Anavar/Primo cycle

MrIncognito168

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Hello,

What I would like to do is set up a "clean gains" cycle, one that will be slow, consistent, and won't effect my natural test levels down the line. I have never used a steroid before, and am making gains slowly but surely natural, even after years...but I realize I am never going to be where I want to be without a little bit of assistance. My diet is good, I have a very solid foundation of muscle, and have been consistent for years. I am 5'5 and weigh 180 pounds with abs showing. I am not looking to put on 20 pounds in a month, or change myself into a massive monster overnight. I am 22 years old and love lifting weights...I want to do it until the day that I die. My biggest fear is that by using steroids, my own natural levels will be permanently decreased and I will become dependant on drugs for all future gains. I don't want this. Is there anyway I can set up a long term cycle(by long term I mean something somewhat permanent, not meaning that I do not cycle the drugs on and off) and not be naturally inhibited in the long term? If anyone could answer this for me in any more than the speculative I would be very appreciative. I HAVE done research, but I just don't see questions out there geared toward people wanting slow and safe results. All I want is a slow and consistent push to supplement my dedicated lifting and dietary routine.
Thanks in advance.
 
First things first. There is no, repeat no cycle of any kind that does not have some risk involved. It can be thought of as a risk vs. gains ratio. It usually works out that the greater the gains the greater the risk. Some things are better proportionally in terms of this, example would be that EQ is milder then test in the side affects but testosterone will produce better results overall in that you will have proportionally more gains vs. the side affects. In other words you have a better risk vs. gains ratio. But there is no such thing as risk free.

On that note all steroids regardless of how mild they are will suppress your natural system. If done correctly and in moderation almost everyone will recover fully. But that is “almost” and not everyone. That is a risk we take when we do this. And as a rule the longer you are on the longer you need to take off to recover, that is time on = time off.

Anavar is not a long term steroid option, it a methylated steroid that should not be ran for more then 8 weeks due to its liver toxicity.

For long term low side steroids you’re fairly limited in what there is but here are the common ones.

Methenolone enanthate is expensive and fairly week. It is however very low on side affects and tends to be one of the least suppressive steroids available. If you can afford it 600mg a week will give good slow gains.

Testosterone Decanoate bang for the buck this is it for long term. With a half life of 15 days it is a once a week shot. While test does have its sides most of them are dosage dependent. A low dose of around 300 to 400mg a week would not be that bad in side affects and would probably do more to get you were you want then these others. It’s also cheap.

Boldenolone Undecylenate is another option. This is good if you have any joint problems. Slow gains and low side affects. This is also a once a week shot. Running alone for long term at around 600mg would do what you want.

There are other steroids that might be closer to what you’re asking for but they are very hard to find primarily be cause most everyone goes the tried and true method of the bulk/cut cycles. They work and work well and the intelligent user will be able to deal with the side affects and be safe.

Of course the safest bet is to go visit the diet and training forums and make sure that you are doing yourself justice by going this route. You might be surprised at what you may find out.
 
Thank you for your reply, I found it very helpful. I assumed this would be the case, nothing worth having is ever free in this life, as they say. I have access to all of the anabolics you mentioned....and I DO have joint problems, so anyway would you look at this and tell me what you think?

Boldenolone Undecylenate 600 mg weeks 1-4

Growth Hormone Long term 6iu a day split up into 2 shots(upon rising and post workout)

and IGFLR3 weeks 4-8 to keep me stable between cycles 75mcg every day

And then start the process again.

I can get these things for decent prices. From what I have read GH benefits are best reaped long term and have synergistic effects with both steroids and IGF..so If I cycle one and then the other(steroids and then the IGF) will this not give me the effect I am after, slow continuous gains and better recovery time? Basically a relatively safe and gradual "push?"

Thanks again
 
MrIncognito168 said:
Thank you for your reply, I found it very helpful. I assumed this would be the case, nothing worth having is ever free in this life, as they say. I have access to all of the anabolics you mentioned....and I DO have joint problems, so anyway would you look at this and tell me what you think?

Boldenolone Undecylenate 600 mg weeks 1-4

Growth Hormone Long term 6iu a day split up into 2 shots(upon rising and post workout)

and IGFLR3 weeks 4-8 to keep me stable between cycles 75mcg every day

And then start the process again.

I can get these things for decent prices. From what I have read GH benefits are best reaped long term and have synergistic effects with both steroids and IGF..so If I cycle one and then the other(steroids and then the IGF) will this not give me the effect I am after, slow continuous gains and better recovery time? Basically a relatively safe and gradual "push?"

Thanks again
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you need to do more research. Alot more bro.

Boldenolone Undecylenate or any of the long esters need to be ran for 16 weeks not 4, that is a short cycle not a long term one,

That is a lot of GH considering your 22, you need to read up on that some more.

do you intent to try and run the GH with the IGF togather at those levels?
 
Good to know about the cycle length..by long term use I meant using the drugs for years for slow and consistant, relatively healthy gains, not the individual cycle lengths, per se. But you are right, I was just making an assumption about the cycle length and need to do more research. I just figured the shorter the cycle the easier it would be for the body to bounce back, but I really don't know the first thing about it. Would Methenolone enanthate be a better choice if I wanted to run shorter cycles? As far as the GH, that was a misprint.....I had intended to start with half that...3iu a day split up as I posted earlier. And yes, I had intended to run the IGF with the GH 4 weeks on 4 off, (GH long term and IGF cycled)and assumed this might help me with the down time between cycles of the steroid. Anabolism triggered on a different hormonal level while the receptors cleared/natural test levels were restored. Yeah...I am asking a lot of questions here so if you would rather just point me in the direction of some good reference material I would appreciate that, don't need to try and tackle my cycle if you don't care to. Either way, I do need to do a lot more research before I do any form of diving in, no doubt about that.

Thanks again...even though I am still filled with questions, you have been very helpful.
 
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