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Andromass

thebigt said:
i always thought the increase in test happens within the 1st few days of injecting, but required some time with increased test to see benefits in the gym. in other words 3 days after injecting test cyp your test level would be very high, but the body needs time to put it to work.
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The half-life of the enanthate ester via injection is ~5 days and is ~30% of the weight. In your case, you get 140mg of actual test per shot. While the levels will be elevated within the first 10 days or so (when you generally get an increase in libido and recovery), it takes take for them to stabilize and get to their peak levels for proper anabolism.
 
Rodja said:
The half-life of the enanthate ester via injection is ~5 days and is ~30% of the weight. In your case, you get 140mg of actual test per shot. While the levels will be elevated within the first 10 days or so (when you generally get an increase in libido and recovery), it takes take for them to stabilize and get to their peak levels for proper anabolism.
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you are making my point. raising test won't give immediate strength increase, it takes time to work.
 
thebigt said:
you are making my point. raising test won't give immediate strength increase, it takes time to work.
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However, the half-life of this would be closer to a test suspension since the ester is not for depot use and is used for oral use (think more of Andriol than Depot Test). We're talking hours instead of days.
 
Rodja said:
However, the half-life of this would be closer to a test suspension since the ester is not for depot use and is used for oral use (think more of Andriol than Depot Test). We're talking hours instead of days.
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i see what you are saying, but a 1 month cycle of something that is reportedly test like in effect seems awfully short, imo.


very interested in seeing users results.
 
thebigt said:
i see what you are saying, but a 1 month cycle of something that is reportedly test like in effect seems awfully short, imo.


very interested in seeing users results.
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I agree that a longer cycle would be better for both strength and LBM. Muscle maturity takes time and mass that is slowly added is much easier to maintain.
 
Rodja said:
I agree that a longer cycle would be better for both strength and LBM. Muscle maturity takes time and mass that is slowly added is much easier to maintain.
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absolutely, i am very curious what the 1 month results will be from andromass. one thing to consider, i think results will carry over into pct-i guess we will have to wait and see.


nice discussion-thanks, rodja!!!
 
Yeah one of the ways to think about it (although not completely accurate) is that taking AndroMass for 4 weeks should give similar effects to taking a test-ester for four weeks past the initial ester period (when test is considered at full effect).
 
thebigt said:
absolutely, i am very curious what the 1 month results will be from andromass. one thing to consider, i think results will carry over into pct-i guess we will have to wait and see.


nice discussion-thanks, rodja!!!
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Im looking for the 1 Test benefits in that 4 week window as well, although ill be running it for 6 weeks.
 
HereToStudy said:
Yeah one of the ways to think about it (although not completely accurate) is that taking AndroMass for 4 weeks should give similar effects to taking a test-ester for four weeks past the initial ester period (when test is considered at full effect).
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That is well put and clears the ambiguity up. Again, based on that statement 8 weeks would be ideal, maybe even 12 but that is a long, suppressive cycle to take on but could be worth it results wise.
 
HereToStudy said:
Yeah one of the ways to think about it (although not completely accurate) is that taking AndroMass for 4 weeks should give similar effects to taking a test-ester for four weeks past the initial ester period (when test is considered at full effect).
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i noticed this from day one, you stealing my notes??

all the stuff of guys saying 12wks and so on cause they arent toxic, is ridiculous, and crazy expensive

8wks is similar to 11-12wks , and anyone who has done test, knows itll plateau before then as well
 
sking6464 said:
i noticed this from day one, you stealing my notes??

all the stuff of guys saying 12wks and so on cause they arent toxic, is ridiculous, and crazy expensive

8wks is similar to 11-12wks , and anyone who has done test, knows itll plateau before then as well
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You make a point but test needs more than 4 weeks to be effective even once it is going. Heck, even Test Prop is ran 10-12 weeks for a reason, it takes a few weeks to really get going amounting to 8 weeks at full steam ahead. I am excited to see this, there could be great gains from just four weeks, who knows?
 
oufinny said:
You make a point but test needs more than 4 weeks to be effective even once it is going. Heck, even Test Prop is ran 10-12 weeks for a reason, it takes a few weeks to really get going amounting to 8 weeks at full steam ahead. I am excited to see this, there could be great gains from just four weeks, who knows?
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agree 100%, i was just generalizing it
 
It is similar to the oral ehters or TD apps in the past. 4weeks is plenty of time for them to work and work well. However I found that 8-10 week cycles were best back then.
 
oufinny said:
You make a point but test needs more than 4 weeks to be effective even once it is going. Heck, even Test Prop is ran 10-12 weeks for a reason, it takes a few weeks to really get going amounting to 8 weeks at full steam ahead. I am excited to see this, there could be great gains from just four weeks, who knows?
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I think thats where the 1-test comes in, for the extra anabolic kick.
 
I am so eager to see what AndroMass can do - not to mention running it for a 6weeker :D

//CC
 
rulk22 said:
Im goin to drop some unwanted mass with Androlean and then put back some quality mass on with Andromass and Androhard.
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why not run the hard/mass on a caloric deficit.....for 10wks, imo itd work better than going down and then up
 
sking6464 said:
why not run the hard/mass on a caloric deficit.....for 10wks, imo itd work better than going down and then up
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This is a better plan. Either use it to add some mass or preserve what you have on a cut. Diet will be the deciding factor more than anything.
 
oufinny said:
This is a better plan. Either use it to add some mass or preserve what you have on a cut. Diet will be the deciding factor more than anything.
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i just think up and down diet wise doesnt work,and he'll be back at square one in the end

cycling is the same too, cut-bulk-cut bulk doesnt work, guys freak and cut in their pct even

3-4months of consistency either way is what id do rulk

isnt their an article on the pp site about cutting on cycle and bulking off?
 
ryansm said:
Yes, it appears I need to stick my foot in my mouth. AM has been delayed and we are looking at 4/1 now as a shipping date. I apologize for this guys. :footinmouth:
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Man you going to get some hateraid headed your way for this... Not your fault though, blame the manufacturer.
 
Ya I know, we are coming along just taking a little longer with the manufacturing of AndroMass. Until then we have logs of AndroHard and AndroLean to follow...
 
ryansm said:
Only reason is it is taking a little longer to Manufacture AndroMass, we are only a few days behind.
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Interesting. I called customer support just this morning, and was told the 28th.

This was after I received confirmation that my $200 order (free shipping) which included my AndroMass, had in fact shipped FedEx. Needless to say, I was thrilled, only to find the USPS mailman at more door on Saturday demanding $14 in unpaid shipping charges for my order. Turns out it was a $340 order for someone in Florida. Now I have to ship this back to PP only to find out here, that my order will be delayed even longer. What an experience this has all been.

To the guy in Florida who's order I received, looks like you're going to have some good times ahead!
 
crewchief182 said:
Interesting. I called customer support just this morning, and was told the 28th.

This was after I received confirmation that my $200 order (free shipping) which included my AndroMass, had in fact shipped FedEx. Needless to say, I was thrilled, only to find the USPS mailman at more door on Saturday demanding $14 in unpaid shipping charges for my order. Turns out it was a $340 order for someone in Florida. Now I have to ship this back to PP only to find out here, that my order will be delayed even longer. What an experience this has all been.

To the guy in Florida who's order I received, looks like you're going to have some good times ahead!
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Wow, shoot me a PM, very sorry about this
 
crewchief182 said:
Interesting. I called customer support just this morning, and was told the 28th.

This was after I received confirmation that my $200 order (free shipping) which included my AndroMass, had in fact shipped FedEx. Needless to say, I was thrilled, only to find the USPS mailman at more door on Saturday demanding $14 in unpaid shipping charges for my order. Turns out it was a $340 order for someone in Florida. Now I have to ship this back to PP only to find out here, that my order will be delayed even longer. What an experience this has all been.

To the guy in Florida who's order I received, looks like you're going to have some good times ahead!
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That's wild man, did you shoot Ryan a PM?
 
crewchief182 said:
Things happen. I think everything has been worked out, thanks for your concern on the matter.
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I will mention this Eric if Ryan hasnt already done so. We apologize for the errors bro and we will make it right.
 
i know this will be a stupid question but which one of these ah,al,am is going to be the stonghest closes to reall test (gear)?
 
lol why are these new PP products so damn expensive, fill me in on these, I just checked their site the other day as Ive always enjoyed their products and saw these...
 
SwolenONE said:
lol why are these new PP products so damn expensive, fill me in on these, I just checked their site the other day as Ive always enjoyed their products and saw these...
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The price of unicorn blood has gone up in price. It's the key ingredient to PP's new delivery system :wink1:
 
SwolenONE said:
lol why are these new PP products so damn expensive, fill me in on these, I just checked their site the other day as Ive always enjoyed their products and saw these...
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Check out the 111 page "The Future of Primordial Performance" thread in the Company Promotions section. Your question has literally been asked and answered a hundred times over...
 
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