AI with Ostarine?

Lulu2383

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Story below, stats first:

Age: 34
Height: 5"6
Weight: 163
BF: 15%
Years of training: 10+ years
Cycle History: None
Current cycle: 25ml ED of Ostarine (mk-2866) for 12 weeks, currently week 3.
Tongat Ali weeks 9-12
Will do a pct if clomid weeks 13-16 50/25/25/25
Will also add vitamin c and tumeric.

Goals: Get down to less than 10% BF
Supplements: multi, pycnogenol, fish oil, protein, pre workout
General idea of nutrition: 140G Protein, 100-150G Carbs (depending if I workout) 70FAT


Blood work (week 2 of Sarm)
Prolactin: 5.7
Testosterone, Serum: 214
LH: 3.6
FSH: 2.4
Estradiol: 16.3

Lipid Panel With LDL/HDL Ratio
Cholesterol, Total 137
Triglycerides 56
HDL Cholesterol 32 LOW
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 11
LDL Cholesterol Calc 94
LDL/HDL Ratio 2.9

Week 1 I felt a little dull feeling in my nipples, still kind of feel it, based on my numbers another forum to me not to worry.

Would it hurt to add an AI during this cycle? Could it help as precaution for gyno?

What and how much and how long?

My good cholesterol is also low, could be why the low test, could that be the cause of the feeling in my nips? I've added MCT oil and more almonds into my diet.

I will be doing another blood week 6 and week 12.

Other notes: Deadlift is up, nutrition and workouts and sucked until this week, will be on point from here.

Thanks for the advice.
 
Dude always have an AI on hand regardless. Ostarine doesn't really require one itself but they're good to have. I have had worse numbers than that for estradiol with out the tingling nips. Never get prolactin checked but if it's inside of the reference range you should be ok.

My personal opinion is your not going to **** it up by adding exemestane for a few days and see if you feel better. I think others might disagree.

Other option is use your serm now for a few days and see what happens. You have a SERM about for PCT?
 
Oh and the low test might be some suppression. But my normal numbers are like 320 @ 33yo. So depends on you. Do you have any before cycle bloods to compare with?
 
Have an ai on hand and only use if high estrogen sides occur. Don't kill estrogen unnecessarily, it's actually good stuff
 
I have clomid on hand and was thinking on getting on aromasin, thoughts?

Was thinking of doing aromasin EOD.

That's based on what I've read, first cycle so really have no idea.

Thanks.
 
This is my first blood test ever, and it was a week into my cycle.

My question is should I do the AI or something else if I'm getting that feeling in my nips?

Should I do what the PCT article suggests in regards to on cycle gyno protection?

I guess when do I know if it's needed?
 
If your nips are itching or puffy then pull the trigger, just don't set it to fully automatic.

It's like this, ostarine isn't converting on its own to estrogen, but you're going to zap the enzyme responsible for creating it either way because your having classic effects of potentially high e. Since the drug itself isn't the issue, but rather effects it's having on your body, you need to make sure not to over do it.

Some stuff is strange, epistane doesn't convert either and about 2 months after PCT I had to bring up my AI from the basement for a few days as I started to have a huge rebound. It's just some stuff is known to screw with your system in non intuitive ways. Hormones be like not happy with what your doing.

If it's exemestane I'd start with like 7mg EOD. If it's arimidex maybe .25? Guys that sounds like a good starting point?
 
Ive used Osta twice from 2 different companies and definitely felt it caused estrogen sides.
Running a low dose AI or a High Dose of EpiAndro will help offset.
 
Updates:

Nipple feeling minimal, entering week 4 of Ostarine.

BUT, my libido is down, and had sex earlier this week, about 90% hard.

Had sex last night, about 80% hard.

Morning wood good.

Nuts a little achy at times during the day.

I've read people will run something like tongat to get test up?

Or are we still thing an AI?

Thanks all!
 
You can't boost test while using exogenous hormones, not how the hpta works. Grab some cialis and you will get the lead back in your pencil
 
Lulu2383 said:
Otherwise no concerns?

Can I still build muscle if my test is suppressed?
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Yes you can still build muscle.

And no other concerns in addition to the regular ph/sarm possible sides.
 
Hey guys, just wanted to get your opinions. So im planning on running my first sarms cycle. Will be using ostarine mk2866 at 20mg a day for a 6-8 week cut, with the aim of holding onto as much muscle as i possibly can. Ive done abit of research on this particular sarm, so im actually hoping i wont lose much muscle, if any at all. Not so much worried about gaining mass as ill be in a caloric deficit anyways and i very much doubt ill gain any size whilsts eating like that, even with the ostarine. Fat loss is my primary goal here.

Im quite aware of the negative side effects that this sarm can potentially cause like mild test supression and gyno So i plan on simultaneously using an AI to help keep my estrogen levels relatively in check, cos **** bitch tits lol. So i will be taking ‘vmi sports arimistane’ along side the ostarine for the first month.
Then i will be taking ‘pni testovol’ (which also contains arimistane and daa) mainly for the arimistane side of things, alongside the sarms for the second month,
and for three weeks after that, as a mini pct i will be taking ‘prime-T’ test booster as ive seen/heard that nolva and clomid might be abit overkill for this sarm as its nowhere near as supressive as actual gear, so a test booster might be enough. But im very open to your opinions guys cos i wanna make sure i do this right and not **** it up, so please chime in if you think im wrong about anything??

So basicly my cycle will look like this...



Week 1-4
20mg ostarine with ‘vmi sports arimistane’


Week 5-8
20mg ostarine with ‘pni testovol’ (also containing arimistane and daa)


Week 9-11 (pct month)
‘Prime-T’
to kickstart natural test production again



Pls let me know how this looks guys/ let me know if anything looks off. Your opinions are greatly appreciated. Its my first sarms cycle so i’m just trying to 100% make sure i get everything right. Ive also attached links to all the stuff ill actually be using just to give a better insight of my cycle and so you guys can tell me if im headed in the right direction.


Thanks
 
Your intentions are good but lets be honest, unless you are monitoring e2 levels via bloods, how do you know you will be keeping e2 "in check"? You wont. Youll be assuming your e2 levels will be out of range and requiring an AI. Which ostarine is unlikely to do.

Id definitely recommend having a pharma grade AI on hand, but until you actually start your cycle youll have no idea if youll actually need to use it. Thats the gamble we all sign up to when we decide to use this stuff. Cos you really dont want to unnecessarily drop e2 levels, either.
 
I mean you'd have to be the most sensitive person in this world if you get gyno from something like ostarine at a low to average dosage. I'd say it's on the verge of being impossible. What's way more likely is that you'll crush your estrogen with an ai.
 
^^^ exactly

So much misinformation in this thread...

If your e2 is at 16 you do not have an estrogen problem lol!!! estrogen at 16 is very low, to low actually. You ideally want to be in the 20 - 25 range.

Ostarine will suppress your natural test production and this will lead to suppressed estrogen. Like OP had. Do not use an Ai with it! If anybody is worried about gyno on Ostarine use Ralox or tamox.

Also Shonin__ get a serm for PCT! Tamox, torem or clomid.
 
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