helps.
 
Pineapple. It contains bromelain, which will help not only digestion, but is also an anti-inflammatory.
 
I use the digestive enzymes from vitamin shoppe. they stink but work well. I remember taking 1Tu back in the day and needing to take naps, but had no clue it was from the 1Tu.
 
I also use the Vitamin Shoppe Brand and have for years. OH I miss 1TU, and M1T, and 1AD, and all the others.
 
2 quick questions that have probably already been answered...

1. Is Mass as suppressive as injectable test would be? (Same agressive PCT required?)

2. Is there more conversion to estrogen with mass?

Sounds like the product is blowing people up so far. Cant wait to see retained gains
 
It's putting a lot of size on these guys... conversion to estrogen isn't much with 4-dhea. It's already low (especially in young males) with standard DHEA.

PCT for a 4 week cycle can be TRS+TCF-1, or for longer a SERM + any other products.

Jahcuree said:
2 quick questions that have probably already been answered...

1. Is Mass as suppressive as injectable test would be? (Same agressive PCT required?)

2. Is there more conversion to estrogen with mass?

Sounds like the product is blowing people up so far. Cant wait to see retained gains
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darkwing said:
Stil very lethargic. I have not tried any digestive enzymes yet. I did get some mesomorph (which does have caffeine), and I am doing 1/2 doses. it has not helped that I can tell.
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Have you tried adding in extra servings of fruit? It'll help with liver glycogen levels, which has a huge impact of overall feeling.
 
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