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Starting a very basic var/test E cycle in the next couple weeks, gear is on the Lolita express en route just wanted some feedback on other peoples opinions as I am still new to anabolics.

Goal: Gain LBM while lowering fat slightly, some added definition and hardness. Increase strength speed and cardio for kickboxing.

Diet: 50% protein 30% carb 20% fat slight caloric surplus mostly chicken rice eggs and quest chips.


Stats:
24y/o
182 lbs
6’0

Cycle:
- 250mg test E wk 1-10 (I know it’s low just replacing natty test which is above 800 currently to test anavar effectiveness)
- 40mg anavar wk 2-10
-looking for some on cycle support with maybe some tudca

-wk 12-16
Clomid 50/50/25/25 (might go torem 90/90/60/30
Nolva 20/20/10/10

will have exemestane ralox and adex on hand

Thinking about adding some hcg in the mix let me know what you think.

also bloods will be posted before during and after cycle and lastly after pct

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Starting a very basic var/test E cycle in the next couple weeks, gear is on the Lolita express en route just wanted some feedback on other peoples opinions as I am still new to anabolics.

Goal: Gain LBM while lowering fat slightly, some added definition and hardness. Increase strength speed and cardio for kickboxing.

Diet: 50% protein 30% carb 20% fat slight caloric surplus mostly chicken rice eggs and quest chips.


Stats:
24y/o
182 lbs
6’0

Cycle:
- 250mg test E wk 1-10 (I know it’s low just replacing natty test which is above 800 currently to test anavar effectiveness)
- 40mg anavar wk 2-10
-looking for some on cycle support with maybe some tudca

-wk 12-16
Clomid 50/50/25/25 (might go torem 90/90/60/30
Nolva 20/20/10/10

will have exemestane ralox and adex on hand

Thinking about adding some hcg in the mix let me know what you think.

also bloods will be posted before during and after cycle and lastly after pct

LFG
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Starting a very basic var/test E cycle in the next couple weeks, gear is on the Lolita express en route just wanted some feedback on other peoples opinions as I am still new to anabolics.

Goal: Gain LBM while lowering fat slightly, some added definition and hardness. Increase strength speed and cardio for kickboxing.

Diet: 50% protein 30% carb 20% fat slight caloric surplus mostly chicken rice eggs and quest chips.


Stats:
24y/o
182 lbs
6’0

Cycle:
- 250mg test E wk 1-10 (I know it’s low just replacing natty test which is above 800 currently to test anavar effectiveness)
- 40mg anavar wk 2-10
-looking for some on cycle support with maybe some tudca

-wk 12-16
Clomid 50/50/25/25 (might go torem 90/90/60/30
Nolva 20/20/10/10

will have exemestane ralox and adex on hand

Thinking about adding some hcg in the mix let me know what you think.

also bloods will be posted before during and after cycle and lastly after pct

LFG
I was thinking of adding this to my trt also. You think if I ran it for 7 weeks at 30 to 40 mgs liver enzymes would be back in check for labs at the 12 week mark?
 
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I was thinking of adding this to my trt also. You think if I ran it for 7 weeks at 30 to 40 mgs liver enzymes would be back in check for labs at the 12 week mark?
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I was thinking of adding this to my trt also. You think if I ran it for 7 weeks at 30 to 40 mgs liver enzymes would be back in check for labs at the 12 week mark?
Not on TRT at all just going to use it as a base but 30-40 is lower on the dosage side for anavar but I guess it depends take some liver support maybe get your blood tested halfway through I know some people who had serious liver enzyme issues early on and had to stop but they were also drinkers so I think you’d be good.
 

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Diet: 50% protein 30% carb 20% fat slight caloric surplus mostly chicken rice eggs and quest chips.
My impression of that is your calories are too low... e.g. if you get 200g protein, that's 800 calories, or 1600 calories total. Esp if you're kickboxing on gear, you should prepare to eat a lot more carbs and fat to fuel activity and growth.
 
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My impression of that is your calories are too low... e.g. if you get 200g protein, that's 800 calories, or 1600 calories total. Esp if you're kickboxing on gear, you should prepare to eat a lot more carbs and fat to fuel activity and growth.
appreciate the feedback, my body responds horribly to carbs gets me really fluffy especially in my arms kills any definition and vascularity I’m at about 2200 calories give or take 100 but I might try upping the fats to get the extra cals and slightly increase carb intake
 

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appreciate the feedback, my body responds horribly to carbs gets me really fluffy especially in my arms kills any definition and vascularity I’m at about 2200 calories give or take 100 but I might try upping the fats to get the extra cals and slightly increase carb intake
I feel you.. I can't do many carbs in the morning for some reason, while other people go nuts.
 
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Hey bro,

either you’ve researched well or this isn’t your first cycle.....what have you run before?

I would definitely use the hcg on cycle to aid recovery. 250iu 2x per week (so 500iu per week total).

it’s a smart cycle for your goals. Lipids will take a bit of a hit but nothing severe off that dose, would probably go NAC on cycle but TUDCA is perfectly good and either would be more than enough.

would be a surprise if 250mg test only replaced natural test bro, for the vast majority that would have them well above range. That’s not a bad thing at all and it’s still a very moderate dose.

you shouldn’t have many sides (if any) off that layout.

id either wait 3 weeks to start pct or extend pct to 6 weeks as well though (I’d actually do both if I ever came off). Test e takes approx 5 weeks to clear so at the point your hpta can crank back up you’d only have a week left on your current plan. You want to give the clomid chance to work.

these are just tweaks though bro. This is a **** tonne better as a cycle plan than what lots of guys post up.
 
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Hey bro,

either you’ve researched well or this isn’t your first cycle.....what have you run before?

I would definitely use the hcg on cycle to aid recovery. 250iu 2x per week (so 500iu per week total).

it’s a smart cycle for your goals. Lipids will take a bit of a hit but nothing severe off that dose, would probably go NAC on cycle but TUDCA is perfectly good and either would be more than enough.

would be a surprise if 250mg test only replaced natural test bro, for the vast majority that would have them well above range. That’s not a bad thing at all and it’s still a very moderate dose.

you shouldn’t have many sides (if any) off that layout.

id either wait 3 weeks to start pct or extend pct to 6 weeks as well though (I’d actually do both if I ever came off). Test e takes approx 5 weeks to clear so at the point your hpta can crank back up you’d only have a week left on your current plan. You want to give the clomid chance to work.

these are just tweaks though bro. This is a **** tonne better as a cycle plan than what lots of guys post up.
appreciate the feedback, this is my first cycle of real anabolics I’ve ran a couple phs before but got sh** results I think it was DMZ and maybe halo. Honestly just did a lot of research, anything worth doing is worth overdoing no reason to waste a cycle and money due to poor planning.

Consulted a TRT doc and he thought based on my bloods 250 would only put me a few hundred points higher than where I’m at now

I think I’ll take your advice with the pct and hcg. I’ve been researching torem and it seems like it’s less intense but still works well restarting the walnuts on a weaker cycle. Any experience with it?
 
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Use the HCG on cycle, I like 250iu twice a week as well. Once the vial is mixed it will need refrigerated but will last months in there with negligible deterioration of quality. Just don’t leave it out once it’s been reconstituted.

If you go Toremifene that will be perfect - the only downside to it is that it costs a tad more but you avoid the Clomid sides and a little mild toxicity of Tamoxifen. Just splitting hairs here and they will all work fine. Whatever you use, I like 5-6 weeks of SERM for PCT.

You shouldn’t need really any support supplements on such a mild cycle (assuming there’s no issues with your bloodwork already prior). A cap of TUDCA and NAC daily aren’t bad ideas. I can’t imagine you will have any blood pressure concerns at your bodyweight and fitness goals. If you aren’t taking zinc, magnesium, d3 & k2 as staples already, you probably should be, but those are more looking at big picture athletic health.

Taking a cap of DIM daily (been really happy with the Nutricost 300mg ones) has let me cruise 150mg test/wk with no AI, and I am pretty estro sensitive, so if you are decently lean now that may be plenty. DIM is also great for prostate health, so it’s a very cheap natural supplement to consider on this cycle. One 120 cap bottle would last all of the cycle and PCT and help reduce or eliminate the amount of Aromasin you could need otherwise.

Cholesterol is gonna be affected probably no matter what you take. If you are comfortable using Cardarine, 10mg daily may keep lipids a tad better and will be a noticeable endurance boost if dosed before training sessions. A good diet and cardio is the best thing you can do for lipids though.
 
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Use the HCG on cycle, I like 250iu twice a week as well. Once the vial is mixed it will need refrigerated but will last months in there with negligible deterioration of quality. Just don’t leave it out once it’s been reconstituted.

If you go Toremifene that will be perfect - the only downside to it is that it costs a tad more but you avoid the Clomid sides and a little mild toxicity of Tamoxifen. Just splitting hairs here and they will all work fine. Whatever you use, I like 5-6 weeks of SERM for PCT.

You shouldn’t need really any support supplements on such a mild cycle (assuming there’s no issues with your bloodwork already prior). A cap of TUDCA and NAC daily aren’t bad ideas. I can’t imagine you will have any blood pressure concerns at your bodyweight and fitness goals. If you aren’t taking zinc, magnesium, d3 & k2 as staples already, you probably should be, but those are more looking at big picture athletic health.

Taking a cap of DIM daily (been really happy with the Nutricost 300mg ones) has let me cruise 150mg test/wk with no AI, and I am pretty estro sensitive, so if you are decently lean now that may be plenty. DIM is also great for prostate health, so it’s a very cheap natural supplement to consider on this cycle. One 120 cap bottle would last all of the cycle and PCT and help reduce or eliminate the amount of Aromasin you could need otherwise.

Cholesterol is gonna be affected probably no matter what you take. If you are comfortable using Cardarine, 10mg daily may keep lipids a tad better and will be a noticeable endurance boost if dosed before training sessions. A good diet and cardio is the best thing you can do for lipids though.
Definitely going to grab some hcg then. What about using it post cycle any benefits?

For PCT think I’m going to go for torem 6 weeks and have ralox on hand just in case.

Think I’m just going to take the support supps couldn’t hurt. Taking all of those but K2 will look into it.

Also might pick up some DIM looks pretty tried and true at this point and probably better for this cycle an AI seems a little overkill.

Hasn’t carderine been linked to cancer? Would rather try to lower naturally. Cardio is not an issue, training 5 days a week along with lifting 6.
 
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Definitely going to grab some hcg then. What about using it post cycle any benefits?

For PCT think I’m going to go for torem 6 weeks and have ralox on hand just in case.

Think I’m just going to take the support supps couldn’t hurt. Taking all of those but K2 will look into it.

Also might pick up some DIM looks pretty tried and true at this point and probably better for this cycle an AI seems a little overkill.

Hasn’t carderine been linked to cancer? Would rather try to lower naturally. Cardio is not an issue, training 5 days a week along with lifting 6.
you won’t need to use hcg post cycle bro, during pct you want your natural LH (and FSH) to be coming back up.

I’ve posted often about the supps I take but obviously agree with Hyde, for anyone involved in hard training, let alone anabolics is just sensible to cover the bases. K2 is specifically for those using aas.

The cardarine cancer link is exactly why Hyde will have said ‘if you’re comfortable using it’ - imo that always has to be an individual choice, me personally I’ve looked at the studies and don’t believe there is a risk there (in vitro has potential anti cancer effects shown 🤷) but no one knows for sure. Imo the beneficial effect on lipids makes it worth it but if you’re concerned leave it out for sure.

you should have a good time bro. Keep us updated on progress
 
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you won’t need to use hcg post cycle bro, during pct you want your natural LH (and FSH) to be coming back up.

I’ve posted often about the supps I take but obviously agree with Hyde, for anyone involved in hard training, let alone anabolics is just sensible to cover the bases. K2 is specifically for those using aas.

The cardarine cancer link is exactly why Hyde will have said ‘if you’re comfortable using it’ - imo that always has to be an individual choice, me personally I’ve looked at the studies and don’t believe there is a risk there (in vitro has potential anti cancer effects shown 🤷) but no one knows for sure. Imo the beneficial effect on lipids makes it worth it but if you’re concerned leave it out for sure.

you should have a good time bro. Keep us updated on progress
Got it. Yeah it looks like the studies are bs on carderine no ones taking doses for 100 weeks at a time Just watched a video on yt by Blackwell synergy breaking it down. Might consider it.
 
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you won’t need to use hcg post cycle bro, during pct you want your natural LH (and FSH) to be coming back up.

I’ve posted often about the supps I take but obviously agree with Hyde, for anyone involved in hard training, let alone anabolics is just sensible to cover the bases. K2 is specifically for those using aas.

The cardarine cancer link is exactly why Hyde will have said ‘if you’re comfortable using it’ - imo that always has to be an individual choice, me personally I’ve looked at the studies and don’t believe there is a risk there (in vitro has potential anti cancer effects shown 🤷) but no one knows for sure. Imo the beneficial effect on lipids makes it worth it but if you’re concerned leave it out for sure.

you should have a good time bro. Keep us updated on progress
^Agree with all of this.

Jarrow makes an affordable K2 product I believe. NOW Foods is what I use for a combined D3+K2. There are other brands that make combo ones but those are some of the cheapest reliable brands I know. Check out Life Extension pricing too, or just Google around. Ideally, 180mcg is the daily dose you want to help your body regulate calcium deposits in arteries so it doesn’t get excessive when on AAS and your lipids are bad for a while. If you will be coming off and on cycles routinely, just take it year round.
 

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Hasn’t carderine been linked to cancer?
My understanding is it is also a growth factor for capillary development. Basically the difference between a benign tumor and an aggressive one is how much blood flow it can recruit. So cardarine can make tumors more aggressive. This would also tie into why nature is reluctant to stimulate the PPAR-δ receptor despite it having so many benefits.
Still, it's hard to prove any human cancer cases connected to it, so it's possible that it's no big deal.
 

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Good call on the HCG. I’m on week 4 of 400mg test c and 50mg/day of var - libido has taken a bigger hit than I anticipated. I added the HCG back in last week to help get the drive back up. Everything else seems to be going fine, just going to grind through the next 4 weeks for the gains.
 
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Good call on the HCG. I’m on week 4 of 400mg test c and 50mg/day of var - libido has taken a bigger hit than I anticipated. I added the HCG back in last week to help get the drive back up. Everything else seems to be going fine, just going to grind through the next 4 weeks for the gains.
sounds like you might have an E2 or maybe a prolactin issue, maybe try an AI. 400mg might be a high dose of test for you seems like that’s when the sides like low libido start creeping in from 500mg and on.
 
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My understanding is it is also a growth factor for capillary development. Basically the difference between a benign tumor and an aggressive one is how much blood flow it can recruit. So cardarine can make tumors more aggressive. This would also tie into why nature is reluctant to stimulate the PPAR-δ receptor despite it having so many benefits.
Still, it's hard to prove any human cancer cases connected to it, so it's possible that it's no big deal.
Interesting I guess it’s all about risk/reward I just don’t know if I like being the guinea pig to test it.
 

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sounds like you might have an E2 or maybe a prolactin issue, maybe try an AI. 400mg might be a high dose of test for you seems like that’s when the sides like low libido start creeping in from 500mg and on.
Thanks, that’s some good feedback. I typically
take an AI on the normal TRT dose, but I was trying to get away without taking it while on the var. I was also crushing P5P for a few weeks leading up to this cycle because I got paranoid about a nipple (imaginary problem). I’ll start running ai again tonight and report back in a few days.
 
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Thanks, that’s some good feedback. I typically
take an AI on the normal TRT dose, but I was trying to get away without taking it while on the var. I was also crushing P5P for a few weeks leading up to this cycle because I got paranoid about a nipple (imaginary problem). I’ll start running ai again tonight and report back in a few days.
yeah let me know how it goes I’m trying to avoid the AI that’s why I’m dosing the test so low, I am very nervous about nips too, got very mild gyno from puberty and it’s bothered me ever since, it’s solidified and insurance won’t cover the surgery so now I’m looking at using AI and serm after this complete cycle to try and get rid of it
 

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yeah let me know how it goes I’m trying to avoid the AI that’s why I’m dosing the test so low, I am very nervous about nips too, got very mild gyno from puberty and it’s bothered me ever since, it’s solidified and insurance won’t cover the surgery so now I’m looking at using AI and serm after this complete cycle to try and get rid of it
It’s been a week since this post, and adding the AI back in is really helping my libido get back to sex addict levels.

I wasn’t experiencing my typical high e2 symptoms of soft boners and feeling overly emotional. Just had less sex drive and felt like the mind muscle connection from brain to balls was disrupted. So definitely learned something new here even though it should have been more obvious to me.
 

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