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Anavar only (yes another one)

playaaa

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Hello, I'm myself a first time cycler and chose to run Anavar. Basically because I want to avoid the sides as much as possible and get slow steady gains that I can keep.

I got bloodwork done pre-cycle which shows that everything is fine except a high amount of creatinine. (doh, **** happens when you eat protein like a beast)
Personally I'm running a 40mg ED dose with 1 dose in the morning and one in the evening.
I'm using Udos choice oil, Flax oil(in pill-form), and basically the standard multivitamin and omega 3 addition.

I'm only on my day 3, however I can see my veins popping more and more. Slight sides that has been showing is that I got somewhat of a pressure in my head when I was going up a mountain, but I don't know if that's from the bloodpressure or just going up the mountain. :-)
My mate who's running the same dosage said he felt exactly the same.
Also some slight nausea at evenings, nothing uncomfortable.

Now, my question is twofold.
Would you recommend any other supplements to protect liver / body from additional sides?
I'm 23 years old and cholesterol levels don't bother me, but I'm quite afraid of my heart and the high blood pressure Anavar can give could make me go easy on cardio/workout - which I shouldn't do.

Also, foolishly we didnt plan enough pct. I mean we have easily available all we need for a proper pct, but both our source and the research we did on forehand (6 months) basically told us that such a easy cycle would require no pct. I see now that we should atleast have some clomid or something ready? Could you reccomend a decent pct for a 6 week 40mg ed Anavar cycle?

The reason I'm asking is that for additional supplements to protect the body there seems to be so many suggestions it's kinda hard to pick out the ones you think will work best. I've picked out flax oil and omega 3-6-9 for general health.

Same with pct, alot of people say no pct. Then again most people say, yes, you should do pct regardless if you feel shrinkage or being shut down etc.
And I chose to agree with the pro-pct side. However, I think a very light one is good to go? Any suggestions as stated above?

These are questions that should have been answered before starting the cycle, however light the cycle may seem to you hard-users out there. But I thought they were, just the more and more research I did made me feel unsecure. Thus making a thread myself!

Thanks, and kudos on a great site!
 
mark118 said:
why wouldnt you do a pct?
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Sigh, I was waiting on a comment like this that answers nothing that I've asked for.

Basically, the info I gained before starting the cycle was that var didn't shut you down thus not needing a PCT.
Can you not understand that when multiple people that has been using AAS for years tells you something, you kinda believe them. Especially when you've never used yourself.

Then I continued researching on my own, and read up alot more on pct and found out I should do it.

Compare it to sitting in class and being told by your teacher something is this and that way, then starting in a job regarding that subject, finding out it really wasnt.
 
IMO, unless you have bloods done, whether you feel normal or not, you wont know if you've been suppressed/shutdown. too often people report back saying that you dont need a pct because they felt fine.

but id definitely rate a solo anavar cycle.
 
Hey Mark118 what'd the doc say about the high levels of creatine in your system? Did he say that it was damaging at all?
 
Oldnsweaty said:
Hey Mark118 what'd the doc say about the high levels of creatine in your system? Did he say that it was damaging at all?
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If you ment me, the doc say that it's most likely from the high protein intake, but he sent me for a checkup with ultrasound. Everything was fine and hasn't heard anything since.

Anyone have a specific suggestion for a pct for the Anavar 40mg ED 6 wk?
Thanks! :)
 
mark118 said:
IMO, unless you have bloods done, whether you feel normal or not, you wont know if you've been suppressed/shutdown. too often people report back saying that you dont need a pct because they felt fine.

but id definitely rate a solo anavar cycle.
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What do you mean by rate a solo anavar cycle, sorry English isn't my first language.
 
playaaa said:
Sigh, I was waiting on a comment like this that answers nothing that I've asked for.


Can you not understand that when multiple people that has been using AAS for years tells you something, you kinda believe them. Especially when you've never used yourself.

Then I continued researching on my own, and read up alot more on pct and found out I should do it.
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There is your problem. You decided to take an anabolic steroid based on someone else's advice....who I am guessing isn't a doctor.

Why would you put anything in your body you didn't fully research?

I could lecture for hours, but I'll throw this out there

Torem. TRS. Check into them both. Get them both and you should be totally fine. You won't know without bloods though.
 
Either get torem, clomid or nolva. TRS will be good also. I've seen alot of people run a serm of choice and add DAA and love it. Many options
 
bikeswimlive said:
There is your problem. You decided to take an anabolic steroid based on someone else's advice....who I am guessing isn't a doctor.

Why would you put anything in your body you didn't fully research?

I could lecture for hours, but I'll throw this out there

Torem. TRS. Check into them both. Get them both and you should be totally fine. You won't know without bloods though.
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Well when you research something you read or listen to someone with more experience telling you something, dont you? Just as I am with you now ;)
MORE research was needed, I agree.

Thanks for the tips, I'll check them out!
 
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YOU always need a PCT. If you thought you could get by without one you CLEARLY did not do enough reserch/reading. Any type of anabolic would require you to do one if you plan on hold any of the gains.
 
gymrat827 said:
YOU always need a PCT. If you thought you could get by without one you CLEARLY did not do enough reserch/reading. Any type of anabolic would require you to do one if you plan on hold any of the gains.
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Yes, as stated atleast 3 times before in this thread. Thanks for piling on though.
 
"You could chance it and try to bounce back without a PCT, but I feel that this is a bad idea. With that said, I'd run the TRS for PCT and you don't even need a SERM (or the Formestane). I'd avoid aromatase inhibitors like Formestane in your case b/c they tend to decrease bone mineral density due to their suppressive effects on estrogen; androgens and estrogens kind of work in harmony to maintain and promote healthy BMD-something it sounds like you need. Some vitamin D and dietary calcium would be a decent addition too (like 1000IU vit D a day with a cup of yogurt or milk). Most of the PH/DS out there right now are much more suppressive than Anavar, and for those, I'd add a SERM to the TRS. But for 6 weeks of Anavar, the TRS should have you set. Using AIs during PCT is tricky and personally, I am not a fan."

Found this too, seems like TRS will be my choice. Anyone have any experience with it? Any sides?
 
playaaa said:
Now, my question is twofold.
Would you recommend any other supplements to protect liver / body from additional sides?
I'm 23 years old and cholesterol levels don't bother me, but I'm quite afraid of my heart and the high blood pressure Anavar can give could make me go easy on cardio/workout - which I shouldn't do.
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Cholesterol doesn't bother you but you are afraid of your heart? You understand that low HDL causes hardening of arteries raising chances of a heart attack.

An all in one product like Cycle Support is nice, but minimally some niacin and COQ10/idebenone. and then if you add hawthorn berry to help with blood pressure issues, and milk thistle for liver, you may as well have just gotten cycle support.
 
EasyEJL said:
Cholesterol doesn't bother you but you are afraid of your heart? You understand that low HDL causes hardening of arteries raising chances of a heart attack.

An all in one product like Cycle Support is nice, but minimally some niacin and COQ10/idebenone. and then if you add hawthorn berry to help with blood pressure issues, and milk thistle for liver, you may as well have just gotten cycle support.
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I do, but lower HDL over a short time is not as worrying for me, compare this to people at my age eating McDonalds every day.

Alright, thanks. Problem is as stated before I don't live in the states so we don't have all the products like Cycle Support easily available. Nor are they legal. Stupid rules, I know.
However I can buy single items like milk thistle, hawthorn berry etc. Thanks for the tip.
 
playaaa said:
I do, but lower HDL over a short time is not as worrying for me, compare this to people at my age eating McDonalds every day.

Alright, thanks. Problem is as stated before I don't live in the states so we don't have all the products like Cycle Support easily available. Nor are they legal. Stupid rules, I know.
However I can buy single items like milk thistle, hawthorn berry etc. Thanks for the tip.
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Lower HDL over a short time should be more worrying to you than liver damage or slightly elevated blood pressure, as what artery hardening happens doesn't reverse itself after the cycle is done.
 
A all in one cycle support product like N2GARUD would really help with your hear, liver, high BP, etc. Theres also other supps to help keep your cholesterol levels in check, just search.

Liver52 is great to take along side the all in one cycle supports (N2GAURD, Life support, Cycle assist) because theres no milk thistle in it. All the cycle support's just mostly have milk thistle for the liver and theres no point in taking over 2g's it a day. So thats why i like liver52 so much, it keeps you protected very well.

Hawthorn berry is in the all in one's too but you can take extra to hold down the blood pressure.
 
EasyEJL said:
Lower HDL over a short time should be more worrying to you than liver damage or slightly elevated blood pressure, as what artery hardening happens doesn't reverse itself after the cycle is done.
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Neither does liver damage afaik? And ofcourse I'm not taking lightly on lower HDL, I just don't feel that 6 weeks of 40mg anavar will give me the arteries of a guy at 30-40 who hasn't worked out a day in his life.
Maybe I'm wrong?
 
gymrat827 said:
A all in one cycle support product like N2GARUD would really help with your hear, liver, high BP, etc. Theres also other supps to help keep your cholesterol levels in check, just search.

Liver52 is great to take along side the all in one cycle supports (N2GAURD, Life support, Cycle assist) because theres no milk thistle in it. All the cycle support's just mostly have milk thistle for the liver and theres no point in taking over 2g's it a day. So thats why i like liver52 so much, it keeps you protected very well.

Hawthorn berry is in the all in one's too but you can take extra to hold down the blood pressure.
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Thanks, very informative!
 
playaaa said:
Neither does liver damage afaik? And ofcourse I'm not taking lightly on lower HDL, I just don't feel that 6 weeks of 40mg anavar will give me the arteries of a guy at 30-40 who hasn't worked out a day in his life.
Maybe I'm wrong?
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Liver damage that falls short of choleostasis (ie cell death) reverses itself. If you were to hit the point of choleostasis, you'd know it as you'd be going jaundiced already at that point. Even the HTPA returns to normal given enough time.

No it won't give you the arteries of a 40 year old who doesn't work out, but irreversible damage is never good. You also never know what your individual genetics are like, so it very well could affect you far wose than the average person, and you won't know till its too late.
 
EasyEJL said:
Liver damage that falls short of choleostasis (ie cell death) reverses itself. If you were to hit the point of choleostasis, you'd know it as you'd be going jaundiced already at that point. Even the HTPA returns to normal given enough time.

No it won't give you the arteries of a 40 year old who doesn't work out, but irreversible damage is never good. You also never know what your individual genetics are like, so it very well could affect you far wose than the average person, and you won't know till its too late.
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Good points, I certainly have it mind. But will take extra precautions. Thanks!
 
If you can get ahold fo var you can prolly get a SERM from the same place.

Clomid 75/50/50/25
HCGenerate or PhytoSerms Natty T booster
DAA
ERASE~2 caps a day for AI/Cortisol control
creatine

You should hold most of the gains/fat loss
 
gymrat827 said:
If you can get ahold fo var you can prolly get a SERM from the same place.

Clomid 75/50/50/25
HCGenerate or PhytoSerms Natty T booster
DAA
ERASE~2 caps a day for AI/Cortisol control
creatine

You should hold most of the gains/fat loss
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Are you thinking clomid together with a testo booster?
 
yep, some people start the T booster 1-2 wks later but I start everything from day one of PCT. I normally get a 2nd to stay on after the 4wk PCT is done. Holding the new muscle gain is not easy, your body builds it so quickly it can lose just as fast. I will be on some sort of T booster and creatine for 8wks total after a cycle or its just a waste.
 
gymrat827 said:
yep, some people start the T booster 1-2 wks later but I start everything from day one of PCT. I normally get a 2nd to stay on after the 4wk PCT is done. Holding the new muscle gain is not easy, your body builds it so quickly it can lose just as fast. I will be on some sort of T booster and creatine for 8wks total after a cycle or its just a waste.
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Okey, is this with Anavar, or just a general PCT you follow after a cycle?
And I read some different things about PCT, is it started day 1 after your last pill/injection or 1 week after?

Thanks man, really informative posts.
 
Why is there such an emphasis on liver damage? The liver is the most resiliant organ in the body and will repair itself time and time again. Of course it wouldn't be wise to run any compound at high doses for a long period of time, but a 4-6 week run at moderate doses of any compound will be fine. I just use Liv.52 and milk thistle year round and I'm G2G. Like Easy said above, you'll know when you have liver problems when you get jaundice. When/if your eyes and skin start turning yellow, that's when you better start sh!tting bricks and getting to your doc ASAP.
 
playaaa said:
Okey, is this with Anavar, or just a general PCT you follow after a cycle?
And I read some different things about PCT, is it started day 1 after your last pill/injection or 1 week after?

Thanks man, really informative posts.
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with anavar the next day. With injectibles it depends on the specific one
 
Nolva 20/20/10/10 would be fine for what you're taking. I don't know why everybody have to be say "do your own research" or "you're not ready" when someone just ask a simple question?

Good luck.
 
I'm, about to run var in a month. TBol and var are my Favorite steroids. Even after 2 months of not working out I still had a 6 pack after 3 months my body started to change. If i had kept working out i would say it would have lasted at least 4-6 months. My cycle is going to be this:

weeks 1-14 sustanon 350mg/week
weeks 1-4 tbol
weeks 1-6 Masteron
weeks 7-12 anavar
weeks 3-13 Hcg 500iu a week split into 2 shots

PCT clomid 100 the first 2 days then 50/50/25/25 I have some arimidex on hand just in case any gyno does occur. I always run a long summer cycle and recover after 2 weeks since i use HCG throughout the cycle. Right now I'm 165lbs about 10%bf i don't want to be anymore than 175 at 7-8% BF. After 6-8 weeks I should achieve this goal. I like to keep the test on the lower end. I used to use transdermal test at 250mg/week, thios time since I'm pinning masteron i figured why not use test also. After the esters weight the test should be around 300mg/week. I may pick up some androhard and use a small dose after the masteron to act as proviron would.

to answer your question PCT is a must look at mine tat should work fine for you. If you have any questions feel free to ask i am very familiar with anavar.
 
kanakafarian said:
Why is there such an emphasis on liver damage? The liver is the most resiliant organ in the body and will repair itself time and time again. Of course it wouldn't be wise to run any compound at high doses for a long period of time, but a 4-6 week run at moderate doses of any compound will be fine. I just use Liv.52 and milk thistle year round and I'm G2G. Like Easy said above, you'll know when you have liver problems when you get jaundice. When/if your eyes and skin start turning yellow, that's when you better start sh!tting bricks and getting to your doc ASAP.
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People always make a big deal with methylated products and your liver. Anavar isn't that harsh on your liver at all your lipids is what you need to worry about. Anvar also helps rebuild your tendons.
 
with orals, as mentioned you start PCT the next day. Inj's it depends on what your usings, different ones call for different PCT's
 
I'm currently using:

40 mg anavar ED. 20mg in the morning 20mg after workout around 6pm
Milkthistle
Udo's choice oil for good fats
Omega 3
Green tea extract (very good for low hdl i read)
Multivitamins

After 6 weeks i'll be running TRS and have clomid on the go incase i get total shutdown.
If I don't I think running TRS will be enough.

Thanks for alot of good info!

So far : day 4: I noticed increased vascularity and some increased pump in forearm. Nothing special pumpwise.
Small head-ache nothing major at all after I've taken the 'var - heard this was common and actually a good sign that the 'var was working? Is it because of the increased BP?
 
should of went with something else than the TRS but whatever. Clomid is the thing thats going to boost your T levels/get you back to normal, not the TRS. A SERM is going to help you 10x more than any natural supplement.

So use the clomid first and if you need more help with Tes take the TRS, dont start with the TRS and use clomid if needed. You plan is backwards for PCT.
 
gymrat827 said:
should of went with something else than the TRS but whatever. Clomid is the thing thats going to boost you T levels/get you back to normal, not the TRS. A SERM is going to help you 10x more than the TRS.

So use the clomid and if you need more help with Tes take the TRS, dont start with the TRS and use clomid if needed. You plan is backwards for PCT.
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Okey, just read alot of contradicting stuff.
Some say TRS only is enough and that clomid is overkill for such a light cycle.

Is there any special sides with clomid by the way? I googled it, but it's very vague. Maybe I googled wrong :)
 
whoever says you dont need a SERM for PCT is an idiot.

None of muscle gain or fatloss is going to be held if you dont. The TRS kit is a waste too in my mind. GL with that
 
gymrat827 said:
whoever says you dont need a SERM for PCT is an idiot.

None of muscle gain or fatloss is going to be held if you dont. The TRS kit is a waste too in my mind. GL with that
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In my opinion if you pair the TRS with a low dose serm, you've got an ideal pct. Cortisol control, great natty test boost, lipid regulation, and of course the serm. Covers all your bases right?
 
bikeswimlive said:
In my opinion if you pair the TRS with a low dose serm, you've got an ideal pct. Cortisol control, great natty test boost, lipid regulation, and of course the serm. Covers all your bases right?
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Ive been disappointed with PP's test booster's so thats why I comment the way i do on them. Ive tried sustain alpha and had poor results, the Toco 8 is the only thing i would ever buy again.
 
You should always use a serm for pct. Pretty sure that's been covered already so I won't go any further. Also most natural test boosters will have very minimal effect, tribulus in particular doesn't seem to have any effect on T (going by pubmed studies), though it does seem to help libido which is why people think it helps your test levels.


I will also say oral only cycles generally aren't a great idea. Especially anavar imo.If you're going to shut yourself down you might as well get something out of it, and just about every other compound out there will give you far more for your money. As a rule every cycle should include testosterone. If you can get var I can pretty much guarantee you can get test. You'll be far far happier with a test cycle and save alot of money as well. If you absolutely positively won't do an injectable (which really doesn't make sense because pinning is easy as can be), then at least run a compound that will give you some decent gains.
 
playaaa said:
I do, but lower HDL over a short time is not as worrying for me, compare this to people at my age eating McDonalds every day.

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this ^^^, and the crap about your hdl not an issue to you, you win the prize for tard of the week!!!!!!!!!

wow
 
hahahah you are slow

you wanting to be spoonfed is probably indicitve of your laziness which in turn leads me to believe your training lacks, probably the reason for the ill advised anavar cycle
 
sking6464 said:
hahahah you are slow

you wanting to be spoonfed is probably indicitve of your laziness which in turn leads me to believe your training lacks, probably the reason for the ill advised anavar cycle
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How is me commenting on someone not answering my question but something completely different, equivalent to wanting to be spoonfed?

However, maybe I should listen to you. You seem like a man who has done mistakes he's learned from. Referring to the tramp-stamp you got on your back.

Now back to topic please if you have anything to comment on.
 
DigitalAsh said:
You should always use a serm for pct. Pretty sure that's been covered already so I won't go any further. Also most natural test boosters will have very minimal effect, tribulus in particular doesn't seem to have any effect on T (going by pubmed studies), though it does seem to help libido which is why people think it helps your test levels.


I will also say oral only cycles generally aren't a great idea. Especially anavar imo.If you're going to shut yourself down you might as well get something out of it, and just about every other compound out there will give you far more for your money. As a rule every cycle should include testosterone. If you can get var I can pretty much guarantee you can get test. You'll be far far happier with a test cycle and save alot of money as well. If you absolutely positively won't do an injectable (which really doesn't make sense because pinning is easy as can be), then at least run a compound that will give you some decent gains.
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Yes, that seems to be the general concencus. However different people want different gains. And leads different lives.
For me, Anavar is the one I felt was best suited for ME. :-)
Not everyone wants to have the most gain they can possibly get for the least amount of money.
Not saying you do, and if you do. Good luck on whatever you choose to run.
 
playaaa said:
How is me commenting on someone not answering my question but something completely different, equivalent to wanting to be spoonfed?

However, maybe I should listen to you. You seem like a man who has done mistakes he's learned from. Referring to the tramp-stamp you got on your back.

Now back to topic please if you have anything to comment on.
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the tramp stamp, lol, do you want to touch it????

back to the topic is, you arent ready, and your questions only further that

whats your plan when the var kills your hdl.....oh yeah not important....how about libido???? if you are still a virgin then i guess that wont matter either
 
I agree playaa might not be ready just yet but that's the point of posting this thread. Sure test and even dbol will be cheaper and get better size and strength gains but alot of people use var as an intro into AAS. Anavar is more maintainable during pct also. Lean mass gains and has fat burning potential. If you feel this is the best compound for you at the moment than more power to you! Just be sure to stack the clomid in your pct please do not make the mistake of using trs by itself
 
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