Always see people saying tren is a bad choice for first cycle

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Why does everyone say tren is so bad to run as your first cycle?

Would a test e/tren a cycle really be that bad for a first time?


I was thinking:

Test E: 1-12 250mg 2x a week

Tren A: 6-12 75mg/eod

HCG: 3-12 500iu

AI while on the HCG

PCT:
-Toremiphine (2 weeks after last injection)
Day 1-3 100mg
Day 3-10 80mg
Day 10-20 60mg

-Natty test booster (PP's test recovery stack OK?)

Is this a bad idea? Any suggestions?

 

[icon0561]

Why does everyone say tren is so bad to run as your first cycle?

Would a test e/tren a cycle really be that bad for a first time?


I was thinking:

Test E: 1-12 250mg 2x a week

Tren A: 6-12 75mg/eod

HCG: 3-12 500iu

AI while on the HCG

PCT:
-Toremiphine (2 weeks after last injection)
Day 1-3 100mg
Day 3-10 80mg
Day 10-20 60mg

-Natty test booster (PP's test recovery stack OK?)

Is this a bad idea? Any suggestions?

Its not that something horrible will happen to you if you run tren for your first cycle. The problem is that if you get bad side effects you wont know what caused it. This is the main reason that people recommend using only test cycles for the first and then adding compounds to it in later cycles.

If you're going to run the tren then I would move it to the front of the cycle, weeks 1-6 rather than 6-12 and look at doing 50mg ED rather tan 75 EOD. 500mg of test E per week is a good dose, but you may not see anything out of it for a few weeks. For me it usually kicks in around week 3-4, which is why many people prefer to frontload with something faster acting.

 

[EasyEJL]

Also odds are you'd see good enough gains on a first cycle that the tren is unnecessary to see any more gains.

 

[nosnmiveins]

do it and let us know how it goes

 

[depaulhifi]

Also odds are you'd see good enough gains on a first cycle that the tren is unnecessary to see any more gains.

I hadn't even thought of this. I too was thinking of disregarding almost everyone's advice and running tren on my first cycle. I was originally going to do 11 weeks of prop at 100 eod, tren at 75 eod, and then toss in some anavar at the end for good measure. Now I'm thinking of upping the prop to 150-200 eod, or 100 ed... Go big or go home right??

 

[EasyEJL]

Remember that 340mg of prop is about equal to 420 mg of cyp. So 150 EOD isn't terrible, but still is likely more than you need. Keep in mind if your natural production was at absolute top of scale, even 75mg EOD would be more than doubling the amount you have in bloodstream.

Plus given the way real life works, you'll be doing more cycles in the future, you aren't going to suddenly say "yep I'm big/strong enough" and you'll have life's little interruptions that cost you losing size/muscle - illness, breakup with a girl, family death, etc. So no sense going crazy the first time, I'd just do the 100mg EOD for 6-8 weeks.

 

[depaulhifi]

Remember that 340mg of prop is about equal to 420 mg of cyp. So 150 EOD isn't terrible, but still is likely more than you need. Keep in mind if your natural production was at absolute top of scale, even 75mg EOD would be more than doubling the amount you have in bloodstream.

Plus given the way real life works, you'll be doing more cycles in the future, you aren't going to suddenly say "yep I'm big/strong enough" and you'll have life's little interruptions that cost you losing size/muscle - illness, breakup with a girl, family death, etc. So no sense going crazy the first time, I'd just do the 100mg EOD for 6-8 weeks.

I do know that prop is more test per mg than longer esters like cyp and enth. I keep toiling with this decision, but I think I'll end up taking your advice and just do 100mg EOD, for 11 weeks (4 bottles), with anavar at the end. I'll save all the excitement I have now for my next cycle with either deca or tren come winter...

 

[Kookahdoo]

I do know that prop is more test per mg than longer esters like cyp and enth. I keep toiling with this decision, but I think I'll end up taking your advice and just do 100mg EOD, for 11 weeks (4 bottles), with anavar at the end. I'll save all the excitement I have now for my next cycle with either deca or tren come winter...

That's a long time to be on prop bruther. 8 weeks is fine for me. Your gains will taper off toward the end.

Get in, make gains, get out. Recovery will be much easier with a shorter cycle.

 

[bigzach1234]

That's a long time to be on prop bruther. 8 weeks is fine for me. Your gains will taper off toward the end.

Get in, make gains, get out. Recovery will be much easier with a shorter cycle.

no way.. thats not a long time to run prop... 11 weeks? really... dude 8 weeks sucks compared to 12.. if i were the OP id say 11 or 12 weeks would be the ideal amount of time to run a cycle.. with 8 weeks your just starting to get those solid gains and there starting to solidify but u dont get that total body recomp yet.. if u do its just starting.. u need a few more weeks when the ball is rolling full force

also ppl dont like tren as a first cycle because, as stated before, u will gain enough from just test...
ppl like to have a progression so they can continue to get good gains on future cycles.. no need to empty your whole arsenal in the first battle... youll see it start like this: test e/dbol... next cycle add eq/deca ... maybe after that u can switch to a short ester and then throw in some win and or tren with it.. then maybe youll start stacking a few more compounds.. test/npp/mast/tren... then maybe u move on to the whole gh/slin game or the peptide gain.. and then you start cycling with multiple stronger compounds @ higher doses with gh/slin also.. always a progression.. if u use all your weapons first battle youll have nothing left to suprise your enemys with later down the line
:usa:

 

[MSE]

no way.. thats not a long time to run prop... 11 weeks? really... dude 8 weeks sucks compared to 12.. if i were the OP id say 11 or 12 weeks would be the ideal amount of time to run a cycle.. with 8 weeks your just starting to get those solid gains and there starting to solidify but u dont get that total body recomp yet.. if u do its just starting.. u need a few more weeks when the ball is rolling full force

also ppl dont like tren as a first cycle because, as stated before, u will gain enough from just test...
ppl like to have a progression so they can continue to get good gains on future cycles.. no need to empty your whole arsenal in the first battle... youll see it start like this: test e/dbol... next cycle add eq/deca ... maybe after that u can switch to a short ester and then throw in some win and or tren with it.. then maybe youll start stacking a few more compounds.. test/npp/mast/tren... then maybe u move on to the whole gh/slin game or the peptide gain.. and then you start cycling with multiple stronger compounds @ higher doses with gh/slin also.. always a progression.. if u use all your weapons first battle youll have nothing left to suprise your enemys with later down the line
:usa:

My Test prop cycles are usually 16 weeks, but I run EQ with it as well, my point however, is that 11 weeks is not that long.