HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
We have not seen much indication of prostate stress, however AH can certainly cause it as it converts to DHT. I would suggest you try Prostate 5LX if you are prone.
Androbulk
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We have not seen much indication of prostate stress, however AH can certainly cause it as it converts to DHT. I would suggest you try Prostate 5LX if you are prone.
jaydollars
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technique88 said:
Well you tell me, what results are you seeing?
jaydollars
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JD Intl said:
I ran them together, no sides, I'm prone to hair loss and none of that either
technique88
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jaydollars said:
The results are amazing! I am stacking it with helladrol and so far my vascularity has definitely increased and I am filling out nicely.
ryansm
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^^^X2 if you have the time
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Yeah, for the guys that are lean enough, the vascularity on Hard can be intense!
technique88
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barlush23 said:
Its my first PH run, I've been trying to log it but I've been so busy at the moment working and applying to grad schools. I am going to try to get something up though. My stack is as follows:
Androhard: 6/6/6/6/12/12/12/12
Helladrol:0/50/75/100/100/100/100/0
I started at 223 and I am now 234, but significantly leaner! The strength is unreal but of course my diet is on point.
My next PH run is going to be androlean/hard with ultradrol. I will 100% log that one, especially because ill be more experienced.
MattPorter
Banned
lol @ 2400 mgs of androgens in the blood daily! How are you feeling mentally, and physically? What have you noticed at that dose? What condition did you begin the cycle in?
-matt
technique88
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Mentally and physically I feel like a machine =) I am pretty reserved as a person but I cannot help but to feel alpha haha. Starting condition: lifting for 6 years or so but had a mini break. I was a little soft, some extra love around the middle, but nothing too serious. As of now though, I am vascular, dense, and a gym machine. I feel that I have already surpassed my gym partners that were in way better shape than me. Weight just seems to be getting lighter. My favorite is how androhard built up nicely, I didn't wake up one day super aggressive. Even at 12 caps I dont have any sides...weirdly I feel as if my hair seems fuller and I USED to have acne on my back and now I dont...strange lol.
technique88
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Strength is unreal. I hit one weight one week, and then the next week that very same weight I struggled on seems light =)
MattPorter
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Those results seem crazy actually --- You should have taken before pics...... how is your diet? Eating to shed fat or just maintenance?
-Matt
technique88
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MattPorter said:
My diet is formulated for a recomp. I would have definitely taken pics but I'm not a fan of being on the internet...I don't even have a facebook lol. I eat about 450g of clean protein/day, 100g of quality fats, and 100g of quality carbs.
technique88
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technique88 said:
At 12 caps a day is it more beneficial to dose all at once or 6 caps every 12 hours...I've been dosing 6 caps + 50 mg of helladrol every 12 hours...
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
You can try splitting the dose since avoiding shut down is not necessary.
ryansm
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^^^This split the dose, you may even try a pre-workout dose
Jorsn
Active member
I did this with AHV3... Thought my biceps were going to pop.
technique88
Well-known member
Just took 6 androhard and 50 mg of helladrol and I thought my chest was going to rip through my shirt
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Definitely doesn't sound like a bad thing 
JD Intl
New member
Ok so I am going to run AB & AH come the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] of June any suggestions on how my dosage should look? Primordial website says 6 AB and 3 AH but how should I split them? I was thinking 2AB & 1AH after breakfast, lunch & dinner. I ran AM 2 deferent times and that is how I split it was after each meal 2caps… Any suggestions?
MattPorter
Banned
AH @ 12 softgels a day
AB @ 6 softgels a day
...Oh wait, that is 18 softgels a day!
I guess this is where topical AndroEnhance comes in handy
-Matt
AB @ 6 softgels a day
...Oh wait, that is 18 softgels a day!
I guess this is where topical AndroEnhance comes in handy
-Matt
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Unfortunately, I have already tried that!
tilldeath
Active member
AH @ 12 softgels a day
AB @ 6 softgels a day
...Oh wait, that is 18 softgels a day!
I guess this is where topical AndroEnhance comes in handy
-Matt
When!!!!!!!!!!!! Still only rumblings a of the topical and no official word of when or what?
MattPorter
Banned
tilldeath
Active member
Yes!
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Solid!
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
AH @ 12 softgels a day
AB @ 6 softgels a day
...Oh wait, that is 18 softgels a day!
I guess this is where topical AndroEnhance comes in handy
-Matt
are you spilling the beans again? ........BTW your inbox is full (again)
.......I'll post the question here in hopes you see it lolOK....Could you run down that on-cycle night-time PCT alternative you posted about recently? I want to do 8 weeks of AB at 6 per day once a day dosing, and either 10mg or 20mg beastdrol W/O days only (4 days per week, T-W and Sat-Sun)....so I REALLY don't want to mess with a PCT afterwards, or at worst I'd use the new TRS that is supposed to be coming out.....but I think your "non-PCT" protocol nightly would work for this cycle since AB is not that suppressive and beastdrol that is "pulsed" should not be terribly suppressive if you take the right supps to counteract those effects. thanks.
ryansm
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You would still need a PCT, Matt's on cycle plan is not a PCT alternative....I believe he recommends Sustain Alpha and DAA for the on cycle protocolare you spilling the beans again? ........BTW your inbox is full (again)
OK....Could you run down that on-cycle night-time PCT alternative you posted about recently? I want to do 8 weeks of AB at 6 per day once a day dosing, and either 10mg or 20mg beastdrol W/O days only (4 days per week, T-W and Sat-Sun)....so I REALLY don't want to mess with a PCT afterwards, or at worst I'd use the new TRS that is supposed to be coming out.....but I think your "non-PCT" protocol nightly would work for this cycle since AB is not that suppressive and beastdrol that is "pulsed" should not be terribly suppressive if you take the right supps to counteract those effects. thanks.
WARBIRDWS6
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ryansm said:
Well...I'm not doing a SERM for PCT .....I'LL do the on cycle deal and an Otc PCT.... With 7KT as well.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
I would suggest the addition of a SERM even if you are just pulsing SD.
MattPorter
Banned
are you spilling the beans again? ........BTW your inbox is full (again)
OK....Could you run down that on-cycle night-time PCT alternative you posted about recently? I want to do 8 weeks of AB at 6 per day once a day dosing, and either 10mg or 20mg beastdrol W/O days only (4 days per week, T-W and Sat-Sun)....so I REALLY don't want to mess with a PCT afterwards, or at worst I'd use the new TRS that is supposed to be coming out.....but I think your "non-PCT" protocol nightly would work for this cycle since AB is not that suppressive and beastdrol that is "pulsed" should not be terribly suppressive if you take the right supps to counteract those effects. thanks.
Why SD? Why not mechabol or halo or Epi? They ALWAYS treated me better than SD ever would..
I am big on running alot of ammo on cycle and pct --- so I would dose the tcf-1 + sustain at night --- then also post cycle + EndoAMP + adjust my diet to where I can allot carbs for Intra-Workout nutrition with Karbolyn or Vitargo + aminos + creatine gluconate.
Then I would use DES igf-1 pre workout withthe drink
-Matt
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
I refuse
unless I am doing something looooong term (like I just did lol) or use something harsh that I feel requires Clomid (like actual gear, or highly suppressive PH/designers)....it just makes me feel like shyt, worse and worse every time I use it... I'm 90% sure clomid is what is making me moody/emotional/depressed etc etc....could be something else? we'll see when I discontinue it this weekend....Maybe I'll do AB by itself.....
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
I figured SD would stack well with ABv3....sort of like a deca/test/dbol kinda synergy....but I've never used SD actually, not sure how it will treat me. I suppose its different in each individual.....and I figured the moderate dosing and pulsing would alleviate much of the bad sides....but when you say "post-cycle + endoAMP", do you mean a SERM + endoAMP when saying post-cycle? or something else?
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Then do AB by itself. SD is very suppressive.I refuse
WARBIRDWS6
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correct me if I'm wrong.....but the guys who are pulsing SD are not doing any sort of PCT much less a SERM right?.....so maybe a very low SD dose 4X per week (10mg?).....and as for the ABv3, well the whole idea of once a day dosing is to limit suppression right? as well, the nightly DAA/sustain alpha protocol is supposed to further aid in the limiting of suppression....seems if you pulse the SD at low doses and do once a day dosing on the AB....an OTC type PCT should work....at least it sounds logical to me
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MattPorter
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correct me if I'm wrong.....but the guys who are pulsing SD are not doing any sort of PCT much less a SERM right?.....so maybe a very low SD dose 4X per week (10mg?).....and as for the ABv3, well the whole idea of once a day dosing is to limit suppression right? as well, the nightly DAA/sustain alpha protocol is supposed to further aid in the limiting of suppression....seems if you pulse the SD at low doses and do once a day dosing on the AB....an OTC type PCT should work....at least it sounds logical to me
I guess I never invested much time into the "pulsing concept" but it seems like a hormonal roller coaster and not conducive towards anything --- either maximize the hormone and use it the best way possible or just not include it.
I am assuming this happened yrs ago from epistane (if i am not mistaken) --- Anytime people use fluctuating hormone dosing more sides generally occur... like dosing prop 3 xs a week or tren acetate 3 xs a week --- I find that ED dosing yields least likelihood of side effects as the blood levels stay consistent.
-Matt
WARBIRDWS6
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I also always thought pulsing was a total joke and I usually just ignore those posts.......BUT, in this case I thought it might be useful....for something strong like SD....can't see pulsing epi or hdrol or whatever else people pulse, as you say JUST DO IT! for 6 weeks or whatever straight ED dosing with that stuff. I don't know, I might incorporate SD at 10mg 4X a week pre-WO with the AB, or maybe just the AB....we'll see in July.....
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Pulsing is definitely a love it or don't thing. I don't tend to agree with it, so I would never recommend it.
MattPorter
Banned
Be cautious with that SD delayed GYNO --- its low androgenic nature combined with ABv3 low-ish androgenic nature could strike a lower DHT + Testosterone level Post cyle while estrogen shoots up out of ratio....
-Matt
ryansm
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Have read about it happening many times with just SD
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
I always use an AI in PCT, probably part of the actual cycle as well. But yeah, I am sure I'd be susceptible to any sort of possible gyno....
MattPorter
Banned
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Aromasin has always been my go to AI. Unless the strength of letro is needed, I see no reason to use anything else.
WARBIRDWS6
Banned
yeah I agree with you guys....only problem is that I INSIST on Rx grade stuff, which as we know is retardedly expensive....but then again you use such small mg amounts a single pill could last you quite a while ......
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HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
As have I with my cycles, but you are definitely right, it can add up quickly.yeah I agree with you guys....only problem is that I INSIST on Rx grade stuff, which as we know is retardedly expensive....but then again you use such small mg amounts a single pill could last you quite a while
MattPorter
Banned
I do like our (Pp) new research sponsor on our home forum as we discussed in length on the phone about quality and testing goods. He even said he will no carry peptides yet due to the low quality as he only wants pure product.
I am curious about their aromasin......
-Matt
I am curious about their aromasin......
-Matt