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amazing results on clomid

p0fell0w said:
the dr said it was my body figuring out my testosterone and therefor making it even its self out. whats up with that?
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That doesn't sound right... your body figures out how much T to make based on estrogen levels, and with clomid blocking your estrogen receptors it shouldn't stop making T. Clomid isn't a good long term solution... I am going to try hCG very soon.
 
LeanGuy said:
That doesn't sound right... your body figures out how much T to make based on estrogen levels, and with clomid blocking your estrogen receptors it shouldn't stop making T. Clomid isn't a good long term solution... I am going to try hCG very soon.
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ya thats what i was thinking..i was thinking that it would be higher then last time. i'm going to ask him about hcg next time i go back in july. also i have another theory why he dropped so much i'm having a baby with my g/f and some studies say that it can drop your testosterone to drop greatly
 
i found a site that explained testosterone feedback and the way they explained it was your body sends signals to your pibutary gland to lower either the FSH or LH levels therefor lowing your testosterone levels so i guess the dr could be right
 
Bump Bump..

Two months later with better results.

After my failed 2 months run of clomid my levels dropped back to below the original 309. During the clomid i had them tested and both times they came back above the normal range and were flagged for being high. 6 weeks after and they were at 307.

Now after those results of 307 I went immediately back on clomid, this time at .25 mg for 4 weeks while on ATD 1 cap per day. After 4 weeks of clomid i stopped and continued with ATD for 4 more weeks at 1 cap. Had my testosterone tested on the last day of ATD and they came back flagged for being high at 1035 ng/dl (ref rage 241-827)

So far my hypothesis is correct. I though the reason for my low T was an estrogen rebound after the clomid therapy ceased. Now normally ATD would boost anyones testosterone since it inhibits estrogen. So I will wean off the ATD 1 cap EOD for one more week and retest at the end of FEB. Hopefully my hormones will normalize and i'll be left within an acceptable range.


Anyone have any comments on this or think I'm missing something.
 
Yeah inibit-e 25mg per capsule. Or do you mean why did I choose ATD over something else? I just had a bottle of it around.
 
I will keep it updated. I'm very hopeful now. I'm no doctor, but as far as I know ATD doesn't have any direct effect on LH production. Pretty sure it just lowers estrogen, which in turn increases test production. But if my pituitary wasn't capable, I would still have low T no matter how low my estrogen is. I know some AI's such as letrozole have SERM like properties where it actually stimulates LH production. This is why I chose ATD over the letro I have.

I was so worried my test was going to be in the gutter again after a month of clomid. I went into the test accepting the 'fact' that I would need to be on testosterone replacement. I would have been happy if it was 500. So when I nervously opened my results, I was elated at the fact that they were actually above normal.

This also gives me a lot more confidence in ATD as a solo testosterone booster. Myself, I havn't seen any bloodwork numbers from ATD alone (I'm sure they exist someplace) I probably would have been skeptical. But I would definitely use ATD solo again for it's testosterone boosting effect, and that was only at 1 cap a day. I'll probabaly get my blood done again at the end of the month and I'll be sure to post my results.

You know, I saw this article or forum post someplace and I can't remember where but it talked about a estrogen rebound from clomid rendering it ineffective for some users. Thus my decision to run the AI after completion of Clomid. If i can find it i'll link it up or post it.
 
well its pretty well known that SERMs can rebound and AI as well. If i run an non steriodal AI i usually like to follow with a SERM. If i run a SERM i like to follow with an AI, with a long taper down, preferrably a steroidal AI. ATD is a steroidal AI fyi and 25mg is a good dose. Alot of people were dosing (and still do) ATD at 75mg, ive seen studies and by my own knowledge i feel 12.5mg ed is already a good dose at suppressing estrogen.
 
p0fell0w said:
i told him everything..they did test after test..some chick did a mri on my piptuary gland my LH level came back low and he wanted to see if he can get that up and get me restarted with clomid.
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p0fell0w said:
LH 1.9
FSH 3.6
Prolactin 8.9
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Hi,

I'm getting low test symptoms and I had LH and FSH tested - the results were:

LH: 1.4 U/L (1.0.-9.0)
FSH: 2.8 U/L (1.0-10.0)
Prolactin: 118 mU/L (60-500)
Testosterone: 9.0 nmol/L (10-30) (259 ng/dL)
SHBG: 22 nmol/L (6-45)
Calc Free Testosterone: 206 pmol/L (245-785) (5.93ng/dL)
Albumin: 47 g/L (35-50)

If we're talking the same units then my LH and FSH are lower than yours. However, they're within reference ranges (I'm in the UK) so the doc though they were normal. Did they give you any info on what they thought was a low level? I've got a forthcoming appt with an Endo so I'll be able to ask then but I like to be prepared!

Thanks,
 
Lammermoor said:
Hi,

I'm getting low test symptoms and I had LH and FSH tested - the results were:

LH: 1.4 U/L (1.0.-9.0)
FSH: 2.8 U/L (1.0-10.0)
Prolactin: 118 mU/L (60-500)
Testosterone: 9.0 nmol/L (10-30) (259 ng/dL)
SHBG: 22 nmol/L (6-45)
Calc Free Testosterone: 206 pmol/L (245-785) (5.93ng/dL)
Albumin: 47 g/L (35-50)

If we're talking the same units then my LH and FSH are lower than yours. However, they're within reference ranges (I'm in the UK) so the doc though they were normal. Did they give you any info on what they thought was a low level? I've got a forthcoming appt with an Endo so I'll be able to ask then but I like to be prepared!

Thanks,
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How did the doc appt go? Yeah 259 ng/dl is right at the end of the low end on most scales used in the states, shouldn't be hard to get help with levels that low. Might want to try clomid restart. Have you used steroids in the past or is it just naturally this low?
 
Hi,

I've never used AAS - it's just gone that way all by itself unfortunately! Clomid restart does sound like it's worth trying. My Endo appt isn't until the end of March so I'm having to wait. I expect they'll do a full set of tests to check thyroid and E2 etc. See what comes back from that!
 
Update:

After my last results i was hopeful. Looks like the past couple months were a complete waste. Test levels are way down 267.. seems like they're getting worse.

I have a vericocele as well which has been getting worse (makes sense) too. Measured my testicle and the left is only avout 3.5 cm now. right is like 4.5. Noticebly smaller than while on was on ATD.

Now I guess i'm going to uro to check out my options. I feel shitty.
 
i just went back to the dr monday and he took some blood work and i'll post the results when he calls back it should be this week. have you guys heard of some new study about you can stay on clomid for a long time? i asked my dr about getting off clomid b/c i been on 25mg for about a year or so and he said they have a new study saying that its safe to stay on it for 5-10 years i dont want this dr to give me cancer or kill me lol is he right about clomid for long term use?
 
if you're on clomid for a long period of time does the medication stop working as good? b/c i went from 965 down to 570 and now its 530 this time the blood work came back. would getting on hcg be better for me if it keeps going down?
 
p0fell0w said:
if you're on clomid for a long period of time does the medication stop working as good? b/c i went from 965 down to 570 and now its 530 this time the blood work came back. would getting on hcg be better for me if it keeps going down?
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anyone?
 
Ive been on clomid treatment 25/25/25/25/25/25/25/12/12

I had LH of 1.5, low FSH, and Low Sperm Count, along with left grade III varicocele.

My total T was low 300's.

Now that I'm on clomid, my libido is way higher, my strength is up, and my overall energy is increased. I'm about to get my follow up blood test. How long do you guys think it should take to return to "natural baseline"???

Id like to note, for whoever was mentioning ATD showing results of 1000's. I took ATD during a PCT and had test results of 400 total T during my 2nd week off a pro-hormone. I felt WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY ****tier than I've felt during my normal living in the 300's range. I truly believe ATD causes a false positive.
 
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