ANDROHARD AS A BRIDGE BETWEEN CYCLES????????

sking6464

sking6464

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i saw in the gyno contest thread on pp, eric stated even after 12wks of max dose, androhard would only cause 20% ish suppression......which leads me to

for the guys cycling for 12-14wks, and pct and time off sucks......what about androhard as a bridge or a light cycle in between heavier runs, a la sarms

obviously bloodwork would be taken before and after to ensure it isnt doing more suppression than it should, but it might be an alternative to samrs and/or peptides in between cycles, to stay pumped and hard, and altho mild, would serve its purpose

also tren has given me a small gyno lump, and altho controlled with letro, and adding in ralox soon to see if it helps, id like to test the hard and its gyno reducing properties as well

thoughts?
 
I like PP but I would have to caution that the assumption of low suppression is just an assumption. If we saw clinical bloodwork to back the fact then yes, it could make a good bridge protocol and certainly wouldn't be any worse then the classic "low dose dbol" bridges. But if your already suppressed from a previous cycle, a low suppressive compound isn't going to make it any better.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
I like PP but I would have to caution that the assumption of low suppression is just an assumption. If we saw clinical bloodwork to back the fact then yes, it could make a good bridge protocol and certainly wouldn't be any worse then the classic "low dose dbol" bridges. But if your already suppressed from a previous cycle, a low suppressive compound isn't going to make it any better.
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Well, it's the theory behind using 11-oxo as a bridge. Natural test levels will increase to a certain point, especially because 11-oxo reduces cortisol (swaying the balance in favor of testosterone). We have some bloods of on-cycle androhard, but no before-bloods that I have access to. Estrogen was below the range minimum and testosterone was around 300 ng/dl. That's not bad considering (anecdotally) the guy who was using had naturally low testosterone levels.
 
This would be very interesting to see. I was thinking about doing this but the DHT conversion on AH is too hard on my hair.... When the wifey says it's okay for me to shave my head I'll try it ;P
 
mattrag said:
This would be very interesting to see. I was thinking about doing this but the DHT conversion on AH is too hard on my hair.... When the wifey says it's okay for me to shave my head I'll try it ;P
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haha, i had thin hair, started going early, but i was busting the stone cold look since high school so i never cared.....bald makes you look bigger lol
 
prld2gr8ns said:
I like PP but I would have to caution that the assumption of low suppression is just an assumption. If we saw clinical bloodwork to back the fact then yes, it could make a good bridge protocol and certainly wouldn't be any worse then the classic "low dose dbol" bridges. But if your already suppressed from a previous cycle, a low suppressive compound isn't going to make it any better.
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^This.
 
sking6464 said:
haha, i had thin hair, started going early, but i was busting the stone cold look since high school so i never cared.....bald makes you look bigger lol
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yup I've done it b4 lol. But here in Japan ... for some reason hair is treasured... i don't think so, i'd rather have some hyooge muscles hahah. Plus no hair = less shampoo! Economical :D plus no need for the barber.
 
if you were going to run pct from a previous cycle, recover, then androhard into a more powerful cycle, that would be okay.

but if you wanted to say, run alpha one for 4 weeks, then run androhard for 4 weeks while your liver heals, then run dplex for 4 weeks, you are just going to make your testes more desensitized to the effects of lh and require a much harder pct.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Well, it's the theory behind using 11-oxo as a bridge. Natural test levels will increase to a certain point, especially because 11-oxo reduces cortisol (swaying the balance in favor of testosterone). We have some bloods of on-cycle androhard, but no before-bloods that I have access to. Estrogen was below the range minimum and testosterone was around 300 ng/dl. That's not bad considering (anecdotally) the guy who was using had naturally low testosterone levels.
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I understand, and I'm not disputing the fact that it could be a good bridge compound. I would hesitate to suggest anyone use a ph or ps as a bridge for sake of low suppression when the whole idea is to bounce back from suppression. Physiologically, I don't see how it is possible to be suppressed, then add a low suppressive hormone to the continuation of a 12-14wk cycle to decrease or aid in suppression. Perhaps a better way to term this would be saying that AH wouldn't cause anymore suppression then one's current cycle. If you found a ps/ph that actually helps with suppression then you would have a gold mine, I'm sure. Was the person you had bloods on coming off of a cycle, or was he always just naturally low on T levels. If he's naturally low then it shows AH could be beneficial as a HRT protocol, an assumption that was made when the androseries first kicked off, which is great.

mattrag said:
yea.. definitely need some HCG on cycle...
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Always a good idea.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
I understand, and I'm not disputing the fact that it could be a good bridge compound. I would hesitate to suggest anyone use a ph or ps as a bridge for sake of low suppression when the whole idea is to bounce back from suppression. Physiologically, I don't see how it is possible to be suppressed, then add a low suppressive hormone to the continuation of a 12-14wk cycle to decrease or aid in suppression. Perhaps a better way to term this would be saying that AH wouldn't cause anymore suppression then one's current cycle. If you found a ps/ph that actually helps with suppression then you would have a gold mine, I'm sure. Was the person you had bloods on coming off of a cycle, or was he always just naturally low on T levels. If he's naturally low then it shows AH could be beneficial as a HRT protocol, an assumption that was made when the androseries first kicked off, which is great.



Always a good idea.
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I agree, I've always been wary about bridging. I think bloods are needed to really verify if it could be done. But Patrick Arnold supports bridging (into PCT, not into another cycle) and I think that says a lot about the theory.

He wasn't coming off a cycle, he was just using androhard as part of a 16 week gyno-destroying cycle that Eric devised.
 
jbryand101b said:
if you were going to run pct from a previous cycle, recover, then androhard into a more powerful cycle, that would be okay.

but if you wanted to say, run alpha one for 4 weeks, then run androhard for 4 weeks while your liver heals, then run dplex for 4 weeks, you are just going to make your testes more desensitized to the effects of lh and require a much harder pct.
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This is what i am doing now. Ran 6 week epi/trenazone cycle followed by 5 week pct of nolva 20/20/10/10/10 w TF2. Now on 6 week androhard cycle. So far so good. Didn't get bloods after last pct which I usually do but felt fine and I have done enough cycles/pct's to know how I'm feeling. Definitely gonna get bloods after this pct which will be 20/10/10/10 nolva w DAA followed by 6 bromo last week of nolva to lower estro.

I'll let u know how bloods r but only on week 4 of AH and feeling great. Strength is still going up after a little hit from last pct. Leaning out and very vascular. Loving the AH right now.

Stats now
5''11
223
14% bf.
But on some fat from epi/trenazone run due to poor diet. Fiancé was pregs and it's tough running out for ice cream or T Bell and not picking up anything for yourself.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
I agree, I've always been wary about bridging. I think bloods are needed to really verify if it could be done. But Patrick Arnold supports bridging (into PCT, not into another cycle) and I think that says a lot about the theory.

He wasn't coming off a cycle, he was just using androhard as part of a 16 week gyno-destroying cycle that Eric devised.
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Bridging in PCT, then having a full PCT would have some merit. I could have been mistaken, but the OP's post made it sound like suggesting one cycle to the other. If that wasn't the case... my bad.

If he was on for 16wks and had those test levels, then that is some good stuff. How were the effects on his gyno?
 
Jlive2480 said:
This is what i am doing now. Ran 6 week epi/trenazone cycle followed by 5 week pct of nolva 20/20/10/10/10 w TF2. Now on 6 week androhard cycle. So far so good. Didn't get bloods after last pct which I usually do but felt fine and I have done enough cycles/pct's to know how I'm feeling. Definitely gonna get bloods after this pct which will be 20/10/10/10 nolva w DAA followed by 6 bromo last week of nolva to lower estro.

I'll let u know how bloods r but only on week 4 of AH and feeling great. Strength is still going up after a little hit from last pct. Leaning out and very vascular. Loving the AH right now.

Stats now
5''11
223
14% bf.
But on some fat from epi/trenazone run due to poor diet. Fiancé was pregs and it's tough running out for ice cream or T Bell and not picking up anything for yourself.[/QUOTE I am sorry, but I just can't see how this would be a good idea after running tren for six weeks.
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This is an interesting topic. I would do cycle > full PCT >low dose AH bridge

Would love to see someone try that out with full bloods pre cycle, post pct, then post AH
 

Hey man I hear ya but been doing this **** for a long time and always was careful and waiting between runs. I wouldn't run a methylated Compound or anything very suppressive. It's basically a hrt dose

Not that it really mAtters but the trenazone was run at 5 weeks not 6. Reason I did it is I always run and AI tapered down starting last week of nolva since it raises estro along w test to get rid of the excess estro sides. Wanted to be a guinea pig since I saw someone mention this same thing before. I ran a proper pct so figured it couldn't hurt to test it out w such a low suppressive PH. Was it stupid? Bloods will tell in a couple months.
 
T50 said:
This is an interesting topic. I would do cycle > full PCT >low dose AH bridge

Would love to see someone try that out with full bloods pre cycle, post pct, then post AH
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Doing that now except didn't get bloods pre or post pct. Hadnt run a cycle in 6 months so figured I was fine and had been feeling great. But will be getting post pct AH bloods and will post them. Running ah at full dose
 
T50 said:
This is an interesting topic. I would do cycle > full PCT >low dose AH bridge

Would love to see someone try that out with full bloods pre cycle, post pct, then post AH
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its pretty much what i was getting at.....example

last shot is sept first, ill pct till end of oct, get bloods to make sure im on track....if im okay, ill continue the natty part of pct, then say nov 1st start hard at normal dose for good 8-10wks, then mild natty pct.....gets me to about first week of feb....blood should be fine considering hard is mild, should, then jump onto inj cycle

this way iv taken 'time off' from oils, 6mos, but still got my fix in between, also tren has aggrivated some pubescent gyno i had, and once i cease the ralox and aromasin, i wouldnt mind seeing how much hard could actually shrink the lump, if anything

this is all contingent on bloods of course, but on paper looked interesting/promising to me......and an alternative to sarms

we all agree time off sucks ass, but no one wants to be on trt either, so experimenting like this is one way
 
Just a personal stance, but I'm not a big fan of bridging with any AAS. With all of the ubiquitous peptides out there, PCT and time between cycles has been changed forever. It would be a nice way to transition into a PCT at the tail end of an injectable run, however.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Some would argue differently. It's all just theory at this point until a LOT of people get bloods before/during/after a bridge.
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Does it really matter about bloods before or during? I mean if I get bloods after pct and i am recovered to normal range(I have had bloods before so know what my norm is) then wouldn't that show it's fine to do? Just curious.
 
Jlive2480 said:
Does it really matter about bloods before or during? I mean if I get bloods after pct and i am recovered to normal range(I have had bloods before so know what my norm is) then wouldn't that show it's fine to do? Just curious.
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It matters because you have no way of knowing if you actually restored your hpta to precycle levels.

You can be in a 'normal ' range and still be in a suppressed state when compared to your pre cycle self.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
It matters because you have no way of knowing if you actually restored your hpta to precycle levels.

You can be in a 'normal ' range and still be in a suppressed state when compared to your pre cycle self.
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Thx for the reply.
 
Jlive2480 said:
This is what i am doing now. Ran 6 week epi/trenazone cycle followed by 5 week pct of nolva 20/20/10/10/10 w TF2. Now on 6 week androhard cycle. So far so good. Didn't get bloods after last pct which I usually do but felt fine and I have done enough cycles/pct's to know how I'm feeling. Definitely gonna get bloods after this pct which will be 20/10/10/10 nolva w DAA followed by 6 bromo last week of nolva to lower estro.

I'll let u know how bloods r but only on week 4 of AH and feeling great. Strength is still going up after a little hit from last pct. Leaning out and very vascular. Loving the AH right now.

Stats now
5''11
223
14% bf.
But on some fat from epi/trenazone run due to poor diet. Fiancé was pregs and it's tough running out for ice cream or T Bell and not picking up anything for yourself.
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This isn't the same thing, in reality you just jumped on another cycle. Why not just run the AH out two weeks with the rest?
 
ryansm said:
This isn't the same thing, in reality you just jumped on another cycle. Why not just run the AH out two weeks with the rest?
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Not sure what u mean run the AH out two weeks out with the rest?
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Pa started the term bridge. It has since been taken out of context and used as an excuse to further suppress hpta for teh gain.
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x2, actually. I think this is key... but there is a fine line between keeping the cycle going and bridging lol
 
ryansm said:
To help solidify gains and make it a longer cycle
whatever weeks 1-4
AndroHard weeks 1-6 or even 8
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I think this strategy can work as well. Still wonder how it compares to 11-oxo.
 
xx Zues xx said:
How would 11 oxo work as a bridge, i thought of this to... can you elaborate
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Basically, because it is minimally suppressive, but still has anabolic and anti-catabolic power, you can run it right before PCT for 2-3 weeks and supposedly recover some of your natural testosterone production before your full PCT begins. This eases PCT, makes you more likely to keep gains, etc. etc. It's really a theory, but it was touted by PA who is generally recognized as one of the most knowledgeable guys where hormones are involved.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Basically, because it is minimally suppressive, but still has anabolic and anti-catabolic power, you can run it right before PCT for 2-3 weeks and supposedly recover some of your natural testosterone production before your full PCT begins. This eases PCT, makes you more likely to keep gains, etc. etc. It's really a theory, but it was touted by PA who is generally recognized as one of the most knowledgeable guys where hormones are involved.
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I'm not sold on it, maybe I could test it with bloods...hmmm
 
Rodja said:
Approximately where are you sitting right now (besides being close to a damn silverback)?
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I can see my upper abs, so my guess is 18% at 307 last time I weighed. Need to get it checked officially. If I cut hard I can hit the 12% by Christmas (yes that is hard for me)
 
ryansm said:
I can see my upper abs, so my guess is 18% at 307 last time I weighed. Need to get it checked officially. If I cut hard I can hit the 12% by Christmas (yes that is hard for me)
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That would be about 18lbs of fat loss in ~4.5 months. It's doable and you could probably recomp a bit along the way as well.
 
Rodja said:
That would be about 18lbs of fat loss in ~4.5 months. It's doable and you could probably recomp a bit along the way as well.
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Ya. I've been back an forth lately with fat loss/gain and muscle loss/gain since my recent injury. It's been tough figuring out cal intake since my activity level has gone down.
 
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