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Does taking AI's while not on cycle have a negative effect on muscle growth? Wondering if reducing estrogen is a bad thing. Currently taking Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD, but thinking of switching to Letrone.
Yes why the **** would u do that estrogen is needed for growth and if u crash if ur dick won’t work and you’ll have anxiety and depression
why tf would u even consider that
It was recomended to me for gyno. Would i be fine if i switch over to Letrone?Estrogen also upregulates androgen receptors and lowering it will also probably lead to a higher conversion to dht lower igf 1 and **** up your cholesterol
I run 750 test without an ai they’re overused
Do you have gyno?It was recomended to me for gyno. Would i be fine if i switch over to Letrone?
Yeah broDo you have gyno?
I wouol follow the raloxifene protocol and ditch the ai. You are fuking up your joints, your musle gain, your bone density and lipids by using an ai constantly.Yeah bro
I would do Ralox. Too much AI is not a good thing IMO. And Ralox is generally pretty effective.Yeah bro
Gyno.A great great great way to avoid bloat and water retention (that’s probably why you want to take an Ai) is to not be fat. Lose weight and get to around 10% and you won’t have that issue anymore. AI isn’t a short Cut to look leaner.
I didn’t see him mention gyno, my bad.It’s typical for people to take low dose AI because they think they’ll hold less water when they are 20% BF and just fat. Which is a funny way of thinking from my POV that’s why I mentionned that, that’s all. Do you have a little grudge against me Mr renew?Gyno.
LOL.I didn’t see him mention gyno, my bad.It’s typical for people to take low dose AI because they think they’ll hold less water when they are 20% BF and just fat. Which is a funny way of thinking from my POV that’s why I mentionned that, that’s all. Do you have a little grudge against me Mr renew?
The dude that helps me plan my cycles and stuff went fuckin off on me for running 25mg if exem eod. We’ve figure out what generally works well for me now but man so AIs **** you up if you aren’t careful. We got in to it cause my dick stopped working for a while but we adjusted stuff and found a good dose that keeps my estrogen down without bombing it.LOL.
Absolutely not, Brother! I enjoy seeing your comments.
It was just a brief comment to get you up to speed, right after I got up.
I didn't get home until almost 4:00am, and I'm getting ready now to get back at it. ..You should come along.
But, yeah....I agree with what you said. Lately I've been promoting less of a usage of AIs. So many newer guys don't seem to really understand about how and why to use AIs, and when not to.
(He didn't mention gyno in the original post).
I've talked to so many guys recently who've dug themselves into a hole, from slamming AIs. It almost seems like a trend.The dude that helps me plan my cycles and stuff went fuckin off on me for running 25mg if exem eod. We’ve figure out what generally works well for me now but man so AIs **** you up if you aren’t careful. We got in to it cause my dick stopped working for a while but we adjusted stuff and found a good dose that keeps my estrogen down without bombing it.
Just takes time
Oh I’ve had it straightened out for a while now, it’s always a bit of a guessing game when starting up a cycle though since I’m so gyno prone. Op will probably be in the same boat as me.I've talked to so many guys recently who've dug themselves into a hole, from slamming AIs. It almost seems like a trend.
I'm glad you're getting it straightened out, man.
Calm down lol, it's not that black and white. Keeping estrogen in range is important too. If your on a gram of test your most likely going to need a ai. And controlling estrogen is fine and won't hinder growth. Absolutely killing it is a terrible idea tho. Aside from the gains it will kill your dick too. To the op, don't just take a ai for the sake of taking one if your estrogen is not out of control. I like to keep mine in the high normal range but unless you have had blood work before your not going to know what that is. My suggestion to you if u don't have bloods to go by is don't use a ai unless u have high estrogen sidesYes why the **** would u do that estrogen is needed for growth and if u crash if ur dick won’t work and you’ll have anxiety and depression
why tf would u even consider that
When i was on aromasin i felt stronger and was hitting PR's. Felt really anabolic.What is your reason for wanting to lower estrogen?
Just got some Ralox yesterday.Just get some Ralox lol it’ll work better I promise
I think it was a coincidence, more estrogen usually=more strength. As far as I know there's nothing about aromasin that increases strengthWhen i was on aromasin i felt stronger and was hitting PR's. Felt really anabolic.
Exactly, it is just the mental component of i guess higher free test : e2 ratios.I think it was a coincidence, more estrogen usually=more strength. As far as I know there's nothing about aromasin that increases strength
I've yet to experience libido problem on gear with or without a ai. I've never crashed estrogen but I have had it high on paper with no noticable problems.Exactly, it is just the mental component of i guess higher free test : e2 ratios.
Higher estro usually means more gains yes. However, as much as i dislike ai's, i feel better when taking one.
Aggression in the gym is better and overall mood is fantastic. Also, i get morning wood if i use an ai and dont get it if i dont use some aromasin (libido follows, no ai= no/low libido, ai = fantastic libido)
But i still prefer not to use one as my lipid profile doesnt look good if i regularly use an ai. Also, strength and mass gains suffer if you go hard on the ai, you get flat too.
Same for me. we are just on the lucky side. My E could be 15 or 140 and my dick would be the same.I've yet to experience libido problem on gear with or without a ai. I've never crashed estrogen but I have had it high on paper with no noticable problems.
Yes CroLifter. We're the same. Im able to lift more on AI's, but feel flat. I cant wait till my estrogen comes back up to see if i feel fuller.Exactly, it is just the mental component of i guess higher free test : e2 ratios.
Higher estro usually means more gains yes. However, as much as i dislike ai's, i feel better when taking one.
Aggression in the gym is better and overall mood is fantastic. Also, i get morning wood if i use an ai and dont get it if i dont use some aromasin (libido follows, no ai= no/low libido, ai = fantastic libido)
But i still prefer not to use one as my lipid profile doesnt look good if i regularly use an ai. Also, strength and mass gains suffer if you go hard on the ai, you get flat too.
I mean i am not stronger with an ai, i just feel waaaaay better. Gains are a little bit better without an ai for me.Yes CroLifter. We're the same. Im able to lift more on AI's, but feel flat. I cant wait till my estrogen comes back up to see if i feel fuller.
It's because everyone sees something on the internet and they start preaching it as a fact. It happens with everything. I've done it myself when I was younger. Now a days I take everything with a grain of salt and just do what I think works best for meCrazy how everyone went full 180 on AIs. Not even a year ago everyone was clambering for the latest innovative way to reduce estrogen and now there are posts encouraging to drive it high. Personally, I don't care about any opinions or "studies", I find that I feel best with it maintained in the middle of the range.
people go south to north drastically and don’t really get the difference between keeping your estrogen high (top range or a little out of range 60-70ish is good for gains and other benefits ) and just flat out no AI BeCAuSe EStrOgEn is GooD and end up with 160 but just because they don’t have gyno or other sides they believe it’s healthy and good for gains.Crazy how everyone went full 180 on AIs. Not even a year ago everyone was clambering for the latest innovative way to reduce estrogen and now there are posts encouraging to drive it high. Personally, I don't care about any opinions or "studies", I find that I feel best with it maintained in the middle of the range.
Maybe, I don't know about its effectiveness, but some OTC AIs can be very potent. Flavozole can kill your estrogen if dosed high, for example.Will Letrone be okay? Its the atractylodes macrocephala plant. I dont think it will be nearly as strong as a pharma AI. And probably no side effects. Im looking for the anabolic effects Aromasin gave me.
fortunately 'most' people get wiser as they get older....It's because everyone sees something on the internet and they start preaching it as a fact. It happens with everything. I've done it myself when I was younger. Now a days I take everything with a grain of salt and just do what I think works best for me
In the past week I've seen a number of comments that included, "everyone said". But I can tell you that in each of those circumstances I wasn't part of "everyone".Crazy how everyone went full 180 on AIs. Not even a year ago everyone was clambering for the latest innovative way to reduce estrogen and now there are posts encouraging to drive it high. Personally, I don't care about any opinions or "studies", I find that I feel best with it maintained in the middle of the range.
Yeah but AIs are bad for your health... iTs BETtER tO bE iN the 150+ eSTrOgEN RANgE... like high estrogen wasn’t super nasty for general heart health.In the past week I've seen a number of comments that included, "everyone said". But I can tell you that in each of those circumstances I wasn't part of "everyone".
LOL. I generally let mine float a little higher than most. But 150+ = WOW.Yeah but AIs are bad for your health... iTs BETtER tO bE iN the 150+ eSTrOgEN RANgE... like high estrogen wasn’t super nasty for general heart health.
Ive learned recently that I feel great a bit higher and even a little out of range so I certainly agree with you. I just think people go 0 to 100 on things... people are stopping any AIs now and as long as they don’t have gyno or sides they think it’s okay whatever the E is and I think it’s a very dangerous idea that’s spreading around lately.LOL. I generally let mine float a little higher than most. But 150+ = WOW.
I never needed a ai till like 750mg test but ever since my last td trest run, which was only 30mg a day. It screwed something up and now I need it over 300mg or so. Nipples stay a little puffy and tender if I dontI need an AI if I bump my test up to 300mg a week. Just how it be sometimes
I creased receptor count from the treat, probably prolactin receptorsI never needed a ai till like 750mg test but ever since my last td trest run, which was only 30mg a day. It screwed something up and now I need it over 300mg or so. Nipples stay a little puffy and tender if I dont
Maybe I should get something like inhibit p and see if it changes anythingI creased receptor count from the treat, probably prolactin receptors
Nah receptor count is a perm thing. That’s why once you have gyno it’s super easy to get It backMaybe I should get something like inhibit p and see if it changes anything
Well that sucks, luckily it's not gone past puffy and sensitivity, no lumps or nothingNah receptor count is a perm thing. That’s why once you have gyno it’s super easy to get It back
since i'm older than most here prostate health is a real concern for me...recently I've been hearing that estrogen could be more of a risk than dht for developing prostate issues. some researchers are looking at serms as alternative to anti-androgen treatment for prostate issues.Yeah but AIs are bad for your health... iTs BETtER tO bE iN the 150+ eSTrOgEN RANgE... like high estrogen wasn’t super nasty for general heart health.
SERMs block Estrogen receptors at the prostate?since i'm older than most here prostate health is a real concern for me...recently I've been hearing that estrogen could be more of a risk than dht for developing prostate issues. some researchers are looking at serms as alternative to anti-androgen treatment for prostate issues.
100% agree with you. High estrogen (probably way out of range) is horrible for the heart and I’ve read too that it’s putting an excessive stress on the prostate. I’m testing right now where the limit is tho, at least for me. I’m trying to stay within 60-80 and so far it seems beneficial.since i'm older than most here prostate health is a real concern for me...recently I've been hearing that estrogen could be more of a risk than dht for developing prostate issues. some researchers are looking at serms as alternative to anti-androgen treatment for prostate issues.
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