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BioHazzard said:
Don't patronize me, young man. I am old enough to order you to your room. :D

I have lived in a country that has fought and won against communist insurgency. No offense, but I seriously doubt a college kid has anything of value to enlighten me on topics such as communism. Not to be rude, I am really not interested in what you think you may know about communism and certainly would not be inclined to "Go back and read my posts. Not just one, or part of one, all of them".

But I do like to argue, sometimes and when I am bored. :D :D

Sorry, I am sure this is not what you like to hear.

You throw out these cool little chic concepts like "Communism in its purest form is utopia", "Utopia and egalitarianism is not achievable", and "absolute power corrupts"... Well.. that is all good. But why? How? Why wouldn't it work? How can an ideology that worships, promotes and dedicates itself to the establishment of egalitarianism always goes off track into 'absolute power'? Doesn't that sound contradictory? Why is that so? What has communist system always brought rise to tyranny? What is the inherent fatal flaw in the system that results in this tendency? Please don't just say 'oh yeah, somebody didn't return the power to the people'? It is not that simple. For a high school essay, that may do. But you are not in high school anymore.
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Hah! Well, you said you were a double Major in Finance and Economics and apparently they didn't teach you about debate. I will break it down for you:

-An individual makes a point
-You READ that point (something you have not done at all during this discourse) and decide where you stand relative to that comment
-You respond, taking into account not only your own arrogant beliefs, but the beliefs/thoughts of the other person
-Then you type.

How am I to have a debate with someone who, admittedly, is not reading my posts WHERE I SAID WHAT HE WANTED TO KNOW and then has the nerve to tell me I don't know what I am talking about.

Like I said before, I find it ironic you are using your age as an excuse to disregard what I am saying and then act like a complete ****ing child.
 
I edited my post and added something else.

P.S. You think too much of yourself. The reality is, you are just one of the millions college kids who have taken a few courses in sociology and think they have the world and the universe figured out. :D No worry. Being there done that. I have personal experience to know where you are standing, and I eventually came to realize what an ass I really was back then. So I know exactly what an ass you are at this point, b/c you reminded me of myself. Well, except that I am better looking. :D :D

Don't kid yourself. No one in the real world really would pay attention to what you have to say about communism. Not that you suck or anything. It is just that you are only at the beginning of your journay. You have begun to grasp the concepts, but you don't know how things really work in real life yet. I know kids hate to be told that. I know I hated it when people told me that back then. But it is the god honest truth.

Look, lighten up, kid. No big deal. You are going to get a lot of beating in the real world, if you think too much of yourself. So, cheer! :drunk:
 
BioHazzard said:
I edited my post and added something else.

P.S. You think too much of yourself. The reality is, you are just one of the millions college kids who have taken a few courses in sociology and think they have the world and the universe figured out. :D No worry. Being there done that. I have personal experience to know where you are standing, and I eventually came to realize what an ass I really was back then. So I know exactly what an ass you are at this point, b/c you reminded me of myself. Well, except that I was better looking. :D :D

Don't kid yourself. No one in the real world really would pay attention to what you have to say about communism. Not that you suck or anything. It is just that you are only at the beginning of your journay. I know kids hate to be told that. I know I hated it when people told me that back then. But it is the god honest truth.

Look, lighten up, kid. No big deal. You are going to get a lot of beating in the real world, if you think too much of yourself. So, cheer! :drunk:
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lol...Well cheers..You are/were good for a laugh.

:drunk:


P.S. I had seen/done things by the time I was 12-13 that I would not wish on anybody. Ever had a gun put in your mouth? Seen your friends get stabbed at a party? Or beaten with pipes in front of a convenience store? I lived on my own before I could drive, but I am sure you had a very similar childhood. And before you even begin to type I am saying these things to look tough, or give myself credibility I am saying these things to prove a point that age does not neccessarily determine experience and/or wisdom (in both directions). I absolutely hated what I was, but on the other hand am grateful for what it has allowed me to become. So for you, some ass on the internet to tell me I have experienced nothing is ridiculous, honestly. And that isn't some "college kid" arrogance, that is reality. You are just one of the million individuals who think age automatically precludes you into the school of knowledge/experience.

:rolleyes:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
lol...Well cheers..You are/were good for a laugh.

:drunk:


P.S. I had seen/done things by the time I was 12-13 that I would not wish on anybody. Ever had a gun put in your mouth? Seen your friends get stabbed at a party? Or beaten with pipes in front of a convenience store? I lived on my own before I could drive, but I am sure you had a very similar childhood. And before you even begin to type I am saying these things to look tough, or give myself credibility I am saying these things to prove a point that age does not neccessarily determine experience and/or wisdom (in both directions). I absolutely hated what I was, but on the other hand am grateful for what it has allowed me to become. So for you, some ass on the internet to tell me I have experienced nothing is ridiculous, honestly. And that isn't some "college kid" arrogance, that is reality. You are just one of the million individuals who think age automatically precludes you into the school of knowledge/experience.

:rolleyes:
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Believe me, many of us have had a bad childhood or "growing up". Anyways, lets get back on the original topic. We may need to make a new thread bashing commies :twisted:
 
I am totally lost at this point. Not that it should surprise anyone but I figured I would make this statement anyways.
 
Jayhawkk said:
FDR was a HACK!!! While it may be completely true isn't going too far in opening other's ears.
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Oh, yeah...but I wasn't intent on arguing with anyone about it. Nor did I feel like scouring the internet for supportive information for a post that people would skip right by in a mostly-unrelated thread :)

If someone wants to start a thread about the failures of WWII and how the world patted itself on the back (through history books) for letting the world get so far out of control they had no choice but to jump in, I'm game :D
 
Mulletsoldier said:
lol...Well cheers..You are/were good for a laugh.

:drunk:


P.S. I had seen/done things by the time I was 12-13 that I would not wish on anybody. Ever had a gun put in your mouth? Seen your friends get stabbed at a party? Or beaten with pipes in front of a convenience store? I lived on my own before I could drive, but I am sure you had a very similar childhood. And before you even begin to type I am saying these things to look tough, or give myself credibility I am saying these things to prove a point that age does not neccessarily determine experience and/or wisdom (in both directions). I absolutely hated what I was, but on the other hand am grateful for what it has allowed me to become. So for you, some ass on the internet to tell me I have experienced nothing is ridiculous, honestly. And that isn't some "college kid" arrogance, that is reality. You are just one of the million individuals who think age automatically precludes you into the school of knowledge/experience.

:rolleyes:
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I guess that makes you an expert on being a street tough. :D :box: :box: :donut: :bruce2: But the last time you put your pic up as avatar, you don't look like no street tough. A typical college kid, yep. Street tough? Could have fooled me. :box: :box: lol

But what do I know? I have never given a blow job to a pistol. :D :D :lol: Thankgod I have a brain and some skills. :lol:
 
fbxdan said:
Believe me, many of us have had a bad childhood or "growing up". Anyways, lets get back on the original topic. We may need to make a new thread bashing commies :twisted:
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If you start a thread bashing commies, we'll be there. :D

But it is kind of pointless tho. Commies are sooo yesterday. :dump:
 
BioHazzard said:
I guess that makes you an expert on being a street tough. :D :box: :box: :donut: :bruce2: But the last time you put your pic up as avatar, you don't look like no street tough. A typical college kid, yep. Street tough? Could have fooled me. :box: :box: lol

But what do I know? I have never given a blow job to a pistol. :D :D :lol: Thankgod I have a brain and some skills. :lol:
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lol......



If you have a brain you have not displayed it very well. Skills? At being ass? Then I must concede you are quite proficient


I am dumbfounded, it's like arguing with a 6 year old
 
I love how you used the phrase "street tough" and then proceeded to tie that in with a look..lol..I think you must have worn out your Grease tape bro...

"Ehhhhhh..Danny Zucco!"

:toofunny: :toofunny:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I love how you used the phrase "street tough" and then proceeded to tie that in with a look..lol..I think you must have worn out your Grease tape bro...

"Ehhhhhh..Danny Zucco!"

:toofunny: :toofunny:
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One word. Huh? :lol: WTF? No self respecting street tough would be caught dead watching Grease!:nono:
 
BioHazzard said:
One word. Huh? :lol: WTF? No self respecting street tough would be caught dead watching Grease!:nono:
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I know ass. I was referring to you using words like "street tough" and "street thug". That Finance Degree really didn't assist your reading comp skills eh lil fella?
 
BioHazzard said:
If you start a thread bashing commies, we'll be there. :D

But it is kind of pointless tho. Commies are sooo yesterday. :dump:
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I know, cause nowadays it is all about the Islamic terrorists :duel: !

<wraps towel around head> Aiayayyayayayya!!

lol

This has been an interesting read fellas. Jayhawk, I think you have been doing a swell mod job, and your attempts to keep the peace are appriciated.

fbxdan - I actually want to thank you for sharing that information about your family friend. I hope the response here does not disuade you from sharing similar stories in the future.

Kwyck - Your comments regarding FDR have inspired me to do further reading on the subject. See Jayhawk was write, as far off track as the thread went you can still learn a thing or two :wave:

Bio & Mulley - Good initial points, but it has turned into a Jerry Springer Episode. I still read it all the way through, still a fun read :cheers: I'm not saying I would have done a better job, but where are we going now, spouting off about street cred and college degrees :nono:
 
Just look at WWII as a whole. Look at the advancements made by Italy, Japan, and Germany over time and put that into perspective with the world response to their actions.
 
Bio and Mullet, there's no one that appreciates verbal beatdowns more than me but unfortunately we need to keep this semi-on track here and keep the personal insults to a minimum. But both of you really need to email me so I can help you...Cause honestly, you both really suck in this dept. :)

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
 
Back to the topic on hand... I am not saying a holocaust didn't happen, that would be foolish. (Although, i dont like the word "holocaust" either. Because in the 20th century there were many "holocausts" not just this sole event). We've established jews were killed by the germans along with poles, gypsies, etc. There is no disagreement there. Now when people say "six million jews died" I find that to be false with the research i've done. I think that is a widely exaggerated event, that has been blown out of proportion. In world war 1 the allies portrayed the germans as boiling belgian babies (thats a mouth full) in news reports and propaganda.. Obviously this never happened. But it was taken as fact by the people for a time.

The holocaust is an interesting subject because it is almost taboo in a way to inquire about it. If you question the numbers or question if the holocaust is exaggerated, you are quickly labeled as a quack, extreme right-wing, anti-semite, etc. But, the truth is the truth reguardless. And I view that the holocaust has been greatly exaggerated for whatever reasons. I remember growing up and in school they taught us "the germans made lamp shades out of jew skin", and I remember thinking "wow... thats gross. what a horrific event". It was really information that played to your emotions.. made you horrified if you will. Well, then a few years later it comes out that most historians believe that to be a hoax. When I learned that it really confused me. Why would this have been taught if it wasnt true? And thats when I decided to do my own research on the holocaust and I have found may inconsitencies in the numbers, and how the information reguarding it was obtained. I do not believe 6 million died, and view that is nearly impossible. I do not think there was an archetyped plan to exterminate the jews as a race. That is my viewpoint and i can provide many statistics, facts, and evidence to support this if anyone wants to listen. However I encourage each individual to look to study the information from both sides relating to this event.

And I welcome a debate on anything i post or what facts I may present. If you have a counter argument please post it, so other people can view it. However the debate is, did 6 million die? And was there an archetyped plan to exterminate jewish individuals in germany? So before we delve further into this, those are the main questions reguarding holocaust revisionism. If anyone is willing to open their mind for a little bit and listen we can all understand this event better.
 
The possibility of it being blow out of proportion is definitely real.

However, the Jews did suffer disproportionately and whether it was 1,3, or 6 million, it was still horrible.

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Hitler's mentality was also very interesting.

He was quoted saying something to this extent (couldn't find it on google):

The war with my western counterparts shall be conducted as a civilized war with respect. the war with the russians, the jews, etc would not be because it is a campaign of extinction.

They all hate me now for what I am doing, but I am doing the world a favor and in the future they will look back and thank me.

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6 Million is an entirely accurate number. Fbxdan, you're insinuations are insulting. Why exactly are you trying to lessen that atrocity? Are you trying to rationlize it or something? One really has to question what agenda someone has for disbelieving a deathtoll that is backed by METICULOUS record keeping.

The Nazis wanted to make sure they killed every last living Jew. They kept records to make sure of which ones they had killed, which ones were in what camps, and every other statistic under the sun. That 6 million represents the number of Jews we are able to directly account for via either written documentation or eyewitness testimony. If anything, the number was higher.

I think before you go on with your lunatic line of reasoning, you need to talk to a holocaust survivor. Talk to them, listen to the sheer hellish nightmare they miraculously managed to LIVE through, and about how many they knew who were not so fortunate. Because you need to get in touch with reality and stop attempting to belittle the unimaginable suffering of the victims of the Nazis.
 
This is a very touchy subject but we're not getting anywhere in understanding the opposing viewpoints if they are tagged with personal insults. Null, I understand your feelings but he already stated that if you question it you become cannon fodder. Prove him wrong and debate with him.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Prove him wrong and debate with him.
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And therein lies the problem.

In order to prove someone COMPLETELY wrong, you'll probably have to sit down together with primary documents and records and bang out all the numbers.

That's not gonna happen :lol:

I personally don't see any reason to disbelieve that 6,000,000 jews died. Heck, Auschwitz alone was pumping out thousands of bodies daily!
 
Nullifidian said:
6 Million is an entirely accurate number. Fbxdan, you're insinuations are insulting. Why exactly are you trying to lessen that atrocity? Are you trying to rationlize it or something? One really has to question what agenda someone has for disbelieving a deathtoll that is backed by METICULOUS record keeping.

The Nazis wanted to make sure they killed every last living Jew. They kept records to make sure of which ones they had killed, which ones were in what camps, and every other statistic under the sun. That 6 million represents the number of Jews we are able to directly account for via either written documentation or eyewitness testimony. If anything, the number was higher.

I think before you go on with your lunatic line of reasoning, you need to talk to a holocaust survivor. Talk to them, listen to the sheer hellish nightmare they miraculously managed to LIVE through, and about how many they knew who were not so fortunate. Because you need to get in touch with reality and stop attempting to belittle the unimaginable suffering of the victims of the Nazis.
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I don't think he is attempting to belittle the Holocaust and the suffering. He is at that stage in his life where he is questioning everything and forming his take on things in the universe. We were all there at that stage once. And we thought we had everything sorted out and had answers to everything in the universe. ;) It was all sooo cool back then. :cheers:

Since I am on memory lane... Cheers to everyone.. :cheers:

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BioHazzard said:
I don't think he is attempting to belittle the Holocaust and the suffering. He is at that stage in his life where he is questioning everything and forming his take on things in the universe. We were all there at that stage once. And we thought we had everything sorted out and had answers to everything in the universe. ;) It was all sooo cool back then. :cheers:

Since I am on memory lane... Cheers to everyone.. :cheers:

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Haha, I guess thats true in a way. Btw, summer of 69' is a great song. I don't think I have everything all sorted out though. But yes you are right, I am forming my own takes on things.
 
:cheers: Cheers! bro. It is all good, just as long as you don't set your mind solid and closed... Never think everything is set in stone and that you have got it all sorted out. Always remember that things are seldom what they appear to be. In God we trust. Everything else needs to be verified. Then, your journay will be fruitful and productive.

Heck, every time when we thought we got things figured out and have the right take on things, and then came a curve ball!! :D Never fails!

Discovering the order of things in the universe is a very cool adventure.

If you love Summer of 69, you would love this one too.

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:djparty: :aargh: :aargh: :dance:
 
fbxdan said:
Stalin had logical reason? He's the biggest mass-murderer this world has ever seen. And the christians that died were just a statistic? Thats ridiculous. Saying the victims of the gulags were "political prisoners" makes me sick to my stomach. Many people were killed because, and only because they were christian. If you want I can link you much information on the subject.
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I think you misunderstood my meaning. I wasn't saying that it was "OK" that Stalin murdered 12 million people because he had a reason. Nor was I trying to say the Christians killed were only a statistic.

What I was trying to say was that he had different reasons for doing what he did than Hitler did. He was just as evil and insane.

And, yes, they were political prisoners. He imprisoned, tortured and killed people he considered a threat to his leadership. That is a political reason. Thus, they were by definition, political prisoners. That doesn't mean it was OK to torture and kill them. Also, I believe he targeted ALL religions , not just Christianity. He considered religion (among other things) a threat.

The difference I was trying to draw between Hitler and Stalin (and it's not a moral difference) was that Hitler targeted a particular group of people based soley on race while Stalin targeted anyone who disagreed with him.

Both were mass murderers who killed millions and both were evil but since Stalin's victims were so broadly based, there isn't any one group of people who can make a lot of noise and claim THEY were targeted for genocide. That can't be said about Hitler. Thus, the holocaust gets more attention.
 
Jayhawkk said:
So now we're down to which mass murderer is worse than the other?

The thread is/was about WW2 and the Jews that were killed because they were Jews and not because of any other reason. Yes, many died on all sides. Yes, not every non Jew in Germany was a Nazi or had part in the torture and murders.


Before we continue. Does anyone in this thread so far argue these following statements as false?WW2 happened
Torture and Prison Camps were real.
Jews in the millions were killed in hideous ways.
This is the most recent event of this magniture which explains the anger a lot people have.
Nazi soldiers who participated in these camps should be tried for war crimes.
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No, I was not trying to say one mass murder was worse or more worthy of discussion than another. I was trying to answer a question; namely, why is there all this stuff about the Holocaust and not so much about the millions Stalin killed? Maybe I am not doing such a good job of answering.....

None of those statements are false.
 
BioHazzard said:
:cheers: Cheers! bro. It is all good, just as long as you don't set your mind solid and closed... Never think everything is set in stone and that you have got it all sorted out. Always remember that things are seldom what they appear to be. In God we trust. Everything else needs to be verified. Then, your journay will be fruitful and productive.

Heck, every time when we thought we got things figured out and have the right take on things, and then came a curve ball!! :D Never fails!

Discovering the order of things in the universe is a very cool adventure.

If you love Summer of 69, you would love this one too.

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:djparty: :aargh: :aargh: :dance:
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Since were on to Don Henley now... [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ0tsphxiOQ"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/nomedia] Ahh, a rock n roll masterpiece ;)
 
Spidey, I think it's because it's not as blended into society as a vehicle for explaining several 'morals' to people among other lessons learned types of things.

From country to country you'll see a leaning towards one event over another.
 
One has to question the motives for World War II. First, why did Adolf Hitler and his NSDAP hate Jews? While there is much said of propaganda and scapegoating, the fact is that Hitler rose to power on a platform of economic and social reform. His statements regarding the Jews referred to their stranglehold on media and business, particularly in Germany. He appealed to a large amount of Germans who saw their own assets decline greatly following World War I and worsen as a result of the Unites States' own Great Depression. Following election records, the NSDAP only reached great popularity in 1933 as Germans became desperate for change. (See graph in middle of page here: Invalid Link Removed

Hitler and many Germans blamed Jews, specifically Zionists, for their loss in World War II and the subsequent financial rape at Versailles. This is because America's reasons for involvement in World War I were sketchy at best and highly questionable. Woodrow Wilson used Bernard Baruch, Jewish Wall Street Baron, as an adviser Invalid Link Removed and he was one of the numerous Zionists who helped determine the financial reparations and terms of the Versailles Treaty in 1918. One reason Nazis had for believing the U.S. involvement in WWI was Zionist-manipulated was the Balfour Declaration Invalid Link Removed which was actually written not by Balfour, but a Zionist Jew named Leopold Amery Invalid Link Removed essentially stated that Britain now supported a Jewish Homeland in Palestine. This was puzzling for several reasons, including that Britain was embroiled in (and losing) the war, and secondly because Britain was not even in charge of Palestine until later. The fact that Britain would endorse such a move and that United States news coverage had suddenly turned from isolationist, generally balanced and sometimes pro-German to making the Germans look like Invalid Link Removed , ruthless Invalid Link Removed seeking to control the world was very suspicious, to say the least. So when grave sanctions and reparations were imposed on Germany after World War I the blame went partly to their politicians and partly to the only persons gaining wealth while the country suffered, Jewish businessmen. This caused a mentality to develop wherein Jewishness itself was seen as a spreading plague inherent in their teachings, their beliefs and even their ancestry. This is why Hitler targeted Jews; his belief was that if the "International Finance-Jewry," as he called it, dragged Germany into another war (Invalid Link Removed, 6 years before World War II) that they would be choosing the result of the annihilation of Jews across Europe. This was the throwing the gauntlet, so to say. Hitler had believed that Russia and international Marxism was the true threat and that England would unite with him against Marxism in France and Russia, but that obviously changed with the advent of Winston Churchill. (Invalid Link Removed)
 
Honestly, I never-ever questioned the Jewish Holocaust OR the number of people murdered until I started hearing people getting persecuted for doing so... That's what made me very curious...

How often do you whole-heartedly believe in something when you're forced to do so? I already know your answer: never.
 
brooklyn, alot of rhetoric and not an ounce of logic. ofcourse, hitler was forced into the war by the nasty jwes.. they left him no choice.. I mean after WWI that they instrumented.
 
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