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@androbulk androhard etc....wtf

BigVida

BigVida

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whats he real deal on this stuff guys? dont wanna hear from representatives, from people who have experienced it with their own cash. i cant justify paying 200 and still getting a serm for something that is dealing wih dhea. is this stuff a scam or does it actually produce gains? all the reviews ive read are garbage, and the logs ive seen hvent really show before and after pics etc. not bashing the product, just wanna know the truth
 
From what I've seen, androbulk isn't getting people the results they wanted. Androhard on the other hand is getting people some good recomps.
 
retroscapers said:
From what I've seen, androbulk isn't getting people the results they wanted. Androhard on the other hand is getting people some good recomps.
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yeah thats what ive seen, kinda ridiculous to sell it for 200 bones if its giving even semi sub par reviews. il stick to my epistane
 
BigVida said:
yeah thats what ive seen, kinda ridiculous to sell it for 200 bones if its giving even semi sub par reviews. il stick to my epistane
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If you're already using methyls I probably wouldn't expect them to be stronger. Just don't expect them to be as strong, but they do indeed work. The main selling point is being much safer and less harsh on the body. If you've been using methlys for a while, switching to something less toxic might be good to give your body a break while still making the gains you want.

Also bear in mind that comparing a DHT derivative (EPI), usually best for strength, against a Testosterone derivative (Androbulk) usually best for size. If you're using a training routine geared for strength while using something like androbulk then of course you might get less returns or indeed androhard while trying to put on size. Using the right product with a training routine that suits it's strengths will yield the best results.

Androhard will be more comparable to EPI imo, given they're both DHT related.
 
BigVida said:
whats he real deal on this stuff guys? dont wanna hear from representatives, from people who have experienced it with their own cash. i cant justify paying 200 and still getting a serm for something that is dealing wih dhea. is this stuff a scam or does it actually produce gains? all the reviews ive read are garbage, and the logs ive seen hvent really show before and after pics etc. not bashing the product, just wanna know the truth
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I as well have seen many food reviews for androhard. I, like you, could not spend the money on something that gives results hardly compatible to other MUCH cheaper products.

I'll never use their products so long as the price remains as high. I can't imagine that the cost to manufacture their andro line is that significant that it justifies the steep prices...my guess is that it is to cover the advertisement. If anyone wants to and a free bottle, I'd be more than happy to try!
 
lboston said:
I as well have seen many food reviews for androhard. I, like you, could not spend the money on something that gives results hardly compatible to other MUCH cheaper products.

I'll never use their products so long as the price remains as high. I can't imagine that the cost to manufacture their andro line is that significant that it justifies the steep prices...my guess is that it is to cover the advertisement. If anyone wants to and a free bottle, I'd be more than happy to try!
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***should say good reviews, not food...
 
Thanks for the solid info synergy, and Boston I'm with u. Even a quarter ounce of good blow doesn't cost that much :) ..... The primordial reps seem to be good dudes that actually care about your satisfaction, but it seems they try and sell it a little too hard, like everythings a sales pitch. But anyway, just been thinking about it a lot and wanted some feedback from u guys that aren't reps.
 
lboston said:
I'll never use their products so long as the price remains as high. I can't imagine that the cost to manufacture their andro line is that significant that it justifies the steep prices...my guess is that it is to cover the advertisement. If anyone wants to and a free bottle, I'd be more than happy to try!
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To be honest I think it's combination of liquivade being owned by another company, kinda like buying a blend from another company which from what I gather isn't cheap, making the liquid caps is pretty expensive vs regular caps, because of the volume and number of caps they're far more expensive to ship vs 20mg a capsule PH's, High amounts of compound because of the number of conversions and then probably not at a huge volume of production because the market for product at that price range isn't huge and you need alot of capital up front.

Having to reformulate so soon didn't help, they should have tested more. In theory, if they got it spot on the first time, they would have had a great hit product, people would buy more, they could up their volume of production and get a lower price point longterm.

Right now it looks like they're trying to invest in the future, in DHEA which should be well protect while staying as a capsule so easily to claim they're making dietary supplements. Hopefully as they invest back into it, the andro series will get cheaper :)
 
lboston said:
I as well have seen many food reviews for androhard. I, like you, could not spend the money on something that gives results hardly compatible to other MUCH cheaper products.

I'll never use their products so long as the price remains as high. I can't imagine that the cost to manufacture their andro line is that significant that it justifies the steep prices...my guess is that it is to cover the advertisement. If anyone wants to and a free bottle, I'd be more than happy to try!
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The powders and carrier are not common and expensive to manufacture.

SynergyIre said:
To be honest I think it's combination of liquivade being owned by another company, kinda like buying a blend from another company which from what I gather isn't cheap, making the liquid caps is pretty expensive vs regular caps, because of the volume and number of caps they're far more expensive to ship vs 20mg a capsule PH's, High amounts of compound because of the number of conversions and then probably not at a huge volume of production because the market for product at that price range isn't huge and you need alot of capital up front.

Having to reformulate so soon didn't help, they should have tested more. In theory, if they got it spot on the first time, they would have had a great hit product, people would buy more, they could up their volume of production and get a lower price point longterm.

Right now it looks like they're trying to invest in the future, in DHEA which should be well protect while staying as a capsule so easily to claim they're making dietary supplements. Hopefully as they invest back into it, the andro series will get cheaper :)
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PP does own the carrier rights, so licensing is not part of the cost. Even alpha and beta testing isn't always reliable because the numbers are limited and makes the data not as reliable.
 
Rodja said:
The powders and carrier are not common and expensive to manufacture.

PP does own the carrier rights, so licensing is not part of the cost. Even alpha and beta testing isn't always reliable because the numbers are limited and makes the data not as reliable.
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Thanks for chiming in! You can definitely speak from more experience then me. Perhaps you can speak more to why the high cost? I do remember from the V2 line up warm up threads, when people asked if there had been any logs or beta testing, the answer was like a 'ummmm well..... but on paper it looks incredible!'
 
SynergyIre said:
Thanks for chiming in! You can definitely speak from more experience then me. Perhaps you can speak more to why the high cost? I do remember from the V2 line up warm up threads, when people asked if there had been any logs or beta testing, the answer was like a 'ummmm well..... but on paper it looks incredible!'
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Innovation is expensive. People forget this because many weren't around then, but when SD was released, it was not $25-30 per bottle.
 
Rodja said:
Innovation is expensive. People forget this because many weren't around then, but when SD was released, it was not $25-30 per bottle.
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Certainly before my time to see the cost of what superdrol was. I have no doubt it was much more, especially before cheap chinese labs got in on it.

So the cost of the product is more recouping on R&D / Innovation related expenditure rather then cost of raws and manufacturing?
 
SynergyIre said:
Certainly before my time to see the cost of what superdrol was. I have no doubt it was much more, especially before cheap chinese labs got in on it.

So the cost of the product is more recouping on R&D / Innovation related expenditure rather then cost of raws and manufacturing?
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Everything comes from China and has for awhile now, but to answer your question, no. The raws and manufacturing process is expensive just like any new technology.
 
I ran androbulk at 6 caps and 3 caps androhard for 8 weeks, gained 10lbs and had awesome strength gains, I had to buy new work pants cause my thighs got so much bigger, added half inch to my bis as well
 
There's some pretty good sales going on now were I saw bulk at 130 and hard around 70. Even saw androdrive at pre workout prices lol around 40.
 
I'm a fan, finishing up my AHv3 run in about a week. Check my log for more info. Not PH strength but way less harsh, no sides that I have seen and only positives in lift and definition.
 
retroscapers said:
There's some pretty good sales going on now were I saw bulk at 130 and hard around 70. Even saw androdrive at pre workout prices lol around 40.
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Androdrive is one I'm really keen on trying out. I just want feedback from more healthy people (a lot of non-healthy individuals are praising it so I'm waiting to see what 'normals' say about it =p )
 
I just don't trust the new carrier so I won't ever being using the androseries. I liked their other products though and will probably be purchasing their new line of basics when they come out.
 
I just finished a 12 cycle of Androhard and Androdrive. Did not see any big muscle gains, rather saw muscle hardness and tone improvements . What I did see was extremely significant gains in strength on most bodyparts, especially arms, shoulders, back, and legs. Chest is hopeless due to shoulder issues, but I saw improvement there also, just not anything significant. I also saw improvement in mood, as well as stamina during aerobics - I do a lot of trail running, cycling, and backpacking.

I will start another cycle in August as a present to myself for my 58th birthday. I highly recommend these products to anyone , especially for any "older " folks wanting strength gains (with hard work of course).
 
SynergyIre said:
Could you PM me details? :-D
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Just look for a certain prohormone site. I know there are lots of prohormone sites, but one that is for prohormones has some good deals on prohormones. ;)
Ah oops I got the AH price off, it's actually 89. There was another site that had it a little cheaper, on all of them, but they were all sold out.
 
lboston said:
I as well have seen many food reviews for androhard. I, like you, could not spend the money on something that gives results hardly compatible to other MUCH cheaper products.

I'll never use their products so long as the price remains as high. I can't imagine that the cost to manufacture their andro line is that significant that it justifies the steep prices...my guess is that it is to cover the advertisement. If anyone wants to and a free bottle, I'd be more than happy to try!
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I'll chime in on this even though I am a rep
We actually went into a pretty steep debt paying for the AndroSeries and it was wrapped up in manufacturing costs not marketing. They are not simply DHEA and had to be manufactured from scratch for the first time ever, it was a tedious process in which we received several bad batches. A lot of the methyls are cheap for many reasons, however, a lot of companies do not test raws and there are several ways to test for impurities the more extensive the more expensive. We also pour many man hours into research to make sure we have something that is worthwhile and imo and many others we do. We are trying to get costs down at this moment.
 
T-Bone said:
I just don't trust the new carrier so I won't ever being using the androseries. I liked their other products though and will probably be purchasing their new line of basics when they come out.
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Trust in terms of your meds?

Like I said watch out for our new TD AndroEnhance I know how much you like transdermals
 
BigVida said:
whats he real deal on this stuff guys? dont wanna hear from representatives, from people who have experienced it with their own cash. i cant justify paying 200 and still getting a serm for something that is dealing wih dhea. is this stuff a scam or does it actually produce gains? all the reviews ive read are garbage, and the logs ive seen hvent really show before and after pics etc. not bashing the product, just wanna know the truth
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never tried it, but i've heard it's DEFINITELY not worth the 200$, if i were you i'd just invest 60 dollars into some dymethazine or if you think your body can handle it, some superdrol. heck, with 60 dollars you can buy either and still have enough money to buy milk thistle, fish oil, and astaxanthin to protect your liver and heart/lipids. that's what i did lmao.
 
BigVida said:
whats he real deal on this stuff guys? dont wanna hear from representatives, from people who have experienced it with their own cash. i cant justify paying 200 and still getting a serm for something that is dealing wih dhea. is this stuff a scam or does it actually produce gains? all the reviews ive read are garbage, and the logs ive seen hvent really show before and after pics etc. not bashing the product, just wanna know the truth
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AndroMass v2 gave me some size. May try AndroLean next.
 
tilldeath said:
I'm a fan, finishing up my AHv3 run in about a week. Check my log for more info. Not PH strength but way less harsh, no sides that I have seen and only positives in lift and definition.
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I have to agree with TD. PP Ando's are not PH strength but not having the harsh sides is worth paying for in my book. I also like the fact I can run PP longer and not feel like crap towards the end of my cycle. My first log with PP was AL/AH V2 last summer which was a full recomp and sold me on their products. I'm currently logging AM/AH/AD V3 for 8 weeks of which I just wrapped up week one. Nothing to write home about yet, but most of the V3 loggers haven't seen or felt much until weeks 3 or 4.
 
Colbicide said:
I have to agree with TD. PP Ando's are not PH strength but not having the harsh sides is worth paying for in my book. I also like the fact I can run PP longer and not feel like crap towards the end of my cycle. My first log with PP was AL/AH V2 last summer which was a full recomp and sold me on their products. I'm currently logging AM/AH/AD V3 for 8 weeks of which I just wrapped up week one. Nothing to write home about yet, but most of the V3 loggers haven't seen or felt much until weeks 3 or 4.
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Thinking about running AH and AL for a cut/recomp... What were your numbers like? Body fat % , etc.?
 
you all need to stop comparing the androseries to a methyl!!!!!!! compare it to something that is actually like it. low dose test or something like that. alot safer and meant to be taken as a longer cycle, 8+ weeks is ideal for this stuff. duh methyls are cheap and will blow you up, but you will also lose some of your gains and your test/liver wont be too happy during and after the cycle. and its not PP fault its expensive. androfactory is just as expensive when you break it down to servings/price...etc its just how it is. i think PP knows the lower the cost, the more they will sell. they arent dumb. i trust they are doing what they can.
 
R1balla said:
you all need to stop comparing the androseries to a methyl!!!!!!! compare it to something that is actually like it. low dose test or something like that. alot safer and meant to be taken as a longer cycle, 8+ weeks is ideal for this stuff. duh methyls are cheap and will blow you up, but you will also lose some of your gains and your test/liver wont be too happy during and after the cycle. and its not PP fault its expensive. androfactory is just as expensive when you break it down to servings/price...etc its just how it is. i think PP knows the lower the cost, the more they will sell. they arent dumb. i trust they are doing what they can.
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true story, PP makes quality at a good price when you account for support supps and heavy PCT you'd need for methyl's. It's a choice and in the long run your body will thank you.
 
tilldeath said:
true story, PP makes quality at a good price when you account for support supps and heavy PCT you'd need for methyl's. It's a choice and in the long run your body will thank you.
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This is the take home point. If you want safe products that allow for easy to maintain gains, the androseries will answer the call. If you want rapid gains for the least amount of money, you should buy nothing but superdrol. Buy a Gram of powder, be set for numerous cycles for next to nothing.
 
HereToStudy said:
This is the take home point. If you want safe products that allow for easy to maintain gains, the androseries will answer the call. If you want rapid gains for the least amount of money, you should buy nothing but superdrol. Buy a Gram of powder, be set for numerous cycles for next to nothing.
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Cheers. Change your name to HereToTeach.
 
R1balla said:
hahahaha
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At 6900+ posts I think it's time... Lol but really, thanks for the good info...

So, don't stack Androhard with SD?
 
Drizzie88 said:
At 6900+ posts I think it's time... Lol but really, thanks for the good info...

So, don't stack Androhard with SD?
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just cause you can post doesnt mean you know everything! but HTS knows his stuff!

and i wouldnt stack anything with SD. its harsh enough
 
out of curiosity, anyone tried a high dose of DHEA with and otc AI like erase?

like 200+mg. i've heard you can consume 2000+ mg before it becomes toxic...
 
mylo said:
out of curiosity, anyone tried a high dose of DHEA with and otc AI like erase?

like 200+mg. i've heard you can consume 2000+ mg before it becomes toxic...
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There is a forum out there by a reputable member on I think steroidolgy that explains the positive effects of taking DHEA while on cycle... Never heard of anyone using it for its muscle building properties bc they are pretty minimal?

There was an article written on June 29 in the news section of AM that has a study on DHEA and it's "anti-catabolic" effects.
 
ryansm said:
Why?
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for the anabolic effects of course. it IS an androgen on its own. not to mention it's a prohormone to androsterone.

it's also the main ingredient in a few PH products (although they use other names for it).
 
I understand that I'm asking why when there are better options...and what PH products?

mylo said:
for the anabolic effects of course. it IS an androgen on its own. not to mention it's a prohormone to androsterone.

it's also the main ingredient in a few PH products (although they use other names for it).
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ryansm said:
I understand that I'm asking why when there are better options...and what PH products?
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androbulk is basically an non-aromatizing version of DHEA isn't it? methyl 1-d by lg sciences is another one, using only 100 mg of dhea and some mild anti aromatase. can't really think of anymore, but i know that it's been used many times by athletes hoping to gain a mild boost to their training.
 
Our versions are not anything like DHEA itself the comparison and MOA are not even in the same field. I understand your premise but using DHEA and Erase will not garner the same effects

mylo said:
androbulk is basically an non-aromatizing version of DHEA isn't it? methyl 1-d by lg sciences is another one, using only 100 mg of dhea and some mild anti aromatase. can't really think of anymore, but i know that it's been used many times by athletes hoping to gain a mild boost to their training.
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I didn't read the whole thread and all the hating

I used androbulk for 8 weeks, gained 10lbs and had awesome strength gains, al do slept less than 5 hours a night because of a new baby

I will use it again
 
mylo said:
androbulk is basically an non-aromatizing version of DHEA isn't it? methyl 1-d by lg sciences is another one, using only 100 mg of dhea and some mild anti aromatase. can't really think of anymore, but i know that it's been used many times by athletes hoping to gain a mild boost to their training.
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Gaspari came out with Haladrol MT and the US version used DHEA ...
 
I've been curious to try these for a little while, but not matter how much research I do I cannot find clear answers for whats a suggested PCT or support. Every post I read has a different suggestion. If I did I would probably do the Androbulk and Androhard together.
 
boogyman said:
I've been curious to try these for a little while, but not matter how much research I do I cannot find clear answers for whats a suggested PCT or support. Every post I read has a different suggestion. If I did I would probably do the Androbulk and Androhard together.
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then you havent even looked or researched at all. TRS stack
 
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