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power36

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I have been training for over 20 years, hard. Former competitive lifter, MMA, collegiate FB, etc. So I am no newbie to training. However, I am new to AS. Have numerous old injuries that have caught up with me, as well surgeries for soft tissue injuries that have slowed me down. Infections post surgery that killed my immune system, and lowered my hormones at last check. Doctor didnt want to to TRT because thinks mine will bounce back in a year or so as my body heals...waiting around a year to get my test back up is not an option...my BF has climbed through the roof despite lower caloric intake, think my insulin sensitivity is screwy...

Thinking of 12 weeks of primobolan and anavar, both supposedly help with collagen repair, arent hard on the balls, and not hard with sides. I was thinking maybe 500mg weekly primo, 50mg/day with the anavar. Follow up with a few weeks Nolvadex just to be sure although many on forums seem to think no PCT is needed with these two.

Also was thinking of 2 on 2 off clen during the cycle. Any thoughts on this stack, or the addition of clen?

Due to the rehabbing of numerous injuries, I will not be hitting the weights hard core...Ill be doing tons of prehab, rehab, light cardio, and lifting but more as isolation movements and not my typical powerlifting and olympic lifting movements at gorilla weights. I want to drop serious weight until I know my body is ready to hit it hard again, then worry about getting big again.
 
personally, for your soft tissue injuries and such, look into EQ or Deca. stack that with some test for a first cycle and you'd be good to go.
 
Since Im trying to drop weight, had read some stuff on Deca being used more for size, as well having some shut down....since my natural T is already low, and I may be getting TRT soon, thought anavar and primo would be better choices due to less sides. Also anavar, primo, and deca all having some sort of role in assisting collagen repair, figured anavar and primo would be good stack...did think about throwing deca in there too with them for say a month of the stack and running the other two for longer....and clen for short periods on and off....

Still looking for a source, so shall see what I can even get my hands on, and what it will cost. Wanted more feedback before I pursued it more.
 
I know anavar is run for a long time but I wouldn't do 12 weeks on it, it's still a methylated steroid and it does mess up lipids; after 3 months it'll probably make your HDL ugly.

Primo is great... yeah like bigpapa said, you're probably better off using another long ester injectable with it... Primo/EQ stack is probably pretty awesome. You could probably do it without test because i don't think those compounds tend to kill libido but i'm not sure, you might want to do low dose test with it to be safe.

By the way, you chose a pretty damn expensive cycle for a first timer!

About the clen, only problem i have with it is headaches, so watch out for those if your bloodpressure gets up there
 
Primo/Var will shut you down.

500/50 is a good starting point.

Since primo is a DHT AAS, most people don't notice much of a loss of libido... Although some do. It's highly dependent from person to person.

It wouldn't hurt to throw in 150-200mg test in there per week.

12 weeks can be alot for some people on var. It can hit your lipids hard. If you are going to run for 12 weeks, I recommend lipid support of some sort. And get your lipids tested as well, to be safe.

Since your natural T is already low, I would definitely say to add in a low dose test. Add in some unleashed too. Unleashed with primo will lower SHBG and most definitely make you get the most out of even the low dose test... much more free test in the long run.
 
Gosh, thank you very much. I cant express how much getting this help is.

Yes, expensive for the first stack, but after going through HELL of health issues caused by doctors mistakes for a few years, destroying my career, my health, and my body, I am at wits end to try to get back some normalcy without risking screwing myself up even more.

Ignorant question I guess, but I thought Id read alot about EQ not being something to run the first time around?

I am getting full blood work panels before I start anything, that is coming up soon. Just hope to be able to find the gear in time to start right after my bloodwork.

So would you all suggest a shorter cycle, 8-10 weeks of primo/var? And if I get test from a doc Im sure it will be in the 100mg-200mg anyways for TRT.

I am unfamiliar with "Unleashed" but will do a search on it now.

Thanks a bunch guys, truly appreciate the dialog.
 
ur best bet would be to run primo for as long as u can afford it. if u really really really want the best out of it, i would suggest primo and EQ for 16 weeks and var for 6-8 weeks. now will u NEED test as a base?...no one knows and u wont know until u try it.

primo and eq are very mild compounds and i am in no way going to discourage their use just because its ur first cycle
 
real schering primo at 400mg/week for at least 12 weeks will give you great results. I would run the var for the first 6 weeks, and i would also run low dose test throughout the cycle.

I Just got done running primo last month and that stuff is amazing at leaning you out and maintaining muscle. I ran it with transdermal test and also started out with 50mg anavar for 6 weeks. i did not cardio and lost about 4% bf easily with a fairly clean diet.
 
Generally so I know if Im getting BSed when I am trying to make contacts right now...what is the typical street cost of Anavar, Primo, Clen, Nolvadex, and Equipoise?
 
i don't think we're allowed to talk specific prices here. Var and primo are both expensive, maybe like 2x the cost of other AAS, clen and nolva are very cheap, EQ is normal price for AAS, only reason it ends up being more expensive is because it usually needs 600mg ew and 12 weeks minimum.

Really there is no typical street price, price is dictated by the source, if its HG or UG, how much volume you're getting etc. etc.

Amps of HG are going to cost a lot more than bulk stealth UG gear for instance
 
what side effects are you particularly worried about.

Anavar will impact your lipids, BP, and liver. How much is highly dependent on the person.

Primo can affect hairline, prostate, BP in some people.

I think it's only marginally "less side effect" than test only.

Anavar kills my appetite and makes me lethargic.. thus I don't use it anymore.
 
I know your trying to cut and have minimal shutdown but something that has always worked well for me is test e, winstrol, and clen. If you can tolerate the back pumps it is a great stack and my favorite cutter, though last time i ran it i used ECA instead of clen and had about the same results with dehydrating and back pump issues i had with clen. Search the test/winstrol stack in the forums a lot of people have used it at multiple dosages... find someone around your size and weight and try to use the cycle as a base for yours if you try it.
 
sonicwaste said:
I prefer winstrol over both primo and anavar. Test/Winny or Test/Tren/Winny are among my favorites.
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I am definitely with you man... though Tren gives me gyno... progesterone's and I don't mix... I do like Anavar but winny gives better results imo, if he could get Stanozol AX version works well at double the dosage (150mg)... if your going to try it do a pyramid with test e or 4 weeks at normal dosage with test prop imo... both are excellent, test prop goes give me a little bloat but nothing horrible that doesnt go away within 4-10 days during pct
 
MGH1982 said:
I am definitely with you man... though Tren gives me gyno... progesterone's and I don't mix... I do like Anavar but winny gives better results imo, if he could get Stanozol AX version works well at double the dosage (150mg)... if your going to try it do a pyramid with test e or 4 weeks at normal dosage with test prop imo... both are excellent, test prop goes give me a little bloat but nothing horrible that doesnt go away within 4-10 days during pct
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Tren gives me gyno too. But it is my #1 favorite AAS.

That's why the AAS gods have sent down to earth pramipexole to help us mortals with prolactin sides... including prolac gyno!!! The prami has kept my existing gyno at bay, and has shrunken it to almost nothing.
 
sonicwaste said:
Tren gives me gyno too. But it is my #1 favorite AAS.

That's why the AAS gods have sent down to earth pramipexole to help us mortals with prolactin sides... including prolac gyno!!! The prami has kept my existing gyno at bay, and has shrunken it to almost nothing.
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Nice never tried that, used caberglobin (sp?) never worked for me though
 
MGH1982 said:
Nice never tried that, used caberglobin (sp?) never worked for me though
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Prami is much better than caber. Like I said, not only did it stop gyno from getting bigger, it shrunk the size big time. It kicks in overnight. Then gets better as time goes on.

It also gives me crazy weird lucid dreams. Very very bizarre.
 
sonicwaste said:
Prami is much better than caber. Like I said, not only did it stop gyno from getting bigger, it shrunk the size big time. It kicks in overnight. Then gets better as time goes on.

It also gives me crazy weird lucid dreams. Very very bizarre.
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I may give that a try next cycle... sorry to jack the thread...
 
Any thoughts on Winny and soft tissue injuries, or is it urban legend? I will try to dig it up later today, but found some forums and articles on other sites that say Winny somehow can make soft tissue brittle or something to that effect...while the primo, anavar, and deca help with collagen repair in some manner...

Seeing Ive torn a ridiculous amount of muscles and tendons in my athletic career (even recently), I thought it would be safe to avoid winny...at first it was on my list though, was looking into primo, winny, and anavar...wasnt even going to consider the clen...but at this point am considering clen, and will still consider winny if there is enough feedback that it is good.

forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-754536.html
 
winstrol gives some people really dry joints, idk if you want to risk it

pramipexole ... It sounds like the cure. I have problems with progestins/prolactin gyno myself... Sonicwaste, is pramipexole available as a research chem or thru AAS sources? I haven't seen it.
 
UnrealMachine said:
winstrol gives some people really dry joints, idk if you want to risk it

pramipexole ... It sounds like the cure. I have problems with progestins/prolactin gyno myself... Sonicwaste, is pramipexole available as a research chem or thru AAS sources? I haven't seen it.
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PM coming ur way
 
UnrealMachine said:
winstrol gives some people really dry joints, idk if you want to risk it

pramipexole ... It sounds like the cure. I have problems with progestins/prolactin gyno myself... Sonicwaste, is pramipexole available as a research chem or thru AAS sources? I haven't seen it.
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True unreal, but when I use it with Test, as i usually do with cycle, i dont get the drying joint effect.. probably because of the estrogen conversion.

And yeah winstrol isn't know for helping soft tissue injuries... so if that is the problem you are having I would run a Test Prop/Anavar cycle... Start test Prop 2 week prior to a 6 week anavar cycle..


edit* test e imo should be run for 10-12 weeks, so meant to put test prop
this is how i would cycle it: I personally love to jump start a cycle with test first
week 1 - test prop 100mg eod
week 2 - test prop 100mg eod
week 3 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 4 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 5 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 6 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 7 - test prop 100mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 8 - test prop 100mg eod/50mg Anavar ed

PCT
Tormifene 120/90/90/60/60/60/30/30
Milk thistle
A cortisol Blocker

on cycle i would definately have Letro on hand also

this is just off the top of my head without the research i would use before actually putting together a cycle
 
UnrealMachine said:
winstrol gives some people really dry joints, idk if you want to risk it

pramipexole ... It sounds like the cure. I have problems with progestins/prolactin gyno myself... Sonicwaste, is pramipexole available as a research chem or thru AAS sources? I haven't seen it.
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It's available through research sites, and legit online pharmacies. I've never seen a source carry it. I only recently found out about it. I am pretty sure it's a relatively new drug.
 
Yes, I have a phonebook thick medical record of severe sports injuries...almost all soft tissue (muscle and tendon tears and detachments), along with the usual broken bones, fractures, and dislocations.

What is a cortisol blocker? That is new to me, however my cortisol levels are high. Never heard of Tormifene either, thought Nolvadex was the anti estrogen of choice?





And yeah winstrol isn't know for helping soft tissue injuries... so if that is the problem you are having I would run a Test Prop/Anavar cycle... Start test Prop 2 week prior to a 6 week anavar cycle..


edit* test e imo should be run for 10-12 weeks, so meant to put test prop
this is how i would cycle it: I personally love to jump start a cycle with test first
week 1 - test prop 100mg eod
week 2 - test prop 100mg eod
week 3 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 4 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 5 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 6 - test prop 150mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 7 - test prop 100mg eod/50mg Anavar ed
week 8 - test prop 100mg eod/50mg Anavar ed

PCT
Tormifene 120/90/90/60/60/60/30/30
Milk thistle
A cortisol Blocker
 
power36 said:
Yes, I have a phonebook thick medical record of severe sports injuries...almost all soft tissue (muscle and tendon tears and detachments), along with the usual broken bones, fractures, and dislocations.

What is a cortisol blocker? That is new to me, however my cortisol levels are high. Never heard of Tormifene either, thought Nolvadex was the anti estrogen of choice?
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well not necessarily a cortisol blocker but a cortisol reducer is something like ReduceXT by s.n.s, Lean Xtreme by anabolic xtreme, X-Lean by ibe, they all have cortisol reducing abilities to help keep muscle gains after a cycle. Wet compounds like d-bol you always lose weight and muscle gains from water storage and estrogen, once off. Reduce in cortisol can also help weight lose.

Toremifene is another anti-estrogen that Dr D brought attention to on this board a couple years ago. And it really does kick your boys back fast.

here is a link about toremifene from webmd hope it helps:
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if you want minimal shutdown then run 250iu of HCG 2x per week. That's what I did and i am still doing right now I'm just cruising on a low dose of test before i come off i expect a speedy recovery even though i've been on for a while. I used moderate doses with everything though and got the exact results i was looking for. I had no side effects that could be monitored. The only thing i don't know if it is in check or not is my cholesterol. MY blood pressure was perfect, balls hanging low and big, no acne but i did take accutane 3 x per week at 20mg each dose mon, wed, fri. Clomid will be PCT along with Diesel test pro cycle.
 
joeymutz said:
if you want minimal shutdown then run 250iu of HCG 2x per week. That's what I did and i am still doing right now I'm just cruising on a low dose of test before i come off i expect a speedy recovery even though i've been on for a while. I used moderate doses with everything though and got the exact results i was looking for. I had no side effects that could be monitored. The only thing i don't know if it is in check or not is my cholesterol. MY blood pressure was perfect, balls hanging low and big, no acne but i did take accutane 3 x per week at 20mg each dose mon, wed, fri. Clomid will be PCT along with Diesel test pro cycle.
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Clomid, yuck... haha

I believe one should always run HCG no matter the length of the cycle. It really does help with recovery in post cycle. It does nothing for keeping you not shutdown. HCG in itself will shut you down. HCG mimics LH and tells the body that you haven't stopped making LH. This in turn keeps the testes at size. And further in turn, LH is an important factor in HPTA recovery.
 
Deca, winny, and anavar seem to be what might be possible to obtain, and Nolvadex. Dont know about the primo yet...

If Deca is known to lubricate joints and make things feel better, winny is known to potentially do the opposite, does anyone have feedback on combining the two in a cycle?? And anavar thrown in the mix? In a fantasy world if someone got their hands on all 3, what would be advisable ways to stack them? Deca first by itself since its longer acting, then follow up with the orals, then PCT? How long and what ranges of dosages?

As for Nolvadex, Ive heard two different sides...take it during the cycle, or take it only after the cycle for 3-4 weeks...and HCG during cycle if you have it.
 
power36 said:
Deca, winny, and anavar seem to be what might be possible to obtain, and Nolvadex. Dont know about the primo yet...

If Deca is known to lubricate joints and make things feel better, winny is known to potentially do the opposite, does anyone have feedback on combining the two in a cycle?? And anavar thrown in the mix? In a fantasy world if someone got their hands on all 3, what would be advisable ways to stack them? Deca first by itself since its longer acting, then follow up with the orals, then PCT? How long and what ranges of dosages?

As for Nolvadex, Ive heard two different sides...take it during the cycle, or take it only after the cycle for 3-4 weeks...and HCG during cycle if you have it.
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unless u have no use for ur d!ck, i would NOT run deca (especially deca) without some test in there.

steroids u can get away with without using TEST IMO:

EQ
Primo
Var
Winstrol
Mast
Tren (some FEW lucky ones will not lose libido or **** function, but do u reallllllllly want to test it?)
 
Primo, Deca, Winny, Anavar, and Nolvadex is the word...I can go without my pecker for a few months if it helps heal up a bunch of other injuries....is it at high dosages only with the deca??

Deca, Primo, Winny, is there a way to work that combo so the sides are minimal? Someone said not to worry about stacking anavar and winny since they kinda do the same thing, and just go with winny since its much cheaper. Deca for the injuries and joint pain, Primo and Winny for light gains and recovery without bulking or bloating?
 
sonicwaste said:
Clomid, yuck... haha

I believe one should always run HCG no matter the length of the cycle. It really does help with recovery in post cycle. It does nothing for keeping you not shutdown. HCG in itself will shut you down. HCG mimics LH and tells the body that you haven't stopped making LH. This in turn keeps the testes at size. And further in turn, LH is an important factor in HPTA recovery.
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yes your LH shuts down but your body still produces natural test. Clomid is so far proven to be the fastest at restoring your LH levels. Toremefiene may be better but not enough studies out there. what do you use nolvadex? I would use clomid any day over nolva, loose your libido and toxic to the liver after running orals no thanks.
 
I meant from all the reading I did, when I went to try to find stuff, I didnt ask about Clomid...only Nolvadex...there was some older stuff I was reading and thought I would need both...but then one half dozen here or the other say Nolvadex onnly...then on this forum, there are PCT compounds Ive never even heard of.
 
How much test would I need to run with Deca? Is there anything else I could run with it, like Haladrol 50 or something?

If combining Deca and Primo, what would be some ideas on dosing, keep primo in the 400-500mg, and add in ??? Deca....then either anavar or winny tabs. Hoping for anavar as far as the collagen synthesis...althoug it doesnt seem its common to combine deca, primo, and anavar as a cycle.
 
my advise

power36 said:
Deca, winny, and anavar seem to be what might be possible to obtain, and Nolvadex. Dont know about the primo yet...

If Deca is known to lubricate joints and make things feel better, winny is known to potentially do the opposite, does anyone have feedback on combining the two in a cycle?? And anavar thrown in the mix? In a fantasy world if someone got their hands on all 3, what would be advisable ways to stack them? Deca first by itself since its longer acting, then follow up with the orals, then PCT? How long and what ranges of dosages?

As for Nolvadex, Ive heard two different sides...take it during the cycle, or take it only after the cycle for 3-4 weeks...and HCG during cycle if you have it.
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if your training is limited and finances are ok primo is great approx 15-20$ per 1ml amp, var is also costly and if you get real can be 200-400$ per 100tabs @ 10mg so you may want to go w/ a test prop, masteron and try that out for a first run, the only problem if your a noobie to pins is you need to inject ed-e3d min w/ prop and masteron? and all is available you just need to be carefull who you buy from these days. as for nolva being you never tried AAS well get some i personaly prefer adex but wichever you choose have it on hand and if you get water retention or signes of gyno work it in if not toss in the nolva PCT and dont forget your HCG and clomid (HCG is not manditory but doesnt hurt PC crash!
do more reasearch bro get anabolics 2009 its the bible!
 
Im getting confused....is one supposed to do BOTH Nolvadex and Clomid in PCT??

Depending on how somethings work out, I might get 100mg test per week TRT and HCG 3 times week....then the primo, deca, anavar, would be on top of that....thats crossing my fingers...
 
Nah, if you run deca, run test at a higher dose. That's the general rule for deca (and for tren as well). If you are running Xmg of deca, you want to run something like (X+200)mg of test
 
joeymutz said:
yes your LH shuts down but your body still produces natural test. Clomid is so far proven to be the fastest at restoring your LH levels. Toremefiene may be better but not enough studies out there. what do you use nolvadex? I would use clomid any day over nolva, loose your libido and toxic to the liver after running orals no thanks.
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Not true on the HCG bro.

hcg does not keep you producing endogenous test in the presence of exogenous test...nothing can keep your endo testosterone going in the presence of exo testosterone or other AAS. It does however mimic LH and keeps the body thinking it is producing LH, thus keeping your testicles from atrophying.

There is a lot of conflicting evidence/studies regarding both clomid and nolvadex. Through my own eyes, I've seen Clomid and Nolvadex aid in the resotoration of LH, and I've seen it have no effect. Sides from Clomid and Nolvadex aren't nice to me. I've tried Clomid once for PCT, Nolva once for PCT, didn't like the side effects from either.
 
Power, you can run either clomid and/or nolva in your pct. Some people favor one over the other, some favor the both together over just nolva and clomid alone. You could also look into the formex pills. Im running nolva formex fish oil caps mens vitamen and prob sizeon in my PCT. Which starts tommorow woohoo!
 
power36 said:
so what do you use for PCT then?
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I am on TRT now, so now regular PCT because I'm technically never off... However prior to being on TRT:

HCG 500iu per week throughout cycle

PCT Week 1-4: Sustain Alpha, Exesmetane, Forged Post Cycle, PF Post Cycle, Unleashed

PCT Week 2-8: Sustain Alpha, lower dose of exesmetane, Forged Post cycle, Unleashed

Sometimes I would trade out exesmetane for anastrozole. And it's also good to have an anti-cortisol product in there.

That's just me, some people like Nolvadex and Clomid and don't care about the sides... I see a lot of people in so may different forums complaining about sexual side effects, emotional side effects, psychological side effects, loss of gains, and a general feeling of **** during PCT. These are people that are using clomid or nolva or both... They wonder why things aren't working out, but won't every try something new.

I am not trying to steer anyone in a particular direction. If clomid/nolva works for you, that's great... you are lucky and stick with it... But for all the other people that clomid/nolva doesn't work or you can't handle the sides... there are definitely other options out there.

And as always, in my opinion the first step to a speedy recovery is using HCG or HMG throughout the cycle.
 
power36 said:
so what do you use for PCT then?
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as you can see power there a million different ways to go trust me when i say as anyone who has really cycled AAS not this proho stuff bro, why try and fix what you have not even tried first off nolva is an anti estro ok thats it, its not the strongest adex is so why go to the stronger of the two if you dont even know if you will need it i know a bunch of bros who dont ever need nolva or anti estros (i hate them...lol) but remember it also can hinder some of your gains as well (do your research) but thats why you keep some on hand just in case, now as for clomid bro, it is also a type of anti estro but works more to block estro and helps your body reproduce your natty test level and will also help block cortisol from making you catabolic which is also called post cycle crash, now HCG ran prior to both nlva and clomid will greatly reduce post cycle crash and help to drop ur testis and kickstart your natty production as well. there are alot of experimenting going on w/ HCG these days i now alot and i mean like alot of bros cruzing through there entire cycle w/ HCG like 200iu eod -e3d it also melts your fat and helps harden you up as well, remember its a banned substance so you know its performace enhancing!
just my 2cc bro but this is all from true experience not just stolen info from other boards or read out of a book seems to me you really need to do more reacearch my friend cause your all over the place?
 
If your body thinks its producing its own test then it is. Sometimes people need an AI even on a low dose of test if they add in more than 500iu 2x per week because the test converts to estrogen. SO therefore while running HCG you do get a false LH signal to your testes but that false signal is still keeping your body producing test. Do some more research i don't debate about things that I'm not 100% sure about. Look for studies of males just taking HCG and you will see they have a higher test level.
 
Anyone ever hear of "Re-Active Laboratories Deca 300"? 300mg.ml 10ml, yellow label
QV Primobolan 100mg 10ml
 
power36 said:
Anyone ever hear of "Re-Active Laboratories Deca 300"? 300mg.ml 10ml, yellow label
QV Primobolan 100mg 10ml
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Primo is highly faked 90% is fake out there or extremely underdosed. QV is a good lab but its not human grade. I would only stick with human grade anabolics as you know what you are getting is 100%. That's why you see people running such high doses of gear if they use human grade gear they wouldn't need 1gram of test per week.

Schering is the best primo out there. If you find the right place you can get it in bulk which would last one cycle and u get 50 amps. All you need is 400mg/week so 4 amps per week. Run 250mg of some human grade test with that and your good to go. I just set up a cycle for my friends father it looks like this:

14weeks primo
14weeks test E
HCG 250iu 2x per week
clomid 50,50, 25,25

No AI should be needed but there is some around if need be. Simple yet highly effective cycle for a nice recomp and keep able gains. PCT will be a breeze since he's using HCG throughout the entire cycle.
 
Nice, thanks. Finding the Primo you are talking about would be nice. Looks like a solid plan and would work well for me too I bet.
 
you can add in Decca at a low dose(150-200mg) for joint issues but primo is known to have collagen synthesis as well as anavar. Both are quite expensive. Anavar in liquid isn't expensive at all though.
 
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